GB: FC Bi-xenon HID Projector Headlights
 

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We all know that the stock headlights on the Rx-7 are vastly inadequate for driving at night. We finally decided to fix this problem once and for all. SakeBomb Garage is pleased to offer the first and only true 'pop-up' Bi-Xenon Projector HID kit for the FC.

If I send my money earlier than everyone else do I still need to wait for everyone else to submit their money before I can recieve my product?

As I realize some of you may not be completely familiar with the differences and advantages of projector vs reflector lights, and other important information, I thought I would make a quick post to try to answer some of the basic questions and educate people who may not already know this information, or know the terminology. This is a starting point, but I encourage you to look around for more information if you are curious. And by all means, please feel free to ask questions.


HID Lighting 101:
Other HID “kits” use the stock headlight housing in conjunction with a Xenon bulb. The plus side, they are unbelievably cheap. The negative side? Typically these setups:
-blind other drivers
-have a horrible field of view
-severely scatter the light
-have uneven lighting with no cutoff
-actually WORSEN your night vision (they throw intense light into the foreground (actually making your pupils close) causing your distance night-vision to become worse than with your stock halogen lights)

Projector HID's on the other hand are what is used in every OEM HID lighting setup. Our Projectors:
-Have a very even dispersion of light
-Have a very wide dispersion of light
-Have a very long throw (with high beams)
-Illuminate much larger portions of the road while not ruining your night vision
-Oh yeah, and they don't blind other drivers, or attract attention from people who may or may not drive Crown Victorias


While I don't want this thread to turn into a discussion thread I DO want to remove all of the confusion and misinformation floating around in regards to HIDs. This is a good source to start at http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...nversions.html

And there is a quick video which I also feel is worthwhile to watch for those that do not know much on the subject. Here's a link:
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And to end... a quick slide show I put together. As I said, I don't want this to turn into a discussion thread, however, I feel that it's worthwhile to take a little time to educate people on WHY we bothered to go through all the trouble to create this kit.

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(example of the same projectors on the FD)

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http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/w...0Shots/FC2.jpg

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yes for GB pricing. The reason we can get them down to $799 is because of leveraging the large quantity of orders. Non GB pricing (and I'm not sure if we will bother to stock them) would/will be somewhere around $950+

are these glass housings?

The front is, yes. And they are readily available if something ever happens to one of them.
-Heath

Can you show pics of the FC beam pattern? Or are they identical to the FD?
Also, estimated time to completion?

The interest thread lists NO FEE as the personal PayPal transaction... Where's that option?

Final question... Early in the interest thread I wanted two sets, one for the FC, one for another vehicle (Truck) that uses 6054 style headlights. I canceled that, as I'm not sure what truck I'll end up with.
You gonna keep the molds for future production or is this a one off production?
Just in case I get a truck that takes these style headlights.

Q1 - The FC beam pattern is identical to the FD beam pattern posted above. They use the exact same projectors and a clear housing... the only difference is the housing the projectors sit in (basically just a nice looking box for the projectors :D ).

Q2 - Estimated time to completion... here is a basic break down. After everyone has paid up for the GB we will order the parts. That should take 2 weeks (possibly slightly longer). Building/assembling them can take anywhere from 2-3 weeks (there is alot of work involved not only with the assembly but wiring, crimping weather pack connectors, etc etc). The sooner we get everyone who is still interested paid up, the sooner we can get the parts ordered. As my schedule is getting ever more busy, the earlier in the summer we get going on this the quicker we can turn them around and get them built and sent out to you guys. So really it's contingent on when the last payments come in. If anyone is out, please remove your name for the list so others are not waiting.

Q3 - We are technically not allowed to offer the "personal payment" option... paypal was sending us ongoing harassing emails, and threatening to cancel our ability to take personal payments on the account if we continued to get personal payments on this account. Reason being, they make no money, and they want your money. I'm not a big fan of paypal but it's a necessary evil as there are no other good options out there. We responded to them explaining that we have no control over what customers select when sending us a payment. So our position now is, we do not ask for personal paypal payments, although we also acknowledge that we have no control over what our customers select when sending us a payment ;) ;) :lol: .

Q4 - Personally I wouldnt buy these for a truck until you verify fitment w/ the set you already are getting, cause the projectors are quite deep.

For now, I hate to say have to back out. Really want, but the funds just aren't there. Forked out alot recently at a local rotary shop.

If this takes a while to kick start, could see me back in but for now just write me off.

Will these be available in the future or is this the only run?

Only run for now... at the moment there seems like there is barely enough interest to run this one.

Payment Sent

Will post a 50% deposit next week, if that will fly with you!

I'm still good for the group buy. But I have one request.

Can you show picture/vid of how the light shows against the wall on High Beam as well as the low beam? I'm assuming this kit is a Hi/Lo set up.

If not Hi/Lo, then perhaps supplimental driving lights making essentially a 4 light headlight set up. That is how my set up is right now.

Gotta wait for the paycheck on Thursday...

That's fine with me, it's understandable if you don't have the full payment to put down that far in advance :)

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back roads (I think this is actually only one

Not the best pictures, I need to find a better place to take comparison pics. This is the same beam pattern the FC projector will have. Also note that the headlights were not completely aimed in these two pics.

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low

http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/w..._0753Large.jpg
high

http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/w...o/IMG_1005.jpg
high, back roads

I would NOT want to be driving the car that pisses off someone with these headlights.

It's got Hi and low beam... that's what bi-xenon means. There is no need for a 4 light setup, and actually by doing a 4 light setup you have worse light output. Send me a PM if you want to know more, or look through the FD HID GB thread. There is lots of information in that thread. Long story short, I can't think of a single lighting setup that will perform better than this. Typically setups like this sell for over $1K :icon_tup:

GB List:
1. BurntOrangeT2
2. Fonzi581
3. Pele
4. Akagis_White_Comet
5. Hozzmanrx7
6. MaczPayne
7. lemursama
8. FC3S1991
9. RX710thAE
10. therealmogwai
11. Yodichkas - PAID
12. Archangels
13. cone_crushr
14. KidA
15. 87TIIFC
16._crazy_crazy_
17. MadScience_7
18.
19.
20.

I'm out, sorry guys

hopefully my paycheck on friday will be enough to put down a 50% downpayment, but i might be late on the second payment, i owe money in too many places but i want these lights soo badly.

I would prefer the OEM phillips bulb myself. There is no need to spend all this money and not get the best bulb possible. I will hopefully have all my money in 2 weeks.

I don't understand what the video has to do with the product your selling. It compares a standard OEM headlamp housing with standard OEM bulbs to an OEM headlamp housing with Xenon bulbs.

The slideshow looks to compare the same but shows a picture of an H.I.D. bulb which has nothing to do with a projector housing or standard housing as the bulbs can be used in both housing and are used in both housing from the manufacturer in OEM applications.

Is this product a full H.I.D conversion kit with a projector headlamp housing, H.I.D. bulbs & Ballast boxes? Or is it just the projector housings?.

What does the video comparing Xenon bulbs to non Xenon bulbs in OEM housing have to do with this product your selling?

I understand beam pattern is related to the headlamp housing but when a manufacturer uses Xenon bulbs they don't always use projector headlamp housings and most H.I.D. equipped cars do not use a projector style headlamp housing and instead use a deflector in front of the bulb which I believe if you did not have sealed headlamps you can buy a kit that comes with the deflector.

I am asking this because the video speaks of a Xenon conversion in which I assume they are talking about these
http://www.productwiki.com/upload/im...enon_bulbs.jpg
and not a true H.I.D. conversion

Sorry, I thought it would be self explanatory, but I'm happy to answer any and all questions. :)

VIDEO: The video (which basically explains the downsides of the $75 HID "conversion kits") is there to justify why we bothered to make this setup. We all realize that any projector-HID setup is expensive, but unfortunately (as the video shows) the projector setups are the only viable, safe, and quality lighting option available. There is nothing available which actually makes your headlights better, aside from a projector setup. Just because the h4 conversion kits "say" HID, doesn't tell the whole story, and that video is there to explain why. The other so called HID conversion "kits" are dangerous and offer S*@$% lighting. So thats the video... just there for background knowledge as I encourage people to shop around and educate themselves about the various other options, or lack there of.




SLIDESHOW: The bulb in the slideshow is what you get in a $75 HID "coversion kit". The slideshow compares projector (our setup with d2s bulbs) vs reflector (the setup you saw in the video) both using HID technology bulbs. Again, this is here to educate people on the differences between the two types of HID lighting, and explain the benefits/disadvantages.


Yes, it is all of that and more :) . If you read the big orange text it explains everything included in the kit. This is the entire plug-and-play setup.
-The projectors (built by us) as a unit sealed inside the housings which will fit in your car (these projectors are HI/LO)
-OEM philips bulbs used in everything from mercedes to jaguar (or for $40 off for cheaper bulbs)
-OEM power consumption 35w (high end) morimoto ballasts
-Wiring harness which has special relays and power leads that allow this setup to be adapted to your car.

educational purposes only, explaining why going with a route other than projectors for an "upgrade" is a mistake.


You are talking about D2R HID's. Yes, cheap OEM HID's (such as that found on the prius for example) use special HID's with a shield on them and reflect the light off of the back of the housing. Why is this done? It's cheap. The light output is quite poor, but the manufacturer in this case can offer "HID Lights" with their new car for a fraction of the cost. It's a cost saving measure, and the light output is not great. Now, it's kinda a moot point anyway, because the reflector housing must be designed SPECIFICALLY for the d2r bulb, so it's not something you can then retroactively install in a housing that was not built to focus the d2r beam. Either way, it's a crappy lighting system.... if you notice the prius (just using them as an example) the light is a solid blue/white instead of the color flicker which results from the optics in a projector setup, has a poor cutoff because there is no internal shield to define the cutoff as compared to a projector, and has uneven and narrow beam dispersion compared to the projector. Projectors are hands down the best, and that is why we are offering them.

No, that's a halogen bulb. The video is talking about the differences between those (which are what is used stock), and a "retrofit HID bulb" which *IS* an HID bulb... however it is fitted on the halogen bulb base. This is why the beam pattern is all screwed up. This crazy scheme was invented by companies who wanted to turn a buck by offering you "real HID lights, that fit your car as is, with no modifications" . Sound too good to be true? It is. The re-based HID bulbs can not be properly focused in the halogen-housing, which creates horrible light output, blinds other drivers, and is generally just crap. The components they use in these kits are also absolute GARBAGE... but hey for $75 dollars what do you expect :lol:



Long story short, if you want modern day lighting you MUST use HID projectors (and high quality ones). Unfortunately they are not cheap, but in this case you get what you pay for. I'll post up some quotes from other members currently running these lights in their FD. The general consensus has been "once you use these you can never go back to anything else", "they are worth every penny" , and "they make driving at night enjoyable and confidence inspiring" .

Mark me down as interested w/ D2S bulb. Hope people come through, these look nice.
I should have the PayPal next week but I may do 50% to see where this goes.

GB List:
1. BurntOrangeT2
2. Fonzi581
3. Pele
4. Akagis_White_Comet
5. Hozzmanrx7
6. MaczPayne
7. lemursama
8. FC3S1991
9. RX710thAE
10. therealmogwai
11. Yodichkas - PAID
12. Archangels
13. cone_crushr
14. KidA
15. 87TIIFC
16._crazy_crazy_
17. MadScience_7
18. fspos (d2s)
19.
20.

Sent.

Come on guys, lets make this happen. :)

They are all d2s bulbs :D We only use OEM or OEM quality parts in this kit. The philips bulbs are actual OEM bulbs used on mercedes, lexus, jag, etc. This setup can't be beat, and I happily stand behind that.

hustlin to try and get this money guys

http://www.norcalmr2.com/pegasus/


Just sayin....

Those are the $69 ebay "angel eye" projectors. They're made by HID Lighting Co. Ltd. of Hong Kong, and they're absolute pieces of crap.

I've seen those installed on a couple of cars and they look like garbage and the light output is garbage. They show you pictures of the cutoff up against a flat wall, but it's a long exposure photo that's been retouched to make it look nicer/brighter than in real life.

Also they don't use OEM quality bulbs or ballasts - just cheapo made in china parts. The wiring is crap, and the connectors are worse. I've seen numerous complains posted online about bulbs/ballasts going dead within only a few weeks after installing these.

Honestly, don't bother with those cheapo kits. You'll be kicking yourself in the end.

The SakeBomb kit is 1000% better quality and better light output. I'm making this statement after seeing both setups in person.

While this all may be very true, I was just trying to figure out where the additional 500 dollars you're charging, over this kit, is going.

I think we have all seen threads about retrofits with the cheap ebay housings along with nicer projectors from The Retrofit Source. That route is fairly cheaper at about 350, half the cost you are asking.

I'm not trying to compare what you are making to what someone is making in their garage with jb weld and a dremel, but just trying to figure out why the cost is so high.

I would, as well as a few people I'm sure, consider these projectors a WHOLE lot more if the cost was about 500. I would only pay the cost you are asking if they were DOT certified and legal in 50 states. I feel like this kit is being offered to those who have a ton of money to throw at their car, but lack basic fundamental skills like ingenuity and the ability to try to create something that HASN'T been documented the same way on a forum 498573985 times.

I am impressed with your product, do not get me wrong. I think it's pretty sexy and I really like the light output. What made you chose to keep the chrome in the headlight? NO light is reflecting off of the chrome, and it's really pointless...

^ try making a set yourself and you'll understand.

there is a shit-ton of labor involved in producing these. i've seen the step-by-step process and honestly, i would never want to do it myself.

once again you're still forgetting about the difference in quality. look at those other kits: they use china projectors, china bulbs, china ballasts, china wires, china connectors. now look at the parts that come with the sakebomb kit: there is no comparison. of course the nicer parts are going to cost more!

materials aside....come on, do you think sakebomb is going to put in all this time and effort to produce a kit and NOT MAKE ANY MONEY OFF IT? of course they are going to charge something - it's a lot of work to produce those kits and run the business. furthermore, these guys re-invest a lot of the profits into new product development. they're not greedy bastards trying to make a quick buck.

dude, wake up. call RE-Amemiya and ask them how much they spend on materials to make a part, and then ask them how much they sell the part for. obviously you can't, but really, think about it.

people pay more when they don't DIY for a reason: they are getting a plug & play ready to go kit, with support, warranty, etc.

if you want to DIY, go for it. but if you want to save yourself time and energy, and not have to worry about the quality of your work or the seal on the headlights or the wiring connections, etc. then feel free to buy their kit. :D

it's silly to act like they're somehow ripping people off. like i said, i've seen the kit, i've seen the build process, i've seen the materials, and i've seen the final product in action: people are getting an awesome setup for an awesome price. you can complain all day that the price is too much, but in reality you have three options if you want this setup: buy it from sakebomb, attempt to DIY, or don't get the kit.

---edit---

obviously there is no point arguing with this guy, check out his "-1" iTrader feedback:
https://www.rx7club.com/itrader.php?u=125855

yeah, he sure knows about business/selling stuff. :lol:

Why do people put carbon fiber accents on their cars? Why does the new Camaro SS come with a non functional hood vent? Why does 350z headlights have chrome in them when they use projectors? Everything I listed above are pointless, but yet automotive manufactures still include them on their cars.

If you paint the housing a different color then you have to deal with the paint potentially scratching off, and the chrome gives the headlight a factory appearance. You're just nit picking now.

BTW, the headlights in the link you posted also has a chrome housing.

They do, but I figure for the price that is asked, I should at LEAST be able to choose what color my housings are =]

There is no point in stating "Well since someone else charges huge amounts of money over how much they actually buy the parts for, everyone can do that!"

"call RE-Amemiya and ask them how much they spend on materials to make a part, and then ask them how much they sell the part for. obviously you can't, but really, think about it."


I'm not trying to knock and I'm also not looking for what other brands/companies/people do with their pricing. I'm just trying to understand what makes this kit this much, especially for something that isn't DOT. I haven't once said it is a rip off, I just have a few questions...

Its like asking someone who has a car with torque, where they got the torque... I would be glad to break down my ls1 set up for anyone who is interested and list every detail of it. Especially when I am trying to help someone come to a decision. Yes, there are people who half-ass the swap for cheap and it is constantly breaking. However, there are those that do it right.

"if you want to DIY, go for it. but if you want to save yourself time and energy"
Time and energy IS MONEY. So if I get to spend a few days off making something better and cheaper, then where is my loss? =]

Well that's part of the reason why we don't make FC parts, and this may very well be our first and last experience w/ the FC community. We are not in the business of marking up cheap/junk parts and reselling them at a profit to unsuspecting kids. We make quality parts, no holds barred, with the best performance available. (just look at our oil cooler kits for example... only top shelf components all the way across, and CHEAPER than the competition which sells you less quality for more). We were weary (and still are) of making FC parts because FC owners (in general) have MUCH less money to spend on their cars than FD owners.

I'm not trying to hate on FC owners, but it is what it is. You gotta pay to play. If you think your car is cheap and dont want to drop decent money on it... DONT. It's that simple. We had 19 people sign up as wanting this setup, but so far have only received 2 full payments. With the FD guys we would have had most everyone fully paid up by now. This was my fear with getting involved with the FC crowd... people saying they want something but when the time comes to pay in they realize they can't. I don't have time for tire kickers and we're not here to "market" "push" or try to "up-sell" parts to anyone... we offer what we make and let people come to us if they want it.


It's called aesthetics :rolleyes:

Sorry, this isn't burger king... we make one thing, and we make one thing well. That's it. If you want something different, please look elsewhere.



Based on your question you obviously have not researched any of this :scratch:. Please do your research like we have. No modified lights can be DOT certified. Our beam pattern IS a DOT approved beam pattern, however in no instance can the lights be stamped DOT as there is a huge procedure and cost involved with that certification. The beam pattern IS however within DOT regulations, as compared to the lights you linked which would FAIL DOT. Again this is not a discussion thread but that's the quick answer. Please research the topic yourself.


First off that's a horrible analogy as most engine building shops wont share their porting templates for public use. This is because they spend a ton of time, research, and experimentation coming up with the final product... kinda like what we do with headlights :icon_tup: Maybe the analogy works after all. ;)

Your loss comes in when you do it wrong. :nod: Please remember that there are many steps that need to be done to make this work, which took many iterations of experimenting and templates to reproduce repeatedly. I won't go into them as I don't feel I have to defend my position... but it's apparent that you simply don't know what goes into making these lights based on the way you phrase your comments. By all means, go make your own lights... no one here is stopping you. Good luck.

If you want something made for you however, and you want cheap, poor performing, and ugly... please go elsewhere. I'm not sure what your goal is here cause you obviously have no interest in the setup. Please remember this is a group buy thread, and not a discussion thread. This thread is meant for people who are interested in buying the parts we produce, please take comments, criticism, links to other lights, etc elsewhere. I'm happy to talk about our stuff or debate pros and cons.... but here is not the place.

Thank you for your cooperation.
-Heath

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Glad to see you could be so hasty at your decision to judge whether the fact was that I was interested in the lights or not. I do have the money to do it right and I was very interested to see how you could handle my criticism; You're belittlement is not very becoming.

You shouldn't assume that someone is not interested due to criticism. I want positive feedback about the things I am talking about, not defensiveness. After all, I was about to shovel over 800 bucks.

You scour this forum for FC owners that want to spend money? Have you taken a look at the 2nd gen forum/subforums? Its just a bunch of mexicans asking why their cars won't start. There are forums for the finer FC bunch. This is not the place and please don't make such assumptions that there are no FC owners who wish to "do it right."

Feel free to have a mod delete all the discussion about these lights if you see fit and carry on with your group buy. I hope, for your sake, it goes well for you. I feel as though you might have a little better luck on other forums pertaining to our cars, even sites that promote No Rotors in the car.

i dont delete posts... im a very open and honest person :) and encourage discussion (just not this much directly in a GB thread). When have never scoured the forum for FC owners! I've never posted a single thread in the FC section, and the only reason the interest thread was even started was because of tons of emails from FC owners begging us to to a FC setup like the FD. Honestly, we are extremely active in the FD community but we are not out trying to market these lights (hence the lack of any sort of advertising or publicity on our part). Dan and I are too busy with FD stuff to try to find buyers on other sites for these lights... we're building these as a favor to the FC owners who requested them.

BTW I'm not mexican so I'm not personally offended but please leave any racial comments at the door...

We were asked to create this headlight kit by the FC community and we stated the pricing in the interest thread and received no complaints. Since the majority of our products are designed for the 3rd gen Rx-7 we do not frequent the other 2nd gen forums (yes I know no rotors is a v8 rx7 forum :) ) Your first post was not criticism, it was posted to get a response.

You're right time and energy is money and we've spent quite a bit of time just responding to your posts ;) There is no loss doing it yourself, we've stated a bunch of times that we support DIYers; but we have also come under the scrutiny of DIY people for our prices. A lot of time the R&D aspect of our products does not come into consideration. Retrofitting headlights takes a lot of time when done right so that's where the extra cost comes in; trust me we are not making anywhere near $500 on each kit we sell.

edit: i see heath has responded too.

Alright guys, points have been made on both sides.

Please keep discussion outside of the group buy thread.

If you feel like continuing this discussion, please make a thread elsewhere in the appropriate section.

Just posted my 50% Deposit, or close to it! Let me know if you require anything else. Let's get this train rolling!

wooo wooo! :D I'll get the payment list updated shortly.


To everyone on the list who has not yet responded in this thread or PMed me:

I'll also be sending another PM out to the other half of people on the list who have not yet responded either way. Out of the 18 people that were interested, only 8 have posted or contacted me back with a payment, intentions to pay, or deciding to drop out. We just need to know which category the other HALF of the people on the list are in. We usually have a 5% or so drop out rate with the FD guys between interest and GB with good communication from most if not all of the members... but as of now we already have 10% that have dropped out with over 50% simply not responding... I feel like I'm teaching community college :nono: :crzyeye: (no offense)

None taken!

i'm going to have to drop out, i dont have that kind of coin to throw around....

Boo. :(

Makes me wish I had flip ups again.... bah

Ok guys here is what we have so far. If you are on this list and DO NOT want a set of headlights please remove your name. We would like to get an accurate count of who is really interested.

GB List:
1. BurntOrangeT2 /
2. Fonzi581 /
3. Pele /
4. Akagis_White_Comet /
5. Hozzmanrx7 /
6. MaczPayne / (aftermarket bulbs) $380 deposit
7. lemursama /
8. FC3S1991 /
9. RX710thAE /
10. therealmogwai /
11. Yodichkas / PAID
12. cone_crushr /
13. KidA /
14. 87TIIFC /
15._crazy_crazy_ /
16. MadScience_7 / PAID
17. fspos /

Thanks,
Dan

GB List:
1. BurntOrangeT2 /
2. Fonzi581 /
3. Pele /
4. Akagis_White_Comet /
5. Hozzmanrx7 /
6. MaczPayne / (aftermarket bulbs) $380 deposit
7. lemursama /
8. FC3S1991 /
9. RX710thAE /
10. therealmogwai /
11. Yodichkas / PAID
12. cone_crushr /
13. KidA /
14. 87TIIFC /
15._crazy_crazy_ /
16. MadScience_7 / PAID
17. fspos /
18. Tanj!/

Also interested in the Miata light for the FB even with the fitting issue. Have some questions about that though in the interest thread.

Hopefully I answered the questions you had in the other thread. I'm taking your name off of the current list as this GB is for FC lights only. The miata project is currently on hold as we have too many things going on at the moment to do them all at the same time.

1. BurntOrangeT2 /
2. Fonzi581 /
3. Pele /
4. Akagis_White_Comet /
5. Hozzmanrx7 /
6. MaczPayne / (aftermarket bulbs) $380 deposit
7. lemursama /
8. FC3S1991 /
9. RX710thAE /
10. therealmogwai /
11. Yodichkas / PAID
12. cone_crushr /
13. KidA /
14. 87TIIFC /
15._crazy_crazy_ /
16. MadScience_7 / PAID
17. fspos /
18.

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Keep pestering them, Heath! :)

I really try not to make excuses. But if at the moment I wasn't between jobs I would get these, I'm about 80% sure of that. Anyway do not break the mold. I'll pay the full price later (can't say when but hopefully within the year) since I'm going to miss this GB.