wingsfan

wingsfan

Whatever you need to tell yourself to feel better. I'm glad you took the time to read our points and let them sink in.

Because you've never tried to impress anyone here right?

Maybe you can show us more video of your car at Deals Gap, or regale us with a rehearsal of your upcoming 7NS "technical" presentation. That ought to be suitably impressive.

LT1RX7

HOLY **** dude.

Here is a newsflash for you Brian. YOU ARE A MODERATOR. It is time you ACT LIKE it.

Sometimes as the MODERATOR YOU need to take the high road. Its Ironic that you close and delete posts when they are "offtopic" yet you manage to take 2 pages in this thread and garbage it up with your personal feelings towards Jim and Drew.

If you had issues with Drew or Jim than send them a PM as the MODERATOR. Dont flame the ******* flames by sitting out here and having a arguement in some poor suckers thread.

Finally why would you choose to throw this line in?

This has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING that has been discussed in this thread at all, it is merely and CLEARLY a personal attack at Jim. For what reason? Envy? Jealousy? What do you care what he does with his money? What purpose does it serve? I think you are once again trying to "fan the flames" to bait Jim into saying something so you can justify trying to ban him from this section.

LT1-10AE

I chose to let this go it's course because those two have some pent up frustrations and I figured I'd let them have their say. Their main argument is I close threads where they speak their mind. I have nothing to hide and will answer questions in public that they have for me. They attempt to bait me into closing this thread, but I won't.

As far as regarding this particular thread, I was just in the process of splitting it

If I closed the thread or deleted it altogether, it would just be one more thing for them to use against me when they go into "Brian's a ****" mode.

The only other option if they fail to fall in line and stop attacking others (Jim has been getting better at this), will be to remove their access here.

I threw in the line because Jim did. Money does not impress me.

wingsfan

Let's keep the arm chair psychology out of it. You're hardly qualified to analyze either of us. I happen to think you're chronically full of ****. THat's why I seem hostile.

How noble.

You do. You've closed a lot of threads recently.

Please. You're the one trying to bait Jim and I into doing something wrong.

That's pretty much the picture lately.

All I ask is that the same standard apply to everyone, which it clearly doesn't.

Sure it doesn't. Meter-maid syndrome doesn't impress me

LT1-10AE

A-HA! The truth comes out. My problem with your posts in particular are ones like this: https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...04&postcount=2

Posts like that are what causes threads to careen out of control. With that post you've stepped past a heated discussion (which is good!) and into personal attack mode.

Two lines from one single post. There is no need for comments like that toward anyone.

Question their choice of cam.
Discuss the pros and cons of torque arm vs. no torque arm.
Argue over which rockers to use.

But holy crap dude, stop with the rude personal attacks on others. It's not wanted here.

Now, looking at just that one post, you will have to agree that I have given you slack by not booting you sooner. You DO provide good tech info and it would be a loss to see it go, but if you keep pushing the matter it will happen.

All I'm asking is when you argue to make your point, stop making it personal and I will stop closing threads.

88IntegraLS

I want to thank the participants of this thread for providing me with 10 minutes of much needed humor today. Engineering school is full of teachers who can only communicate using their very specialized language (s), and I'm just a closet business major trying to get an edge......

So yeah, smacktalk is fun

wingsfan

Because that's what I do here Brian. I randomly cruise around looking for people to flame. Come on, that's not me at all. I crapped on Nihil, who you'd be hard pressed to find sympathy for, and Digital, who waded into that LS7 post with every intention of belittling Jim (and anyone associated with Jim).

http://www.torquecentral.com/showpos...40&postcount=2
http://www.torquecentral.com/showpos...5&postcount=15

He basically started tweaking from his inital post with his "nothing to it" BS.

Does that warrant my response? Maybe not, but I'm hardly the one to single out.

I suppose you missed the smilie he threw my way then?

How about this nugget?

Neither of those digs were meant to be taken personal?
Gimme a break. My flame to content ratio here is pretty damn low. If that's the standard you'd have to boot quite a few people on the list before you got to me.

No one likes to be threatened Brian, so cut it out. I haven't done anything that warrants a booting, so don't dangle it over my head as an anti-prize. I'm not a child that needs to be threatened with a whippin.

I rarely do. Most of my posts are technical.

jic

iTrader: (1)

whoever made this thread is a genius

audiobot7

*grabs popcorn*

digitalsolo

iTrader: (2)

It's sad that you assume that I meant any of that as a personal attack to you or Jim, as it wasn't intended that way at all. I have no damned clue if you can or can't weld to cast aluminum, I do know that I watched a friend add 2" to a cast aluminum intake in about 2 hours, then machine it flush, thus my statement that it's not that hard if you know how to do it. If you're so insecure as to assume that, that's your issue, NOT mine. It is a simple FACT that I had not directed that towards you in ANY way, I'm sorry you took it that way.

I can post up 4-5 examples of guys that already have LS7s running vehicles on LS1tech, it's not a f**king complicated procedure, no more so then the first guys that installed LS1s, it is DIFFERENT, with a new set of hurdles, and definitely more costly, but not particularly more difficult.

Are you so damn shallow as to think that every post here revolves around you two? No one of any signifigance cares, get it through your heads.

I realize this is for moot, I have no doubt none of THIS will sink in to you. The sad part is you blew up at me, for something that wasn't even related to, or intended for you. And I'm the know it all. You should have these threads read by an intelligent outside source and see who looks like the petty kid in it.

LT1,

Sorry for going off in the other thread (I assume going off is the point of this one), but I don't see the point of sitting idly by while someone attempts to dissect my words for no purpose beyond their own confusion.

wingsfan

Your recent history suggests otherwise

But yet you assumed I couldn't and threw in a "if you know what you're doing" dig anyways.


This is what you call simple? 2+ hours of welding and machining? There are only a handful of people on this forum with that kind of skill.

I think it was blatantly obvious what you were doing. Jim and I weren't the only ones that noticed. I have at least 2 PMs asking me why you were being such a dick.

Please. You started the little yippy dog routine from darn near the beginning with how easy it is. Neither Jim nor I suggested it was difficult. We/I suggested it was expensive.

And you're still arguing a point that neither of us challenged.

Ah yes, down to the heart of it...cost.

And my personal favorite, complete with middle fingers flying

True not all 23 year olds are broke, but you seem to be, and you're overly sensitive about money. Envy can be really ugly sometimes.

I think it's safe to say that a thread in OEC with LS7 in it is going to involve references to Jim or me, or one of us will chime in. I'm that shallow.

If you say so. How about people of significance (sorry, now I'm just being a *****)? Will they care?

You obviously care quite a bit.

Of course not. You'll have to make a relevant point for something to sink in.

Sure doesn't seem that way. Seems like you're out to belittle the significance (there's that word again) of anything that requires spending any money. Fairly typical of someone your age I'd say.

You sure are Blake. Either you don't realize what a pompous ***** you are, or you don't care. Makes no difference to me. Being related to someone famous doesn't make YOU famous.

I've no disillusion of my ability to be petty and childish. I've also no disillusions about who my friends are here, or my propensity for loyalty. By shitting on Jim and his project you **** on mine. I value his opinion, I don't value yours. That simple.

Whatever you need to justify your behavior. I think your intent was blatantly obvious.

jimlab

So this wasn't intended as an attack on me?

http://www.torquecentral.com/showpos...5&postcount=15

Your posts in this thread were of exactly the same type, so having read your comments on Torque Central, what exactly were we supposed to assume?

You want to know what's sad? Someone bitching about me and my project for no valid reason other than jealousy of the money involved or the attention gained and then trying to act misunderstood when called on it.

Welding on a cast aluminum intake is one thing. Welding on the powdered aluminum pan of a $13,000 engine which has critical tolerances is another. The pan is a structural part of the LS7's bottom end, in case you weren't aware. An intake is just along for the ride.

Sure it can be done, but the more elegant and least destructive way to do it is to machine a piece that makes a smooth transition from the 7/8" internal diameter of the pan's oil passages to 3/4" (-12 AN) fittings, doesn't compromise the pan's tolerances, or eliminate the possibility of using standard fittings with it in the future. If you don't have the time, inclination, or money to do something like that, there's no reason to bitch about those that do.

BTW, LS7 parts aren't exactly falling out of trees right now. You mentioned something about it being no big deal buying the intake and pan, and you're right; the purchasing process was over in seconds. However, the wait on the intake was 2+ months and Drew waited a month and a half for the pan. LS7 parts are in extremely short supply right now, so don't run your mouth unless you know the full story. If you don't believe me, go try to buy an LS7 intake over the parts counter of your local dealer. Special order, no specific ship date.

In cars that originally had LS1s installed, have ample clearance, and a variety of other considerations that we don't have. Considering that you don't have an FD or an LS7 and aren't likely to, your opinion of the difficulty level and work involved is pretty much irrelevant.

Neither is putting an LS1 in an FC using a bunch of parts other people developed.

Keep rehearsing that story. Maybe someone will eventually believe it.

Swolbynos

well i may not be a genius, but it seems to me you are the petty kid.

\/\/ahh, eh my opinion still stands.


seems like he made a dumb comment and is doing everything possible to back it up.

Klar

This thread was moved off the other ls7 swap thead, FYI.
Just so that is now straight...
















Continue.

LT1-10AE

This was a split thread. I just happened to grab his post in the move as well by accident. I meant to snip it where the profanity and name calling started.

Nihilanthic

Am I the only one who thinks this would be funnier if this was an arguement at a bar and Cliff started interjecting in it?

digitalsolo

iTrader: (2)

Jim and Drew,

Feel free to do some posting when you can entertain a coherent argument.

And for me being the sensitive one about money, you two are the ones swinging you wallets around like phallic symbols.

wingsfan

There's nothing incoherent about what I posted. Just because you don't like the content doesn't make it incoherent.

Yup. My e-***** is bigger than yours.

I'm done with this.

digitalsolo

iTrader: (2)

Which dumb comment was this?

I interjected my opinion on a topic, and stated several things about doing the swap, all of which are true. Jim and Drew have a hard on for me because I don't think Jim or his LS7/RX7 swap is God's gift, and thus came in with an attitude problem.

If I was on their list of buddies, they'd agree, but I don't follow King Jim like a lemming, thus my opinions are clearly wrong. Apparently their best bet is to simply say I'm wrong, and when I apply contradicting facts, they try and pick topics as closely related to the arguments as they can without directly addressing them to try and disprove me, if that doesn't work, they start up on personal attacks to try and get under my skin. That's Jim's long standing method, and apparently Drew has picked it up as well.

They can debate this all they want, that doesn't make me any less correct.

I'm not saying you're wrong, simply that I disagree with you.

digitalsolo

iTrader: (2)

I didn't say the statements were incoherent, rather that they did not quantify a coherent argument. More simply put your counterpoints fail to directly address the points that I made. Perhaps I should use smaller words?

wingsfan

OK I lied, maybe I'm not done since you won;t let it drop.

You didn't make any points other than you know people who can fabricate, so it would be easier FOR YOU.

Sure tough guy, anything that would help you out.

Since you're hellbent on belittling us, and you've now alluded that I'm not particulalry intelligent a couple times, care to compare educations? Do you really want to go that route? You're not old enough to compare favorably.

LT1RX7

This post is a PERFECT example where it looks like you are hung up on the $$ thing. Why do you care if they swing there wallets around?

From my experiences, those that talk and point out money or how much someone else spends are the ones that are hung up on it and short of it.

Also I dont think Jim or Drew wants anyone to think their project is Gods gift to anything. I think they want to clear up the FALSE rumors that spread around that these swaps are "Easy" or "inexpensive". If you are bolting in a bone stock LS1/T56 using hinsons stuff, then yes it aint tough. You get out of that even the slightest and it gets exponentially more difficult.

Just because you have access or the ability to do something doesnt mean 99.9% of the people that read this board do. When you post it is "easy" believe it or not it may sway someone to spend their hard earned $$ to try it only to find out it is a pretty advanced project.

I would venture a guess less than 5% of this board can weld properly. I would guess even further that less than 2% could weld aluminum. To take it one step farther I would say less than .5% can properly weld cast aluminum (WHIHC IS MUCH tougher than billet believe me) and that same .5% or less probably has access to the tooling required to do the rest of a swap like this.

I think you have made some hasty and incorrect ASSumptions based on your history/feeling with Jim and your history over at TC.

wptrx7

This thread is stupid and another moderator should come in and close it. You guys do realize you're arguing over the internet right?

Might as well say it since I am thinking it, You guys should race on pinks!

LT1-10AE

This thread will be closed and sent to never-never land soon enough. I just wanted to give those involved time to respond and voice their thoughts.