Rx-7$4$me

Hello all,

I've the opportunity right now to pick up an ls6 with 26k miles on it. However, the person selling the engine is going to be dropping another in there, and im wondering how much i'd have to lay down to get the engine to be a complete full long block. Also, I hear that engine mount adapters are required to drop an ls6 into an FD say using a hinson subframe. Is this true? And if so where might I go about getting a pair?

Here's what the engine lacks. Quote "It does not include the ECC, wiring harness or other basic accesories like the engine cover, LS6 valve red fuel rails covers, oil pan, sensors and no manifold.

So basically, no sensors, no wiring harness or ecc etc. What kind of money/difficulty level would I be looking at to get everything I need to have the engine run?

Thanks a lot!

Steve

Edit: Forgot this tidbit, another quote from the seller

"It does however come with the complete longblock with heads installed with newer 918 springs and the stock timing chain and oil pump"

The price also seems good as it's a local pickup and I don't have to dish out for shipping. His asking price is around 2600. I'd have to work on finding a nice trans, but overall, would it all be worth the trouble?

88IntegraLS

Sure, if you're committed to spending about a year and an additional $5-8k to get the finished project on the road. V8 swaps are all about problem solving and $$. It's cheaper (in the short run) to stick with rotaries. The break even point is about a few popped motors.

Rx-7$4$me

That's not true at all. It took us three months to finish my buddies in a 20 degree garage. The thing that held us back was waiting for parts. I know all about the price, and I also know the results This thread isn't me asking about the process of doing the swap. I've done it, am going to do it to my own vehicle, and am wondering about the ls6 as i'm not sure how that works.

I'm really not sure how doing an ls swap running from 5-8 grand is more expensive than getting a 4k built rotary, a large turbo and all the mods to go along with it, with reliability and preference in mind also.

But back to my original unanswered question please! I'd much prefer to not see this thread turn into one of nothing but arguments.

wptrx7

I would pass on that motor, the price is to high. I paid 3k for my LS6 complete. The pieces that are missing, your descripion was not that clear, are going to nickle and dime you. And yes the HHinson mounts are reequired for any LSx installation. You don't need any additional mounts, the LS6 is like any other LSx as far as dimensions. And by manifold, you mean intake? Than absolutly pass on this deal. Not for 2600, maybe anything south of 2k

Rx-7$4$me

Yeah that was his description unfortunately, I basically just copied and pasted it here. So if I could get it for around 2k you think it would be a worthwhile buy?

Thanks for the reply

Crash Test Joey

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It sounds like you're going to get nickel and dimed to death on the missing parts. By far the cheapest way as a "regular" guy with no inside track on parts is to get a complete pullout from a wrecked car. MANY of us went that route for good reason.

Example: for $4700 I got a 2001 LS1/T-56 with 23k miles. It included the motor, transmission, wiring harness, PCM, all sensors and accessories (A/C, PS, Alt etc.), exhaust manifolds, motor mounts, driveshaft, even the pedals from the car, fuel and vacuum lines.

If you add up what you'll pay for the things you AREN'T getting, you'll see it's not a great deal at all. I wouldn't pay more than about $1300 for that.

Rx-7$4$me

Yeah I was adding things up today. It's not only going to be more money than I NEED to spend in the long run, but a huge pain in the ***.

Thanks for the input!

paul_3rdgen

iTrader: (6)

Maybe this will help.....

LS6 intake manifold $300
Cable throttle body $100
injectors 28.8# $50
Fuel rails $50
Starter and Alternator $300
Wiring harness and PCM from HOwell Engineering $700 for LSX in a non LSX vehicle
F body engine mounts $200 from the dealer
Water pump CHEAP!
power steering and AC, you don't really need it.
CRank pulley for an F body, I will give you one for free. Just buy an UD pulley it's worth 10rwhp
F body oil pan $200

I did it this way, yes it is not the cheapest way to do it but if you can get the long block for $1800+ say $2300 in this stuff, all you need is your Tranny and you can find those relatively cheap as well.

Contact http://www.smcperformance.com/ he can help you put it all together,
I dealt with him many times. Great guy and just tell him what your doing and he will know what you need, he can put a package together. Tell him the guy with the LSX in an RX-7 from CANADA sent you.

wptrx7

Does he have transmissions?

paul_3rdgen

iTrader: (6)

NOt sure, give him a call.

Russo

2600 is not bad for a complete motor and tranny... you can get your harness complete (with AC and trimmed from hinson) for $600...

Rx-7$4$me

The price would just be for the motor

paul_3rdgen

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I have been looking to sell my pullout, 418rwhp 384rwTQ 2002 LS1 with Heads and cam, T56 with everthing minus Harness and PCM $6500. IF you want details of the parts in my combo let me know.

wickedrx7

iTrader: (14)

Personally I would get a full pull out instead, even if it was an ls1. You can pick up LS6 head and cam for about 600-800 off ls1tech.

Peicing stuff together sucks and takes time.

Russo

hell, for $1400 you can get fully asembled ls7 heads...

Crash Test Joey

iTrader: (1)

$6500 Canadian?


Nobody would bother buying just LS6 heads and cam unless they wanted to have all GM parts instead of aftermarket. The only reason most people keep their stockers is because of the work involved - it's easier and cheaper to add a 75 shot of nitrous and make the same amount of power. If you're going to swap heads and cam, why not get a substantial gain out of it?

Nihilanthic

Dont you mean L92?

And whats the deal on the L78 (IIRC..) intake ?

wickedrx7

iTrader: (14)

Agreed, I was just saying that the LS6 isn't worth it in my mind.

1point3liter

eh, i originally made mine run in 2 months.

Russo

not sure what the part number is on the heads, but the stock ls7 heads flow some rediculous 350+ cfm... greater than any ported heads you can buy...

wingsfan

You can't even get the bare castings for that.

http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/results...umber=12578450

Assembled LS7 heads will run a little more than $3K

http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/results...umber=12578449

And they won't work with an LS6. You need a bigger cylinder bore to run those heads.

wingsfan

Mine took 4 months, most of which was spent waiting on parts.

88IntegraLS

Lol, I guess I got owned. Sorry guys.

Russo

read your second link carefully.. 'Assembled with 2.20" titanium intake and 1.61" sodium filled exhaust valves'.. the word "titanium" was also misspelled on the GM website.... go figure

from September Hot Rod Mag..
"On June 1, GMPP announced the availability of the L92 cylinder head, PN 12582713, for $375 completely assembled. This is an aluminum head that's used on the 6.0L Tahoe L76 Engines (and rumored to be the engine in the new Camaro), and it flows a reported 330cfm. Yeah, we know. You can now get LS7 head performance for $750 a pair, assembled. The best new is you can get a matching intake manifold (PN 12580123) that comes assembled with 36 lb/hr injectors, fuel rails, and a 90mm TB for $475." - Rob Kinnan
Will not work on a LS1 but will work on the bigger bore LS2/402's etc. So you get 330cfm flow for $350'ish compared to aftermarket ( AFR etc) $2000. But check out the TB/Fuel Rails/Injectors/Intake for $475.

^ this is a different head, but even cheaper....

wingsfan

It's not run by GM. It's a dealership in NC.
Those come up at ~$475 apiece after shipping and handling at GMParts, which tends to be among the lowest prices. Still not bad compared to most aftermarkets.


That part doesn't seem to come up in the system yet. The price seems too good to be true. I'd have to see it to believe it. The LS7 intakes alone were ~$330, and the 90mm LS2/LS7 TB is ~$280.

I'm noticing a trend with your estimates.