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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 11:07 PM
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Question problem with my FD specific CCW racing wheels. please help

i hope nobody get mad cause i posted here but its and FD specific question.. my CCW classic wheels are machined weird and ccw says its normal.. well the center cap holes and lug holes were machined out so close together that the walls between the lug holes an center cap hole are paper thin and in some spots missing aluminum and is a hole right through.. the owner of ccw said it was normal for fd rx-7's.. he said right after he would take the wheels back and make new ones.. he said he would machine the center cap hole smaller and the obviously the cap as well.. shady business if you ask me.. now i would LOVE to hear what other people with the same wheels have to say.. please guys write whatever small or large..

these wheels also came with scuffed lips and 2 trashed center caps.. poor polishing quality.. im just over all mad because 2,500 bucks is alot for shoty work
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 12:30 AM
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show some pics and specs so we know exactly what we are dealing with here.
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 01:02 AM
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take pics as evidence, return them and buy from a better company
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 02:13 AM
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theres no need for pictures, its pretty easy to understand.. i have one pic but i dont think you can see it anyway.. does anyone have these wheels?

they are the street version of the wheel withh a center cap unlike the race model
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 02:49 AM
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I know what your saying, I'm saying for evidence to show others.
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by staticguitar313
I know what your saying, I'm saying for evidence to show others.

[URL=http://g.imageshack.us/img114/ccwracingaj2.jpg/1/][IMG]

i see what you mean.. i have to take more pictures
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 03:37 AM
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Hmmm, looks normal to me..can you take a better pic of what your saying
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 07:06 AM
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Yeah, not really sure what the "problem" is. CCW has probably churned out a zillion classics for FDs over the years.
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 01:25 PM
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u cant see from tht pic but the center cap is machined so close to the lug holes the walls between are paper thing.. john at ccw said its like that on all FD's unless there race model without caps..
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 02:01 PM
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He's right. The walls are very close on the street version because they have to machine it out more for the centercap.

Here's another one made for an RX-7:

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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 02:38 PM
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Is there any reason to think that your set is any different from the zillion other one's John's made for these cars? There's alot of folks using them, and i've never heard of issues.
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 02:43 PM
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I see what he means. The center cap hole is ALMOST overlapping the holes for the lug nuts. Imagine if the center cap was removed, the wall between the center cap hole and the lugnut hole area is basically touching each other. I bet if you were to push the wall with your fingers, it would just break.
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 02:47 PM
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see attachment, this is what he means. It's so close that the walls are gone because of hole overlapping.

I'm pretty sure the integrity of the wheel is not weakened, but it is shady-like work for a very costly wheel.
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 03:02 PM
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Guys,
The FD bolt circle diameter is what it is, and the centerbore is what it is. If these wheels fit the car, and there's nothing different about them than the umpteen zillion other sets that have been made for the car, I don't see what the problem is.
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ptrhahn
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The FD bolt circle diameter is what it is, and the centerbore is what it is. If these wheels fit the car, and there's nothing different about them than the umpteen zillion other sets that have been made for the car, I don't see what the problem is.
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And per CCW's website:

Race version wheels are not machined to accept center caps as most tracks will not allow you to run them. The center forgings are then machined to be hub centric. Street version wheels are machined larger to accept our billet center caps that are hubcentric. Center forgings and center caps are vehicle specific as hub sizes vary.
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 04:38 PM
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I guess CCW has huge center caps compared to other companies.

These are on an FD:


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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 04:55 PM
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Hmmm.. looks like CCW wheels are made bit differently than other wheels. If you use the street version of the wheel, the center cap ACT as the hub centric portion which is pretty odd. Since that is the case, no wonder the hole is so huge!!
Check out this street version of the wheel for the FD (Inside face of the wheel):


Basically, the center of the wheel is bored all the way from the inside face to the outside face.
The center cap is larger than the bore size, wow.

Most other manufactures machine out the hub centric portion separate from the center cap portion.

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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 05:10 PM
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RIMTUCK

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There appears to be plenty of material between the centerbore and the lug holes, so it may just be something of an illusion from the front size.
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ptrhahn
There appears to be plenty of material between the centerbore and the lug holes, so it may just be something of an illusion from the front size.
But remember, this is the inside face of the wheel. The hole is only large enough for the lug bolt.
The outside face lug hole area is larger to compensate for the socket of the wrench.

This side is only to show how the center cap is constructed in the CCW wheels.
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 05:33 PM
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From Max's site:

^ That's cutting it pretty close.
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 07:46 PM
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Sorry, but I don't know how to say this another way: This is a non-issue. They've been making these wheels this way for FDs for the better part of a decade, and they've been one of the most popular track wheels over the year. There's plenty of material there back where the lug nut contacts the wheel, which is what counts... not up by the cap.
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Old Dec 25, 2008 | 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by RIMTUCK
see attachment, this is what he means. It's so close that the walls are gone because of hole overlapping.

I'm pretty sure the integrity of the wheel is not weakened, but it is shady-like work for a very costly wheel.
right on the money.. this is just what im talking about.. the race model is not like that.. i spoke to john at ccw for an hour about it.. it can be changed however this is how its been done for years.. if you make the center bore smaller he would have to make the cap smaller too which would most likely defort the cap if done.. so john said.. to me its a better design but im not expert
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Old Dec 25, 2008 | 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by RIMTUCK
I see what he means. The center cap hole is ALMOST overlapping the holes for the lug nuts. Imagine if the center cap was removed, the wall between the center cap hole and the lugnut hole area is basically touching each other. I bet if you were to push the wall with your fingers, it would just break.
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