mannykiller

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I was looking around at my options for coilovers and I came across these. They look excellent and I havn't heard anything negative about Stance as a brand so I figured i'd post up and see what people had to say about them, or if anyone has experienced them! thanks much!!


"Check out the site for additional info..
XR is our top of the line single way adjustable coilover. XR features industry leading large 60mm OD casing, which reduces rod pressure for consistent performance.The newly desgined "sensing" piston responsds with full damping capability within as little as 2mm of shaft movement. Instant reaction to changing road surface equals traction and comfort.

XR features inverted monotube (strut type) construction for consistent valving and to withstand high lateral forces of racing. Swift springs are made from H5S.TW which is stronger than regular silicone chrome material. Stronger materials allows for less coils, which makes them lighter, more consistent, and offer more stroke than any other springs brands.

XR features double reinforced lower bracket (strut type) to ensure minimal deflections during high lateral cornering. XR is a no compromise high performance coilover for those who seek the ease of single adjustable valving
XR is our top of the line single way adjustable coilover. XR features industry leading large 60mm OD casing, which reduces rod pressure for consistent performance.The newly desgined "sensing" piston responsds with full damping capability within as little as 2mm of shaft movement. Instant reaction to changing road surface equals traction and comfort.

XR features inverted monotube (strut type) construction for consistent valving and to withstand high lateral forces of racing. Swift springs are made from H5S.TW which is stronger than regular silicone chrome material. Stronger materials allows for less coils, which makes them lighter, more consistent, and offer more stroke than any other springs brands.

XR features double reinforced lower bracket (strut type) to ensure minimal deflections during high lateral cornering. XR is a no compromise high performance coilover for those who seek the ease of single adjustable valving

Notes :
1. Front Camber uppermount
2. Rear Camber uppermount
3. Inverted Front shocks
4. Inverted Rear shocks
5. Front Helper spring
6. Rear Helper spring
7. SS-D (Special setting damper). Race tires recommended. Made to order, contact us for availability.
8. OEM type rear springs."

ruddyrid

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seems like not that many ppl have tried these out yet. i wouldnt be surprised if im the first person to buy XR's for an FC. Ill try to give feed back once i install them and drive them on the street and the track

GodSquadMandrake

I'm a little confused here. 60mm is monstrous. Are they specing the diameter of the threaded body or the actually shock rod? Even rally shocks are only 50mm.

The picture doesn't look like it's for an RX7 unless I am missing something and one shock is clearly monotube while the other is twin tube. Neither are inverted. Can someone straighten this out?

Edit: Ok I see it's an old thread now and mannykiller has already bought these.

allrotor93

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https://www.rx7club.com/suspension-wheels-tires-brakes-20/stance-xr-coilovers-custom-valved-10-8-rates-949291/

GodSquadMandrake

Isn't the shiny side supposed to be down if they are inverted?
The advertisement says the Swift springs are $400 MSRP but I checked the website and they are $240.

This line: Sounds like it a fancy way of saying it has fast bump valving, which is far from new. They aren't describing how the fast bump valving works though. Many dampeners offer this, but the difference is in the valve design.

The advertisement of having strength to resist lateral forces is important in a McPherson strut suspension, but with a double wishbone design there are no lateral forces on the dampener.

The 60mm figure they keep says makes it superior is the casing, not the piston rod outer diameter. This is a misleading figure because other manufacturers don't exaggerate by measuring the casing.

The helper spring is only in the rear, not the front. How many people get wheel lift in the rear?

I'm not really seeing any features here that are new or set them apart from anyone else. Especially for the price. Just a bunch of misleading marketing.

Josh18_2k

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shaft diameter doesnt matter, its piston diameter is what counts, and its not listed (Bilstein 46mm shocks for example have a 46mm piston, 50mm OD body).

the stances are indeed monotube. the fronts are inverted (body on top, shaft on bottom hidden inside threaded tube), and the rears are upright (shaft on top, body inside threaded tube). stock struts, as well as most cheap replacements, are upright twin tubes. the shiny part is the shaft itself, and is much bigger than the shaft of an inverted monotube. bilstein struts are inverted monotubes, so the shiny part is bigger (because its the shock body, not the shaft)

inverted rears are not common at all, theyre harder to package. in the case of FC's and S13's for example, the stud mount leaves no room for a rebound adjuster

i make you picture of the fronts

GodSquadMandrake

Thanks for clarifying Josh

Jaiyurai

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Zeal/Endless... nuff said.

ruddyrid

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so I installed them yesterday and drove maybe 1 hour total yesterday and today. Pretty sweet ride, I was expexting a super stiff ride but it isn't. I do think tho that maybe 7kg and 5kg springs would be better cuz its way to soft and bouncy when I go full soft on the adjustment. Lol tho I need to align it cuz its way too toed in on both the front and the rear

magus2222

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exactly, i was surprised when i looked at my zeal function xs how thick the body was, gunna suck though to have to get under the car to adjust the stiffness.......i guess ill just pick a setting and leave it the hell alone lol

Lloyd

Oscypek1007

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I know a really big secret about the new xr from stance but I probably shouldn't tell >_> let's just say these are a bargin because underneath the stance stickers these coilovers are something really special.

mannykiller

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Secrets don't make friends...haha

Oscypek1007

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ill just say this.... they are oddly similar to dg-5 coilovers.. hmmm would be strange if they were exactly the same thing wouldnt it?

Josh18_2k

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would be strange if they WERENT identical to something else on the market..

Oscypek1007

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They are the same.. stance xr are rebadged dg-5 coilovers. So enjoy dg-5 coilovers at a discount.

GodSquadMandrake

Thanks for that info Oscypek1007, that gives a lot more credibility to these. I looked it up and apparently DG5 is what used to be Kei Office, or Keiichi Tsuchiya's brand. Driftspeed.com is supposed to be the exclusive US distributor for DG5 and they advertise a 50mm "inner cylinder" diameter and 60mm "outer cylinder". Not sure what that means, but it's big either way. They look fairly similar, but they don't have an exact picture for the RX7 coilovers so you can't compare apples to apples. Their price right now is $2,580 so really not that much more than the Stance XR.

I'm starting to get the feeling that these are like the Pettit coilovers...
So I did the research.

These are Fortune Auto coilovers with Swift springs.
http://www.fortune-auto.net/fortune5...escoilover.htm
$2100

BUT Fortune Auto is getting the actually piston rods and gas chambers from Japan.

It's a friggin headache. I could probably walk down the street 5 minutes and get these for half price if I only knew who is actually making them. So far from what I can see, these are rebranded multiple times and changing a lot of hands, even more so than the Pettit racing coilovers which only change hands twice.

I haven't found the exact proof myself, but it looks like these are made in Taiwan too:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1920286
I'm not saying anything against them or Taiwan. I just want to know what I'm buying and paying for. It seems like the facts are really getting screwed up by the time they change hands for the fifth time.
Maybe I'm not making too much sense here, but if you've been following the Pettit Trak-pro thread you'll know what I'm talking about.

Oscypek1007

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alright well here is my understanding of what I was told about the stance coilovers (from someone inside stance and from another source confirming it)

You can basically think of it this way, stance took a dg-5 coilover ripped off the sticker, stuck on a stance sticker and BAM new xr coilover. Also the old stance coilovers (gr plus and all that) were assembled in Japan. Stance XR coilovers are assembled over wherever DG-5 is assembled because again they are the same thing.

Another side note is TFworks over by where I live is the main distributor of stance, and they are being out fitted to be able to completely rebuild and revalve the new XR coilovers. Which is great for me and any one in the states with XR or DG-5 coilovers because it makes maintaining them so much easier.

GodSquadMandrake

Swerd.
Having the ability to service and rebuild the shocks is very important. Most people don't think about it until that day comes, but when it does, it sucks to have to buy a completely new set. I went through 2 before I learned my lesson.

GodSquadMandrake

I asked Iasati if they manufacture these and they identified them as a competitors. So maybe Fortune auto has their own factory in Taiwan also.

Brekyrself

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Anyone have any track time in these yet?

ruddyrid

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I have one track event on these. They were great, car sqauted nicely in drift when my diff wouldn't act up(s4 NA moderate wear) and I certainly felt like every input could be transfered to the ground. As daily they aren't horrible bu you do need to be weary

CrispyRX7

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Interesting information. I recently installed a set of Stance GR+3 coilovers (early last year). Do you know if TFworks will be rebuilding the GR series dampers as well?
TIA,
Crispy