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05-22-07, 11:38 PM
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Mustangs and camaros are cheaper, and a lotus replica can be incredibly inexpensive.
The 4G63 comment wasn't directed towards you, i'm just saying that about mitsubishi, i just generally don't like anything they make.
And honestly, with a rebuilt ported engine and a bnr stage 2 or 3 you could (probably) run 12s and i wouldn't cost that much at all.
The 4G63 comment wasn't directed towards you, i'm just saying that about mitsubishi, i just generally don't like anything they make.
And honestly, with a rebuilt ported engine and a bnr stage 2 or 3 you could (probably) run 12s and i wouldn't cost that much at all.
05-23-07, 05:50 PM
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Have had both and I'll stick with the rotary for stock applications and with the V8 for reliable power with a broad torque band for racing.
05-23-07, 11:34 PM
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You're dumber, you didn't contribute any to this thread, at all.
Well you probably shouldn't be romping on and redlining a 500HP FC on the streets anyway, it's much easier to control a car in the rain or snow when it doesn't have a shitload of torque everywhere.
I don't see why you all are constantly finicking with cars and having heat soak issues, people here locally don't have to worry about messing with their cars everyday. Turbo or not. Those who have a solid set up also don't have to rebuild constantly.
Ask most engine builders, at least those around here, don't have to constantly rebuild their engine, because they do **** right the first time. Maybe those of you with these issues, just have alot of bad luck.
Because we don't want one of those crappy-looking cars that handles poorly and weighs a lot more than ours do. We DO like the RX-7 and all the body/handling/styling it provides. Unfortunately, those of us who have had enough of rebuilds, constant finicking with the engine, heat soak issues, oil injection, etc, have decided to go with something that we can actually enjoy and spend time with the car, not having to work on the car because of problems. Oh yeah...don't forget more torque stock than a moderately to highly boosted rotary with plenty of room for upgrades and a torque curve for most of the powerband, not just a single massive peak making street driving scary at best.
Have had both and I'll stick with the rotary for stock applications and with the V8 for reliable power with a broad torque band for racing.
Have had both and I'll stick with the rotary for stock applications and with the V8 for reliable power with a broad torque band for racing.
I don't see why you all are constantly finicking with cars and having heat soak issues, people here locally don't have to worry about messing with their cars everyday. Turbo or not. Those who have a solid set up also don't have to rebuild constantly.
Ask most engine builders, at least those around here, don't have to constantly rebuild their engine, because they do **** right the first time. Maybe those of you with these issues, just have alot of bad luck.
05-24-07, 12:34 AM
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Lol, get a job dude.
There is no reason NOT to romp on a 500hp FC on the street when it is powered by pistons. All the acceleration, none of the unpredictability.
To the original poster: V8 swaps own. The real talented RX7 owners see the dead horse that they've been beating and decide to put their efforts where they will bring more than just short term returns... 12s, all motor, on 87 octane.... sounds pretty good, doesn't it?
There is no reason NOT to romp on a 500hp FC on the street when it is powered by pistons. All the acceleration, none of the unpredictability.
To the original poster: V8 swaps own. The real talented RX7 owners see the dead horse that they've been beating and decide to put their efforts where they will bring more than just short term returns... 12s, all motor, on 87 octane.... sounds pretty good, doesn't it?
05-24-07, 10:27 PM
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You all are arguing with a 19 year old who knows everything....one day he will see the light when he goes to check his bank account when its time to rebuild the rotary AGAIN
05-25-07, 03:09 PM
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Lol, get a job dude.
There is no reason NOT to romp on a 500hp FC on the street when it is powered by pistons. All the acceleration, none of the unpredictability.
To the original poster: V8 swaps own. The real talented RX7 owners see the dead horse that they've been beating and decide to put their efforts where they will bring more than just short term returns... 12s, all motor, on 87 octane.... sounds pretty good, doesn't it?
There is no reason NOT to romp on a 500hp FC on the street when it is powered by pistons. All the acceleration, none of the unpredictability.
To the original poster: V8 swaps own. The real talented RX7 owners see the dead horse that they've been beating and decide to put their efforts where they will bring more than just short term returns... 12s, all motor, on 87 octane.... sounds pretty good, doesn't it?
Rotaries are certainly good for applications staying within or near their original design - yes more boost and larger ports make more power but at the cost of what life expectancy and how peaky is the power band? Consider what reliable power level you want to achieve. Again, rotaries are good for 250-350, maybe 400HP, right?...however the amount of effort it takes to get them there and reliably maintain them takes a special amount of attention. V8's don't require nearly the attentiveness and already make considerably more power, and substantially more torque stock... and a broad torque curve makes street and track driving loads of fun.
Don't act like the rotary is your personal engine design and you're all offended when others don't like it. It's a piece of engineering that was certainly interesting and unique but just doesn't work very well for a number of reasons. Any engineer worth their degree knows just because they designed something doesn't mean there isn't something better out there and the mark of a professional is to walk away from it. Learn from it... but walk.
If you so choose to continue to spend time with this platform that's your perogitive, but it is not the best option to choose from for an overall enjoyable package.
05-25-07, 04:12 PM
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Heck, there's no reason not to romp on a 1000hp car on the street for that matter.
Rotaries are certainly good for applications staying within or near their original design - yes more boost and larger ports make more power but at the cost of what life expectancy and how peaky is the power band? Consider what reliable power level you want to achieve. Again, rotaries are good for 250-350, maybe 400HP, right?...however the amount of effort it takes to get them there and reliably maintain them takes a special amount of attention. V8's don't require nearly the attentiveness and already make considerably more power, and substantially more torque stock... and a broad torque curve makes street and track driving loads of fun.
Don't act like the rotary is your personal engine design and you're all offended when others don't like it. It's a piece of engineering that was certainly interesting and unique but just doesn't work very well for a number of reasons. Any engineer worth their degree knows just because they designed something doesn't mean there isn't something better out there and the mark of a professional is to walk away from it. Learn from it... but walk.
If you so choose to continue to spend time with this platform that's your perogitive, but it is not the best option to choose from for an overall enjoyable package.
Rotaries are certainly good for applications staying within or near their original design - yes more boost and larger ports make more power but at the cost of what life expectancy and how peaky is the power band? Consider what reliable power level you want to achieve. Again, rotaries are good for 250-350, maybe 400HP, right?...however the amount of effort it takes to get them there and reliably maintain them takes a special amount of attention. V8's don't require nearly the attentiveness and already make considerably more power, and substantially more torque stock... and a broad torque curve makes street and track driving loads of fun.
Don't act like the rotary is your personal engine design and you're all offended when others don't like it. It's a piece of engineering that was certainly interesting and unique but just doesn't work very well for a number of reasons. Any engineer worth their degree knows just because they designed something doesn't mean there isn't something better out there and the mark of a professional is to walk away from it. Learn from it... but walk.
If you so choose to continue to spend time with this platform that's your perogitive, but it is not the best option to choose from for an overall enjoyable package.
Did you just say peaky powerband and rotary in the same sentance? Too funny...
My rotary is definitely only good for 400hp...good thing I keep the boost low then.
I would challenge a person to put a V8 into an FD or FC and make the power that I'm making for the same or smaller amount of money. It's just not possible. Once you get past the basic bolt-ons, you are running into some serious $$$ when it comes to building up a good V8.
Please...most people that do a V8 swap into an RX7 is because they don't know how to properly build or MAINTAIN a rotary motor. If you do it right the first time, then they can be just as reliable as any other motor.
This dead horse has been beaten to death for YEARS, but it is SOOO annoying hearing the same mundane comments from piston pushers about the rotary engine. If you want to put V8 motor in your 7, fine...but don't do it because you say it's a better swap...do it saying that you have no idea how to handle a rotary.
(speaking on percentages here, not ALL....so don't give me that excuse)
And torque...please, where is most racing done? in the upper RPM range, right?
I guess its a good thing that your V8s can spin the tires going from stop light to stop light.
05-27-07, 02:43 PM
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What's annoying is to hear people whine about the "soul" of the car, or the engine that "is what makes the RX-7 unique."
First of all, the amazing thing is how little credit these people give the chassis of the car. Since obviously, Mazda could've made a car with an aluminum V8 in it and it would've been just as good (if not better), a fact that is clearly obvious when you look at most of the V8 RX-7's out there.
Secondly, forcing yourself to use the stock engine because it's the "soul" of the car is absolutely ridiculous. That's like creationists insisting to keep themselves ignorant to science because they believe literal interpretations of the Bible.
Yes, I don't think much of the intelligence of creationists, and the more people wax poetic of the "rotary soul," the more similarities I see and the less I, in turn, think of their intelligence as well.
First of all, the amazing thing is how little credit these people give the chassis of the car. Since obviously, Mazda could've made a car with an aluminum V8 in it and it would've been just as good (if not better), a fact that is clearly obvious when you look at most of the V8 RX-7's out there.
Secondly, forcing yourself to use the stock engine because it's the "soul" of the car is absolutely ridiculous. That's like creationists insisting to keep themselves ignorant to science because they believe literal interpretations of the Bible.
Yes, I don't think much of the intelligence of creationists, and the more people wax poetic of the "rotary soul," the more similarities I see and the less I, in turn, think of their intelligence as well.
05-28-07, 11:09 AM
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Did you just say peaky powerband and rotary in the same sentance? Too funny...
My rotary is definitely only good for 400hp...good thing I keep the boost low then.
I would challenge a person to put a V8 into an FD or FC and make the power that I'm making for the same or smaller amount of money. It's just not possible. Once you get past the basic bolt-ons, you are running into some serious $$$ when it comes to building up a good V8.
Please...most people that do a V8 swap into an RX7 is because they don't know how to properly build or MAINTAIN a rotary motor. If you do it right the first time, then they can be just as reliable as any other motor.
This dead horse has been beaten to death for YEARS, but it is SOOO annoying hearing the same mundane comments from piston pushers about the rotary engine. If you want to put V8 motor in your 7, fine...but don't do it because you say it's a better swap...do it saying that you have no idea how to handle a rotary.
(speaking on percentages here, not ALL....so don't give me that excuse)
And torque...please, where is most racing done? in the upper RPM range, right?
I guess its a good thing that your V8s can spin the tires going from stop light to stop light.
My rotary is definitely only good for 400hp...good thing I keep the boost low then.
I would challenge a person to put a V8 into an FD or FC and make the power that I'm making for the same or smaller amount of money. It's just not possible. Once you get past the basic bolt-ons, you are running into some serious $$$ when it comes to building up a good V8.
Please...most people that do a V8 swap into an RX7 is because they don't know how to properly build or MAINTAIN a rotary motor. If you do it right the first time, then they can be just as reliable as any other motor.
This dead horse has been beaten to death for YEARS, but it is SOOO annoying hearing the same mundane comments from piston pushers about the rotary engine. If you want to put V8 motor in your 7, fine...but don't do it because you say it's a better swap...do it saying that you have no idea how to handle a rotary.
(speaking on percentages here, not ALL....so don't give me that excuse)
And torque...please, where is most racing done? in the upper RPM range, right?
I guess its a good thing that your V8s can spin the tires going from stop light to stop light.
Someone that makes some sense finally.
You all are arguing with a 19 year old who knows everything....one day he will see the light when he goes to check his bank account when its time to rebuild the rotary AGAIN
But I do know that i have a good engine builder on my side, and a guy that can tune the car properly. I know how to take care of my car. That's all i need really.
Like i also said, you can take apart a wrecked camaro and build a lotus 7 replica for alot less than an RX-7 and still have the LS1 power in it. Although, i guess if you can't keep a rotary from blowing up you probably can build your own car either, right?
Oh, just want to post this again...
05-30-07, 12:59 AM
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I am loving the v8 in the rx-7. I have a 388 sbc stroker engine with a 4l60 tranny in it. If you decided to do it that way then drop me a pm if you need a hand or advice or anything.
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Ok...broken down if read correctly:
Original Post: Work Smarter, not harder
Comparing this to putting a V-8 into an RX7 is an Oxymoron.
It doesn't take smarts to make power that way, and it's much harder on the wallet.
And the free mullet comes with wanting to put a V-8 in everything.
Comprende?
Original Post: Work Smarter, not harder
Comparing this to putting a V-8 into an RX7 is an Oxymoron.
It doesn't take smarts to make power that way, and it's much harder on the wallet.
And the free mullet comes with wanting to put a V-8 in everything.
Comprende?
05-30-07, 10:56 AM
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I usually avoid this marry go-round topics of V8 vs rotary but I'll throw in my $0.02 this time
It's because of ppl like you guys who "give up" on the rotor that slows down it's progress... already the motor is only 25yrs or so old..
and the SBC is like what? 50 or 60? (not much has changed either since then except they upped the volume and added efi)
if everyone keeps "giving up" on them, who's gonna bother R&Ding and carrying the motor through it's infancy into maturity?
look at how far mazda has come from something like the 10A or 12A till now with the RX8 and the 13B-MSB
Personally I see the LS1 as the latest american bandwagon Fad..
fanboys jumping on the latest craze.. LS1's and LT1's
just like the SR20's and the 240's and the drifting craze
what i wonder is if it really was the Holy Grail of automotive history..
why is it so "great" in USA but not the rest of the world?
when watching Best motoring Video's... I've see a BMW with F20C.. I've Seen a ///M Z3 with a 13B... i've seen Miata's with 13b's, the famous Hachi Roku with 20B
the Aussie 20B powered Z33
why are the australian's new zealanders and Puerto Rican's so keen on Rotary's if they're so ***** and unreliable? if they're good enough for 7 and 8 second passes.. I guess they can't be that bad after all.....eh?
Why do ppl think rotary's are so expensive to build?
I have friends with V8's and i've seen what they've spent and the results they've gotten...
and how much they suffer with drivability cuz of that Huge lumpy Cam they've got...
I have friends with 2JZ's and RB26's.. and seen the kinda money they fork over as well...
(as well as the sheer size difference)
as for reliablility.. ur comparing the orig motor from a 20 year old TUrbo II to the donor engine from a 5 or 6 yr old F body? yeah that's fair..
why not compare it to a IROC Z?
for me to make reliable power I need:
A port job
good seals
engine stud kit
Lots of Fuel
A huge snail
a good ecu
good Cooling system
Sewer pipe exhaust
and a good tune
Most of which U can do at home by yourself
and it will still idle fairly normal
vs:
pistons,
rods,
piston rings,
bearings,
knife edging,
heads
Cam
Valve train mods
Intake manifold
Headers
Throttle body
Stroker kit
Fuel
blah blah blah
Can't Fab your own long tube headers,
can't buy a template and port ur own heads
can't knife edge a crank in ur garage
since the LS1 is pushrod it's not that complex and can probably be assembled at home. but still is alot more"busy" than a 13b reassembly
How is that cheaper power?
basically the point is.. if SBC's weren't dime a dozen you wouldn't be doing it...
i see the Same patterns here...
RB20's are $600 and they stick them in everything from Corolla's to datsuns to altima's (cefiro)
1JZ's are $700 and are in everything else...
but when a T-56 alone costs $2,700
ppl are ranting and raving about how I should stick a 1J or 2J or RB into my FC or FD and how it would be the best car ever...
SBC swaps is more a cultural phenomenon than it is an automotive one...
when I see Aussie's throwing out their Rotars from the R100 and RX2's and 3's
and the PR boys throw out they're rotars from their Starlets
and all slam SBC's
then i might give it a second glance...
It's because of ppl like you guys who "give up" on the rotor that slows down it's progress... already the motor is only 25yrs or so old..
and the SBC is like what? 50 or 60? (not much has changed either since then except they upped the volume and added efi)
if everyone keeps "giving up" on them, who's gonna bother R&Ding and carrying the motor through it's infancy into maturity?
look at how far mazda has come from something like the 10A or 12A till now with the RX8 and the 13B-MSB
Personally I see the LS1 as the latest american bandwagon Fad..
fanboys jumping on the latest craze.. LS1's and LT1's
just like the SR20's and the 240's and the drifting craze
what i wonder is if it really was the Holy Grail of automotive history..
why is it so "great" in USA but not the rest of the world?
when watching Best motoring Video's... I've see a BMW with F20C.. I've Seen a ///M Z3 with a 13B... i've seen Miata's with 13b's, the famous Hachi Roku with 20B
the Aussie 20B powered Z33
why are the australian's new zealanders and Puerto Rican's so keen on Rotary's if they're so ***** and unreliable? if they're good enough for 7 and 8 second passes.. I guess they can't be that bad after all.....eh?
Why do ppl think rotary's are so expensive to build?
I have friends with V8's and i've seen what they've spent and the results they've gotten...
and how much they suffer with drivability cuz of that Huge lumpy Cam they've got...
I have friends with 2JZ's and RB26's.. and seen the kinda money they fork over as well...
(as well as the sheer size difference)
as for reliablility.. ur comparing the orig motor from a 20 year old TUrbo II to the donor engine from a 5 or 6 yr old F body? yeah that's fair..
why not compare it to a IROC Z?
for me to make reliable power I need:
A port job
good seals
engine stud kit
Lots of Fuel
A huge snail
a good ecu
good Cooling system
Sewer pipe exhaust
and a good tune
Most of which U can do at home by yourself
and it will still idle fairly normal
vs:
pistons,
rods,
piston rings,
bearings,
knife edging,
heads
Cam
Valve train mods
Intake manifold
Headers
Throttle body
Stroker kit
Fuel
blah blah blah
Can't Fab your own long tube headers,
can't buy a template and port ur own heads
can't knife edge a crank in ur garage
since the LS1 is pushrod it's not that complex and can probably be assembled at home. but still is alot more"busy" than a 13b reassembly
How is that cheaper power?
basically the point is.. if SBC's weren't dime a dozen you wouldn't be doing it...
i see the Same patterns here...
RB20's are $600 and they stick them in everything from Corolla's to datsuns to altima's (cefiro)
1JZ's are $700 and are in everything else...
but when a T-56 alone costs $2,700
ppl are ranting and raving about how I should stick a 1J or 2J or RB into my FC or FD and how it would be the best car ever...
SBC swaps is more a cultural phenomenon than it is an automotive one...
when I see Aussie's throwing out their Rotars from the R100 and RX2's and 3's
and the PR boys throw out they're rotars from their Starlets
and all slam SBC's
then i might give it a second glance...
05-30-07, 12:00 PM
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The didn't decide to call it a Independant Rear suspension - 7 did they?
Look, I love these cars but there is NOTHING unique about it aside from the engine. It looks like a Porsche 944 (FC specific), its got shitty Mazda electronics found in every other Mazda ever made in the same time period and had (at the time) "modern" suspension. Whoo-dee-******'-doo.
Whats unique is the fact that it has the only internal combustion engine desgin in the world different from a piston type that is actually in a working, purchaseable vehicle
Don't try to sugar coat it because the car handles well.
2: Why not? In case you didn't realize, the stock engine bolts right into the stock subframe. And the stock engine can create upwards of 600HP with enough fuel and boost. Don't see many reasons to change that.
There's nothing wrong with V8's and theres nothing wrong with rotaries. I have a personal dragracing friend running high 8's in a Trans Am. And I have another personal friend running high 8's in his 7. Both very respectable cars and built well. If you can't have respect for skinning the cat front to back vs. back to front then you are really living a sad and hateful life.
Get the hell over it people.
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RX has never been documented and proven to mean Rotary eXperiment....this is beating a dead horse on both sides....i've made power with a rotary i've popped an engine and rebuilt it...and its running fantastic again....but i see more potential in an LS1.....And you can't deny the advantages of a LS1 over a Rotary. It makes sense and you may call it a bandwagon i call it a large amount of people that have been enlightened.
06-04-07, 03:08 AM
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How about, everyone realized how america cant build a well handling chassis, so they just started putting their engines in the cheapest most available well handling car they could find, and hate on the engine that was already in it instead of admitting that american engineers will never understand why anyone would want a car that handles well for less than $70k .
And mr work harder not smarter, i dont see what's so hard, you could pull and rebuild an engine in less than 3 days if you have all of the seals and new housings and rotors(if they're even bad), for alot less than a V8 swap.
Hell my friend did a budget rebuild for about $300 on a 7 not too long ago, has 130psi of compression with used housings, runs great, took a couple of days.
I just dont understand why anyone wants to worry about all of that hassle.
I mean, there are reasons you find the V8s an V6s in the junkyard, they still do break you know.
And mr work harder not smarter, i dont see what's so hard, you could pull and rebuild an engine in less than 3 days if you have all of the seals and new housings and rotors(if they're even bad), for alot less than a V8 swap.
Hell my friend did a budget rebuild for about $300 on a 7 not too long ago, has 130psi of compression with used housings, runs great, took a couple of days.
I just dont understand why anyone wants to worry about all of that hassle.
I mean, there are reasons you find the V8s an V6s in the junkyard, they still do break you know.
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In the long run the V8 will be cheaper.
And america doesn't know how to build a well handling car.....wow you had to put the 70k limit in there...knowing that the new Z06 retails for roughly 72.....and that car handles amazing (i was impressed when i test drove one)
I want as much power/$ as i can get with a readily available aftermarket and parts supply...i don't want 3 or 4 days down time waiting on a rotary part again. I want a nice smooth power curve so my car is more predictable on the road course. I WANT TORQUE. I don't want to drive with my radio off all the time listening to the rotary wondering WHEN its going to pop. I want some sort of fuel economy. I don't like having to drive 6 or 7 hours just to get a tune.........now the V8 swap is the solution....and going LS1 is working SMARTER not HARDER
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And america doesn't know how to build a well handling car.....wow you had to put the 70k limit in there...knowing that the new Z06 retails for roughly 72.....and that car handles amazing (i was impressed when i test drove one)
I want as much power/$ as i can get with a readily available aftermarket and parts supply...i don't want 3 or 4 days down time waiting on a rotary part again. I want a nice smooth power curve so my car is more predictable on the road course. I WANT TORQUE. I don't want to drive with my radio off all the time listening to the rotary wondering WHEN its going to pop. I want some sort of fuel economy. I don't like having to drive 6 or 7 hours just to get a tune.........now the V8 swap is the solution....and going LS1 is working SMARTER not HARDER
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06-04-07, 03:00 PM
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About %5 - %10 of the american cars at the junkyard here are wrecked.
Wow, it's $72k? I was actually just guessing. Wow isn't that like twice the price of the FD when it was new?
You may not have to wait for a tune or whatever, but you dont have to wait on conversion parts and if you know what the hell you're doing you can swap the engine out in a day.
Of course, most people would prefer to be cheap and do the minimal amount of work possible than to order a mazda remanned engine or have keving landers build them a street ported engine with new housings and seals, install a T4/FMIC/Fuel System and Haltech, they'd rather try and boost 14psi on a stock turbo without doing a tune up and blow it up with 100k on the clock.
But then again, like it's bveen proven before, you can beat on a 600HP LS1 everyday and it will last 250K miles without any issues right?
In the long run the V8 will be cheaper.
And america doesn't know how to build a well handling car.....wow you had to put the 70k limit in there...knowing that the new Z06 retails for roughly 72.....and that car handles amazing (i was impressed when i test drove one)
I want as much power/$ as i can get with a readily available aftermarket and parts supply...i don't want 3 or 4 days down time waiting on a rotary part again. I want a nice smooth power curve so my car is more predictable on the road course. I WANT TORQUE. I don't want to drive with my radio off all the time listening to the rotary wondering WHEN its going to pop. I want some sort of fuel economy. I don't like having to drive 6 or 7 hours just to get a tune.........now the V8 swap is the solution....and going LS1 is working SMARTER not HARDER
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And america doesn't know how to build a well handling car.....wow you had to put the 70k limit in there...knowing that the new Z06 retails for roughly 72.....and that car handles amazing (i was impressed when i test drove one)
I want as much power/$ as i can get with a readily available aftermarket and parts supply...i don't want 3 or 4 days down time waiting on a rotary part again. I want a nice smooth power curve so my car is more predictable on the road course. I WANT TORQUE. I don't want to drive with my radio off all the time listening to the rotary wondering WHEN its going to pop. I want some sort of fuel economy. I don't like having to drive 6 or 7 hours just to get a tune.........now the V8 swap is the solution....and going LS1 is working SMARTER not HARDER
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You may not have to wait for a tune or whatever, but you dont have to wait on conversion parts and if you know what the hell you're doing you can swap the engine out in a day.
Of course, most people would prefer to be cheap and do the minimal amount of work possible than to order a mazda remanned engine or have keving landers build them a street ported engine with new housings and seals, install a T4/FMIC/Fuel System and Haltech, they'd rather try and boost 14psi on a stock turbo without doing a tune up and blow it up with 100k on the clock.
But then again, like it's bveen proven before, you can beat on a 600HP LS1 everyday and it will last 250K miles without any issues right?
06-04-07, 04:17 PM
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Super Snuggles
Wow, it's $72k? I was actually just guessing. Wow isn't that like twice the price of the FD when it was new?
But then again, like it's bveen proven before, you can beat on a 600HP LS1 everyday and it will last 250K miles without any issues right?
