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Old May 29, 2012 | 11:20 PM
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473hp fc @ 16 psi e85

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t2 engine with fd upper manifold
s366 turbo
4 1200cc injectors
weldon fuel pump
microtech lt10
E85
NO intercooler.
No msd
trailing plugs


473hp @ 16-17 psi

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Old May 29, 2012 | 11:28 PM
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Old May 30, 2012 | 12:14 PM
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I was going to ask why E85 was necessary at such low boost levels....now I see. Nice work.

Hows response?
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Old May 30, 2012 | 12:39 PM
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trailing only?

run leading only and adjust timing, the trailing holes hinder ignition performance. or better yet, run all the plugs available..
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Old May 30, 2012 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by sharingan 19
I was going to ask why E85 was necessary at such low boost levels....now I see. Nice work.

Hows response?
I wanted to go higher on boost but the customer didn't have a boost controller.

response is very very good
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Old May 30, 2012 | 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Karack
trailing only?

run leading only and adjust timing, the trailing holes hinder ignition performance. or better yet, run all the plugs available..


i mean running 9s on L and T Ben

in a week or 2 we are shooting for 26-30 psi with a couple of new things
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Old May 30, 2012 | 01:45 PM
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any block strengthening? ie dowels or studs and what compression ratio?
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Old May 30, 2012 | 04:50 PM
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@ what RPM, 11K?
that's lots of power from such boost, no IC, and fuel having higher BSFC than petro!
I'm bewildered.
What am i missing?

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Originally Posted by Clubuser
that's lots of power from such boost, no IC, and fuel having higher BSFC than petro!
@ what RPM, 11K?
I'm bewildered!!
the S366 is between a mid and large frame turbo so it will generate a decent chunk of power even at mid boost levels(even though it seems happest around 20 or higher PSI). even the smaller GT35R can make about the same power at the same boost level.

E85 makes as much power as dino fuel(well more actually since it is higher octane and you can run higher boost levels), you just need a bit more of it. intercoolers negate the drag of resistance of the air across the core with the cooling effect and lower intake air temperatures which then increases power that compensates for the efficiency loss of the intercooler. with high octane fuel the intercooler isn't really a necessity and can actually make more power because the turbo's efficiency is closer to actual.

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Old May 30, 2012 | 05:12 PM
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Old May 30, 2012 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Clubuser
@ what RPM, 11K?
that's lots of power from such boost, no IC, and fuel having higher BSFC than petro!
I'm bewildered.
What am i missing?

missing nothing
rev limiter was at 9500 and it wasn't cutting off . i was letting of at around 8800-9000
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Old May 30, 2012 | 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Karack
any block strengthening? ie dowels or studs and what compression ratio?
yees is pinned and is running 88 6port/NA rotors
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Old May 31, 2012 | 05:54 AM
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That is identical to what I'm making at 16psi.
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Old May 31, 2012 | 12:56 PM
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theres the missing link.. high compression rotors... sweet set up. Nice to know that it handles e85 so well, and without an intercooler. great work.
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Old May 31, 2012 | 01:42 PM
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What are the air temps w/o an intercooler? Those are some sick numbers! How much more advance timing are you running compared to stock? I'm building mine with an HX50 and E85, I can't wait till it's done
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Old May 31, 2012 | 02:36 PM
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Can we see the whole dyno graph? I'm very curious about the response.
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Old May 31, 2012 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ColinShark
Can we see the whole dyno graph? I'm very curious about the response.
those are pictures from the screen. i dont have the whole thing.

also the intake temps i cant remember but i can let you guys know this weekend we are running it at the track.

high comp rotors yes they love E85 .

intercooler will be on soon i already told the customer about it.

timing well i wanted to add some degrees but i just left it there.
im sure it was going to make a bit more than the 473
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Old Jun 1, 2012 | 01:43 AM
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very good for 16lbs
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Old Jun 1, 2012 | 10:59 AM
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re air temps, if the fuel is being injected via the injectors in the normal location, air temps prior to the injectors for the most part continues to be related to the pressure and compressor's efficiency. i'm curious to see results w/ an efficient IC. in theory, it should only help. a denser air charge = more fuel = clydesdales?? just have to duplicate 100 mph air going thru the IC when doing the dyno run.

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Originally Posted by Clubuser
re air temps, if the fuel is being injected via the injectors in the normal location, air temps prior to the injectors for the most part continues to be related to the pressure and compressor's efficiency. i'm curious to see results w/ an efficient IC. in theory, it should only help. a denser air charge = more fuel = clydesdales?? just have to duplicate 100 mph air going thru the IC when doing the dyno run.

yes i will replace the 1200cc with 2200cc injectors and add an intercooler. i will keep you guys posted

tommorow we are testing at the track. i will post the numbers
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Old Jun 4, 2012 | 03:28 AM
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Beautiful setup, I would definitely want something like this on my upcoming RX.
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Old Jun 5, 2012 | 12:04 AM
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60ft 1.65
7.5 1/8 @ 93
best run letting of the throttle
second gear boost dropped to 9 psi
third gear boost dropped to 5 psi

we are having some issues with the wastegate

will update soon
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Old Mar 18, 2013 | 09:45 AM
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Would you recommend the s366? I'm looking to upgrade my turbo soon, as a friend wants my BNR stage 3. I've been looking into this turbo, and heard a lot of negatives and positives for it. Setup is:

T2 streetport
3mm apex seals
3" straight pipe
750/1000cc
FMIC
Haltech E6K.

Will be upgrading injectors/manifold/etc. but would this turbo be good for my goals of 450whp on low-mid boost? Anyone? thanks for the advice in advance!

(Sorry for threadjacking!)
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Old Mar 18, 2013 | 10:38 AM
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This is why i only run s4 n/a rotors. High enough compression to make easy power but not too high where it becomes a glass motor.

Awesome numbers!
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Old Mar 25, 2013 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by fcrotory
This is why i only run s4 n/a rotors. High enough compression to make easy power but not too high where it becomes a glass motor.

Awesome numbers!
If Mazda thought that were true all Turbo engines and NA engines would have the same compression.
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