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I will continue to say that you can go bigger width tires then what the consensus is. They are an 8 inch rim, my friend ran 285s on his 01 Cobra on that width. If you run anything more than 245s there will be tire bulge, but so what. I don't see the problem with 255s or 265s. Once I get ahold of some stockers I am gonna take it to Discount Tireand see what they think. They always hook me up.
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I have seen 255s on the stock wheels, but the diameter is bigger than stock so you might run into rubbing problems. 245/45-16 is the popular upgrade size that keeps the stock diameter and fits well on the wheels.
I don't think anyone says that it is impossible to mount really big tires on narrow wheels, but rather that it just isn't a good idea. 285s on 8" rims might work with tall sidewalls, but I doubt you could find some 285s that would have the right diameter that you could mount on 16x8" wheels. I recommend staying within the tire manufacturer's recommended rim widths for a given tire (very easy to find on the Specs sheets on tirerack.com). Going outside that range puts the sidewalls at a lousy angle, which reduces response and may impact the load handling cpability of the tire. Plus, it looks funny. If you want really huge tires, get bigger wheels.
-Max
I don't think anyone says that it is impossible to mount really big tires on narrow wheels, but rather that it just isn't a good idea. 285s on 8" rims might work with tall sidewalls, but I doubt you could find some 285s that would have the right diameter that you could mount on 16x8" wheels. I recommend staying within the tire manufacturer's recommended rim widths for a given tire (very easy to find on the Specs sheets on tirerack.com). Going outside that range puts the sidewalls at a lousy angle, which reduces response and may impact the load handling cpability of the tire. Plus, it looks funny. If you want really huge tires, get bigger wheels.
-Max
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Putting a really wide tire on a rim serves no purpose. You will not get better grip or traction and it won't even look very wide. As Max said, it will lower stability and perhaps reduce the load rating of the tire.
Stick with 245/45s as the widest tire on a stock rim. Anyone that tells you differently either only cares about having the widest tire possible or they are ignorant. Don't mean to sound harsh but....
The ideal rim width is 90% or more of the tire width.
245*90% = 8.7 inches
225*90% = 8 inches
Stick with 245/45s as the widest tire on a stock rim. Anyone that tells you differently either only cares about having the widest tire possible or they are ignorant. Don't mean to sound harsh but....
The ideal rim width is 90% or more of the tire width.
245*90% = 8.7 inches
225*90% = 8 inches
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Originally posted by ROTARYFDTT
I am not ingorant at all and don't care about having the widest tire. I am just saying don't believe all the hype about not being able to put wide tires on certain rims. because it can be done and I've seen it done.
I am not ingorant at all and don't care about having the widest tire. I am just saying don't believe all the hype about not being able to put wide tires on certain rims. because it can be done and I've seen it done.
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It would be interesting to ask/test a few things:
1. Ask a tire engineer what criteria are used for setting recommended rim widths, and what happens when you stray from the recommendation.
2. I was going to say do a test of different sizes on stock wheels, but 245/45-16 seems to be the biggest 16" size available in all the brands I looked at that would have a diameter anywhere close to the stock size. 255/50 was often the largest size, but they have a 26" diameter, which is too big for the front unless you are running a 4x4 suspension. Okay, so I bet we could find some good 17" sizes to test, like these on 7.5" wide rims: 225/45-17, 245/40-17, 255/40-17.
Hoosier makes competition tires in 275/45R16 that list rim widths that would be an approved setup on 8" rims and have a diameter much smaller than their nominal size suggests. I wonder if anyone is running those on stock wheels for AutoX? It seems like the "hot" fitment on stock wheels among the fast AutoX guys was 245/45R16, but I am not sure if these were available or if there was some other reason (rubbing?) that made them impractical?
-Max
1. Ask a tire engineer what criteria are used for setting recommended rim widths, and what happens when you stray from the recommendation.
2. I was going to say do a test of different sizes on stock wheels, but 245/45-16 seems to be the biggest 16" size available in all the brands I looked at that would have a diameter anywhere close to the stock size. 255/50 was often the largest size, but they have a 26" diameter, which is too big for the front unless you are running a 4x4 suspension. Okay, so I bet we could find some good 17" sizes to test, like these on 7.5" wide rims: 225/45-17, 245/40-17, 255/40-17.
Hoosier makes competition tires in 275/45R16 that list rim widths that would be an approved setup on 8" rims and have a diameter much smaller than their nominal size suggests. I wonder if anyone is running those on stock wheels for AutoX? It seems like the "hot" fitment on stock wheels among the fast AutoX guys was 245/45R16, but I am not sure if these were available or if there was some other reason (rubbing?) that made them impractical?
-Max
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Originally posted by GoodfellaFD3S
Right, but if performance suffers (go roadrace or auto-x with 285s on stockers and tell me how you do), then what the hell is the point?
Right, but if performance suffers (go roadrace or auto-x with 285s on stockers and tell me how you do), then what the hell is the point?
Your missing the point, I am not gonna go stuff that size tire onto my or stock rims. I am just saying that it can be done contrary to popular belief. THATs IT......
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So what brand offers the most traction, especially straight ahead?
So what brand offers the most traction, especially straight ahead?
Supposedly the BFG gforce KDs are the **** for *dry* weather traction--just don't get caught in the rain .
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Tire Rack lists no tires available in 255/45-16:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Compar...rk=1&do=Search
-Max
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Compar...rk=1&do=Search
-Max
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I am just saying that it can be done contrary to popular belief. THATs IT......
I am just saying that it can be done contrary to popular belief. THATs IT......
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Originally posted by maxcooper
Hoosier makes competition tires in 275/45R16 that list rim widths that would be an approved setup on 8" rims and have a diameter much smaller than their nominal size suggests. I wonder if anyone is running those on stock wheels for AutoX? It seems like the "hot" fitment on stock wheels among the fast AutoX guys was 245/45R16, but I am not sure if these were available or if there was some other reason (rubbing?) that made them impractical?
-Max
Hoosier makes competition tires in 275/45R16 that list rim widths that would be an approved setup on 8" rims and have a diameter much smaller than their nominal size suggests. I wonder if anyone is running those on stock wheels for AutoX? It seems like the "hot" fitment on stock wheels among the fast AutoX guys was 245/45R16, but I am not sure if these were available or if there was some other reason (rubbing?) that made them impractical?
-Max
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dont forget weight guys, a tire is unsprung weight, and the less the better, so maybe going larger 245/45 was best balance based on amount of grip gained by the extra width minus the performacne loss by extra weight, maybe any wider and the gained grip did not overcome the negatives from the added weight...im just speculating
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Originally posted by rynberg
Putting a really wide tire on a rim serves no purpose. You will not get better grip or traction and it won't even look very wide. As Max said, it will lower stability and perhaps reduce the load rating of the tire.
Putting a really wide tire on a rim serves no purpose. You will not get better grip or traction and it won't even look very wide. As Max said, it will lower stability and perhaps reduce the load rating of the tire.
That said, 245/45 is the perfect size for the FD stock rim. Straightline acceleration feels a little faster with the 225/50's, but the lateral grip is far better with the wider tire. 245/45 is more than enough tire for any stock FD and most mildly modified FD's. (Hmmm, am I heavily modified now? )
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