BlackFD3

I am in a fix. Which way do you guys think I should go with this thing? Should I ditch the almighty rotary and go with an ls1, ls2, ls6 or ls7 swap with a t56 tranny? Or the other option would be to go back to a rotary engine. I am thinking to do the ls swap with the t56 because of all the torque and horsepower and how the car wont break down on me every 20 thousand k.. any input would be appreciated. Thanks

Mahjik

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My 2 cents:

If you want a LSx motor, just get a Corvette. C5's are under $20k right now. You'll have the motor and a much more updated car. The main downside to the C5 is the interior door handles, however the FD's aren't really any better in that regard.

TT_Rotary

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get the LS1 swap.. the rotary is trash, all these guys are gonna tell u is what mahjik just told u... if u like the look of the import.. but want the speed of a muscle car.. go LSx.. im doing the same.. mines gonna be turbo.. dump the rotary and go LSx, if u look around the site, u'll see about a dozen or more guys that have 20k rx-7's.. w/ single turbo's.. pushing well over 300hp.. going LS1.. u dont need anymore proof than that.. and ur right about rebuilding it every 20k miles.. w/ the LSx swap, u can DD w/out no problems.. and u dont have to worry about throwing out an apex seal everytime u have to get on it to pass some1..

KillaKitiie

+1 Why waste a perfectly good chassis..Just go and buy a vette and be happy with it. or hell even a Camaro.

BlackFD3

TT ROtary makes the most sense to me. I guess I wil join you soon brother, Its a 93 black on black R1 model.. LSX here I come, rotary there you go. Thanks for the input guys.

TT_Rotary

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no problem man.. and just incase u decide trying to go back, i got some more info. for ya.. i got some estimates on a single turbo set up from gotham.. 9k.. how much HP would i be pushing, he said about 400.. i went to a LSx shop, an LSx turbo that'll push me up to about 600hp.. 9k.. =)

5.6inmyS14

+1 for FD Ls1

i have built an ls1 fc, and it was a dream come true, power and gearing of a street monster. and handlin and looks of a great car.


the corvette your talking about more then you'll ever wrench on the car.

you gotta look at what you are doing with the car and how do you want to drive it?

weekend fun while washing it. Go Vette

weekend best project done these days. level of car master mechanic. and to top it all the most feared swap on the streets. besides a supra.

GO-LSX!

the car drives like no other can not be named and has all the potential in the world.

heres a quik vid of my project. if you need help down the road. let me kno

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYQOsmt60fk

TT_Rotary

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agreed

nice vid.

Delicious

Don't listen to this guy, hes a rotary hater... get 13brew..

Delicious

PEGPEN

this seems to be a popular swap, grannys and hinson must be makin money.

imagine your ls1 powered fd on the street and u get beat by an FC or FD running
a single.. that would be hard to swallow .

JustinStrife

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Just make sure you have the bolt-ons and that won't happen.

Delicious

Any one with 20k dumped into their motor is gonna have well over 300 HP.... quit being a hater... 20k will get you well over 600 hp easy... i'd like to see some of these people you speak of...

dbragg

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heres how i look at it. i love both, rotary and LSX. there are reliability issues with rotaries once you reach certain points. there are ways to overcome them, but can be a hassle.

ill ALWAYS own a rotary car, ALWAYS. i ******* low the wankel, but for my FD id go LSX. it looks great, handles amazingly, great NA power, and decent economy.

Montego

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I am not a rotary die hard. I can certainly see (and contemplated) the benefits of an ls swap *but* never let TT Rotary sway your decision. I’ve had a couple of conversations with him and determined that the kid isn’t too bright and certainly does not think things thoroughly.

This is his story:
He is a kid on a tight budget who bought a less than desirable FD. That’s 2 mistakes right there: tight budget alone is tough on a good FD, never mind getting a crappy one. All he did was bitch and moan about how everything is expensive on the FD without a clue of why nor how the prices are higher than a let’s say Honda parts. I don’t know if he blew his engine but he sure talks like he did.

Now he is on this Ls bender/ rotary thrashing mode which is ok except that his reasoning is all fucked up (yeah I know as expected). This is a list of misconceptions that he has:

1) torque wins races not hp…
2) He is not mechanically inclined so he has to get a shop to do all of the work. Yet he is very optimistic about the price that it’s going cost for the swap. An ls swap is a full custom job when is that ever inexpensive? Nevermind that he wants to add a turbo but has failed to mention the price associated with supporting mods? As well know they always drive the cost way, way up. Let me say that again: way up.
3) It’s going take lots patience, money, and perseverance to finish the job that he wants. Which I doubt he has any of those qualities.
4) He seems to believe that his 28xxx fd will be drivable at 600+ RWHP with TORQUE to match. Yeah right…


I will say it now. TT Rotary will never finish his LS swap. On the list of misconceptions number 2 and 3 will ultimately break him and he will have to sell the car as roller. If he was truly smart, he would know his short comings and therefore sell his supposedly running FD, then pony up additional cash and buy an already running ls converted FD.

TT_Rotary

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so funny how u stretch things.. my FD is in perfect condition.. runs/drives... its perfect.. nothing wrong.. rotary's are garbage.. LSx motors own... all there is to it.. stock LSx vs Stock13b.. LSx... modd'd LSx vs Stock13b.. LSx... reliability.. LSx... either way u look at it.. ur making no sense.. and flaming me isnt gonna do you much good either.. so.. then again.. my statement is valid.. rotary is garbage.. go LSx.. like u plan.. and again.. they envy me b/c i can afford an engine swap they cant.. notice.. they say.. "ill never have it done".. zzzzzzz... i can have the 13b yanked out.. LSx tranny put in.. and engine ready to be dropped in modified w/ the turbo in one day... please.. stop making excuses to make urself sound tough on a forum.. its pretty ridiculous.. ur trying to be an E-thug..

TT_Rotary

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look on ebay... not sure if its still 4 sale.. 20,000 for str8yd or w/e his name is.. his single turbo converted rx-7 w/ like 400-450 hp..

XxMerlinxX

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I think you're full of **** to be honest. You expect me to believe you can put together a turbo LS1 swap for $9k? BUUUUUULSHIT! I bet you haven't actually put any real thought into it at all. A good pullout costs $4500, the swap kit is $1700, and the labor is at least another $1500 but more than likely a lot more considering the shop you were talking about, I'd guess $2k at least. Those are the big parts, then you have all of the little stuff associated with it, like a new radiator, $125, radiator fans, $65, all new lines, ~$150, wiring harness (which can be costly depending on where you get it), intake, ~$150-$325, fuel pump, $100, exhaust work, $150, etc. etc. So all of that right there, if we take the absolute lowest figures I quoted, totals $8440. That leaves you a whopping $560 for the turbo, the intercooler, the intercooler piping, the manifold, the wastegate, the BOV, and the tuning. That's just to get it rolling, if you want it to actually be effective, you'll have to upgrade to larger wheels and tires so it'll hook up. Then once you get it going that fast, you'll want to be able to stop so you'll need upgraded brakes as well. If you're running at a track, you'll need a cage of some sort also.

So tell me again, how exactly will you put together a turbo LS1 swap for $9k?

TT_Rotary

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i know the guy.. personally.. he's a good friend of mine.. and the motor and tranny are cheap.. the guys have the parts laying around the shop.. there a LSx shop.. the only thing costing me most of the wad is the turbo.. the engine/tranny.. and all of the parts u named above.. wiring ect ect.. come w/ the engine already.. but, BS me all u want.. i will post pics soon or later.. so labor will not be much, b/c they can do it so fast.. they built a
H2 LS1 turbo.. w/ 900HP.. i think they can do wat i want for next to nothing.

TT_Rotary

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the kit is $1200.. so ur off about $500 on that.. and ur prices are max priced.. its called bragaining.. or negotiating.. "hinson super cars" subframe kit.. is 1200.. go check the site, i just now read ur whole post.. lol.. this isnt going to be a track car.. if i were to run slicks or a good tire.. i would need a different suspension.. the car is mainly to cruise around and have fun in.. basically a street monster/showcar.. so therefore i will be driving it... MAYBE.. twice a month.. if that.

XxMerlinxX

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You're living in some sort of alternate reality. LS1's are not cheap, no matter whose shop you get them from. They're actually increasing in value since we seem to be snatching up most of them now. LS1's, in stock form, run around $3k. T56's go for $1500. Nobody has LS1's laying around unassembled in a heap, and if they do, they're not complete for one reason or another. And no, all of the rest of the parts don't come with the ls1. You'll need a custom made intake of some sort, you'll have to have the ls1 wired into the rx7 harness, you'll need a new radiator from an older corvette, you'll need a taurus fan for that radiator, you'll also need all new lines that have to be fabricated. The fuel pump you'll need if you're going to be running anything other than stock hp levels, and since you want a turbo, you'll need a lot more than that. That leads to larger injectors which run around $300 since you'll probably need at least 42#'s. You need the entire turbo kit which is going to cost thousands more. Even if you do get the turbo kit, you realize you're incredibly limited as to how much boost you can run on a stock bottom end? You'll need new rods, pistons, rings, rod bolts, another nice chunk of change there. Are you getting the point yet? The only thing a shop can cut you a break on is the labor, the parts have to come from somewhere and they're not going to just give them to you, you WILL have to pay for them. Your project is going to run way over $9k, no matter how many favors they owe you.

XxMerlinxX

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That price is a sale price and I'm sure it won't stick around for long. And my prices aren't maxed, unlike you, I just put one of these together, so I actually know what I'm talking about. You say it's not going to be a track car, but you're wanting 900hp??? I don't know what size rims you have now, but you'll need at least a 275 out back and some REALLY sticky tires, especially if you're only going to be running on the track. And no matter whether you're running on the track or on the street, you're still going to need to stop. The stock brake system simply can't handle that much power.

TT_Rotary

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the engine is out of one of there mustangs.. the t56 is laying in there shop.. literally.. extra tranny, they deal w/ all sorts of LSx based motors.. all sorts of different customers come in.. wanting this.. wanting that.. selling this.. buying that.. and they just keep the stuff in stock.. and the motor has ironheads.. not aluminum.. and the motor will be able to hold up to about 10-15 psi.. most likely 10.. im not building a race car.. and it will already be cam'd.. ported.. like i said.. the wait is extraneous.. but.. i will post pics up when i get it done.. to prove
every1 wrong on this forum.. and its not "THE" ls1.. its a lsx based motor.. its in the lsx family.. 323 ironheads.. the motor that comes in the Z71's.

TT_Rotary

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where did u see 900hp?? my car will only need 500-600..it'll be in the high 500.. 560-580.. 600 is max.. and i will not be running the car at the track.. maybe once or twice.. but i will not be running sticky tires.. it'll snap the rear end right off.. the rx-7 stock suspension cant handle it.. gives it to much shock.. i will have traction issues.. but.. who cares.. it wont be a daily driver or a track car.. it'll just most likely be a showcar/cruiser.. just something fun to have... i've always been into imports.. but never liked how muscle cars always out performed them.. so.. im taking the look of an import + the power of american muscle

XxMerlinxX

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That's where I read 900hp. And if you're not even going to be using an LS1, I don't know why you're arguing about the price of hinson's kit, the shop will have to fabricate something up on their own. That 323 won't work with the hinson kit, as far as I know. And if the engine comes out of a Z71, why did you say it was out of a mustang? You'll also need an adapter plate depending on where the transmission came from, more money. You're just not being realistic if you think they're going to give you or even cut massive amounts of money off of these parts. It's still going to cost a lot, no matter what you may think or hope.