ProChemBroTCM

Well, I had a great suspension set-up bid out from under me last night. I was so pissed off. Here it is: shocks and coilovers Anyways, to fill the void in my heart, and because I plan to campaign my 88 'vert in some HPDE courses and eventually some NASA events. This is not my daily driver, so street comfort is not an issue. I had Megan Racing springs on my last project car, a 1998 Ford ZX2, and was quite pleased with the results. I have searched the forums to see if anyone else has used these, but there were no useful results. Check this out. What do you guys think. I don't really know much about metric spring rates in comparison to standard spring rates. I do like the looks, the price is great, 1 year warranty is excellent. Please help with any advice you may have.

aznpoopy

you can do conversions on google.
just type in (insert your number here) kg/mm to lb/inch.
for instance "6 kg/mm to lb/in" returns "6 (kg / mm) = 335.984488 pound / in"
pretty neat, huh?

anyway i haven't heard too many complaints from casual owners of their coilovers, but some of their other products are pretty crappy. such as:

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.p...ighlight=megan

for that reason alone i would not support megan. my reccomendation is to save up a few extra hundred and get something from a more reputable company.

Black91n/a

I'm going with Tein Flex, they're good coilovers, they've got good valving, are proven durable and are reasonably inexpensive.

Track driving doesn't require a fancy suspension. Spend your money first on fixing any little problems, they'll quickly become big ones under the stress of track driving. Get racing pads and high temp fluids. Pay attention to cooling, it's a good idea to get a good aluminum rad and get some real temperature gauges. Do all the stuff that's required to survie the track FIRST, THEN get lots of track time, THEN think about go fast upgrades like suspension.

I've driven my car on track nearly completely stock on hard all seasons and it was just fine, you don't need a fancy suspension.

I wouldn't trust Megan's to be that great, if you get really serious you'll end up wanting something better, so the money spent on them would have been wasted.

ProChemBroTCM

Ok aznpoopy, thanks for the conversion; I just didn't know if it was kg/cm or kg/mm. I guess that kg/cm would make for some ridiculously mushy spring rates. 12kg front and 10kg rear leads to 670lbs/in front and 560lbs/in rear spring rates! Those are some stiff *** springs! As for your link, I would have to sign into that site to see the post, and I don't need another car forum sn. What does the poster have to say about the Megans.
I have always liked the Teins, but they are also expensive. I know that cars are bottomless money pits, but I don't have bottomless pockets. One thing that I noticed and disliked about the Tein Flex type is that the front upper strut mounts are 2-bolt instead of the stock or Super Drift 4-bolt pattern. I suppose you are right, though, I shouldn't worry about having a trick suspension at least until I get the TII conversion taken care of. I will probably end up getting the Super Street coilovers anyway.

aznpoopy

basically the poster bought some megan brand rear upper control arms for a 240sx. these adjust rear camber.

they came like this.



yes, the arms are not fully welded. in fact, they are barely welded. that's very dangerous, considering what this arm does.

he returned his set and got a replacement set. lo and behold, the replacement set had the same problem.

additionally, the threaded portion of the arm (for adjustability) was threaded such that you would have to unbolt the entire arm to adjust camber.

megan has a reputation for cheap products... you'd think on a adjustable arm the cheap portion would be the solid heim joint on the end (which they probably are). but instead, megan can't even get the welds and threading right (arguably the easy part).

bottom line; if megan can't put a RUCA together properly, i'd be wary of a more complicated part like a coilover.

njstreetrx7

the coilovers are REALLY good

Black91n/a

No offence, but if you've got no basis of comparison your oppinion isn't that valid. I've read a number of times when people switched from something they used to praise to something better it was a revalation to them, and they no longer thought the old stuff was that good after all.

Black91n/a

A few more thing to add, on the Flex, the camber plates do have 4 bolts on the slider. Also, be careful about how you approach the modification of the car. Too much power on a stock suspension will be bad and can easily lead to crashes on the track. I've seen it happen first hand, lots of added power on a stock suspension and tires and he crashed on the first session of the day. Generally speaking you want to upgrade in the following order: tires -> suspension -> power. For the track you'll want racing pads and high temp fluid anyway.

That conversion you did is correct, 12/10 springs are absolutely rediculous on an FC, not even the hardcore racers on super wide slicks go that stiff. On that alone I'd not buy them. They'll bounce you off the road on anything but perfectly smooth pavement. Something on the order of 400 lb/in front and 275 lb/in rear (approximately 7 front and 5 rear in kg/mm) is a good starting point.

njstreetrx7

i had tokico set up / and flex ...megan was the best imo!

sub9lulu

iTrader: (7)

good at what standpoint ?
they ride like a lexus but corner better than a enzo ?

ProChemBroTCM

No offense taken, but I didn't make a comparison. All I know is that I liked the springs I got from them on my ZX2. After doing some research, I learned that those spring rates sound a little over the top, but Tein has rates over 1200 lbs/in for the FD, and again, this car is intended for some track action, not sunday cruisin'. In the power department, I am not looking to go much over stock turboII levels right now, and tires would be great, but she already had almost new bridgestones when I bought the 'vert. I will wait until I have boiled them off or something before I look into new tires. I am curious to see why you say the Megans are so good, nj, when everyone else is saying they are trash.

Black91n/a

Keep in mind that the FD has a high motion ratio, meaning that the spring rate as felt at the wheel is much softer than that of the spring itself. That's why it's springs are stiffer.

Zar

As said prior, it's pointless trying to find exact spring rates and transfer them over. Every car will respond differently.

Megan Racing is crap. If you like to build up a crap car, then by all means go ahead. But don't come back complaining when they aren't up to par. There is a reason why they are so cheap. Quality is horrible as is performance. Only people who support MR are the people who haven't seen better.

I suggest saving up a little more and buy quality links/coilovers. You'll be happier and a richer in the end.

ProChemBroTCM

Ah yes, the wisdom of Zar is infallible. I certainly understand the whole "cheap parts = broken ****" equation. Yeah, I guess that I will probably end up going with the Tein suspension. Right now, the big thing on my list is drivetrain acquisition. I found a turboII motor and tranny nearby for pretty cheap. Hopefully it still runs, but if not, I'll just end up rebuilding it anyway.

Black91n/a

Remember the age old saying: "Fast, reliable, cheap, pick two."

There's a reason people pay what they pay for good suspensions. After tires shocks are the most important part of going fast on track. They're extremely complicated and even the very best ones aren't perfect, but they're a heck of a lot closer than the bargain stuff.

njstreetrx7

megan racing coilovers are 1200 << i dont consider this cheap!!

Black91n/a

Well when you compare it to other stuff with comperable construction, features and so on that are known to be good and they're $2000+ then yes, that is cheap.

njstreetrx7

ALOT of Known name brand quality coilovers are in that price range such as tenabe, apexi, stance, tein ect....megan racing coilovers are good quality. but its understandable that people do not take them for that because of NAME BRAND!

Black91n/a

I'm talking about other adjustable monotubes, not twin tubes, which are cheaper to make. Coilovers without adjusters are also cheaper to make. Lets compare apples to apples here. Look at the good Tein monotubes (RA for instance) and they're in the range of $1700+. Stance is also a startup company and I wouldn't put them in that list just yet, I group them in with Megan and K-Sport. The good, adjustable monotube Apexi's are expensive, as are the Tanabe's. Sure these companies make budget versions, but they're not going to be quite as good. There are some quite good setups available on a budget, but I'd go for something that has been proven to perform well and be durable from a company that I know and can trust and that will offer support and service within North America.

Based on those criteria I went with Tein Flex.

ProChemBroTCM

The whole reason I was asking this question is because I found those Megan coilovers on ebay for about $300 cheaper than their website. No way would I pay $1200 for some no-name coilovers, even if they made some good springs for my ZX2. The thing is, when I asked the seller about some special deal he mentioned in his auction page, he said to buy it from him off ebay for the discount, and the red flag went up, and then it caught on fire. Ebay is bad enough about shady deals, but when you go from a shady ebay deal to an even shadier off-ebay deal, you can count me out.

By the way, how do you pronounce "Tein?" Is it teen, tain, or tee-in?

PhatManBUD

pronounced "TAIN" like Main with a T


megans are the same as Apexi EVX or whatever

Black91n/a

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! They're not, they just copied the look. That's a complete crock of $hit internet legend.

aznpoopy

that rumor has been debunked so many times its not even funny

please stop the spread of misinformation

bdubs

any one have any real proof, like shock dynos, that megans are crap. It seems like the people that own megans like them. The people that have never owned megans say they suck because of thier name.

I'm sure they are not the best, but for $900 they are a big bang for the buck.

chucklaw

I just bought a set on ebay for $860 shipped. I'll let you know how they feel. I'm not a race car driver, so my opinion might not be very reliable. But I can tell you how they feel on the street.