thewird

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I was trying to think about what coil-overs I could upgrade my Koni yellow+H&R springs combo to. I realized there are so many options both expensive and cheap that people are happy with. I even looked into the Moton's suspension which my mechanic has in his race car that cost a shitload of money ($7-9k i think).

So I decided to open a thread. If money was no object, what would be your options for a full daily driver that see's a lot of track time. Obviously has to be adjustable for street and track use separately. Electronic would be nice but not really important. Is it possible to make the Moton's streetable without taking away what makes them good at the track?

Opinions please

thewird

DaleClark

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Do some reading on Howard Coleman's posts - he's done a LOT of work with FD suspension and track use.

In general, you don't really need a full-bore pricey setup to have a superbly handling car. If memory serves, he really likes the entry-level Tein coilovers, along with diff bushings and rear trailing arm bushings or solid trailing arms.

Dale

thewird

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Got the full 24 piece superpro bushing set installed. Maybe I should have posted this in the race car section.

I remember reading Howard's posts about it and if I remember correctly he mentioned you don't need to spend a lot of money to get a good handling suspension. I'm fairly happy with my existing suspension which is why if I were to upgrade it, I would want to know what my complete options are without looking at prices to know which is the best improvement I can make. Since its my daily street car, I have to be very careful since it needs to be able to drive on the street.

I wouldn't mind having a coil-over that its softest setting was as stiff as the Koni's firmest setting if that ment it would perform much better on the track firming it up.

It just seems all the feedback in this forum is for the cheaper coil-overs (which aren't cheap but compared with everything available are). Was hoping to get some feedback on the expensive hardcore stuff if possible.

thewird

azn akira

if money was no object moton 3way adjustable dampers with custom rate swift springs

thewird

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Can you give a little more info on this?

thewird

azn akira

i've been in a car with jrz's (with is basically the same thing as moton) and i was amazed at how well the dampers worked even with pretty stiff springs. the 3 way dampening will give you good adjustability and you will be able to fine tune the dampers.

thewird

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Do you know what his spring rates were? Was this with an FD?

thewird

azn akira

it was in an s2k, the spring rates were like 16kg iirc. my friend has an s2k with tein src's and 14/14kg spring rates. the jrz's felt like it handles the rates better

Miata_mx5

If money was no object, i would have Scoot make me suspension per application. The owner of scoot used to be a suspension engineer for the F1 McLaren team. That is their speciality anyways...Rx7 Suspension. They have everything in house to make dampeners, including shock dynos, and everything.

He can make anything depending on power, weight, type of track.

This would be my choice.

Only drawback is depending on KM of use, and the harshness of conditions, it may need to be overhauled by Scoot themselves.

thewird

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Think I'm gonna give Moton a call sometime during the winter. Thanks.

If anyone else has any input feel free. The more the merrier as they say.

thewird

thewird

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Now Scoot is not something I would have thought about. I'll have to look into it more. By any chance do you know if he's done that to anyone before?

thewird

purerx7

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Re-Amemiya Quantuum coilovers or Augusta.

90FC

Why would you want race coilovers (anything 5-10k is) on you daily driver? They would be very stiff, would need to be rebuilt often, and there not meant to handle every day abuse. It would be a huge waste of money is far as I'm concerned.

I'd stick with what you have, and have them revalved or something IMO.

thewird

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Because I can... notice the "money no object" in the thread title? Not all of them are stiff like rocks.... Maybe I should mention that I don't need to go out every day to my job since I work from home so my daily driver is really more of a go out with friends, midnight cruise, and weekend track car...

Anyone have any details about the Re-Amemiya Quantuum coilovers and Augusta?

thewird

90FC

The only advantage your getting with "race coilovers" is better accuracy and fine tuning. So unless your trying to win races, or squeeze every last milisecond off your lap time, or have nothing else left to do on your car, or show off to your friends, I'd save my money.

thewird

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Save your money! http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ny28QqPDcXM

Money is no object for the purposes of this thread...

thewird

R-R-Rx7

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Hypermax 3 sport allll the way

thewird

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More info please.

thewird

Specter328

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I have read that unless you know what you are doing in way of setting up the dampers on a car the more adjustability you have the easier the handling performance can be messed up. You may have the proper knowledge or have someone setting the car up with the knowledge in which case disregard this but if not its something to think about.

Edit: Though if that doesn't apply, HRPWorld.com is a Moton distributor and lists 2, 3, and 4 way adjustables for the FD. http://hrpworld.com/index.cfm?tpc=Mo...ction=category

R-R-Rx7

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30way adjustability, the softest can be a bit harder than the stock suspension and completely enjoyable..
and the hardest can be taugh.. VERY TAUGH. what else would you want?

The car is mainly used on street and that is the most important to me.

The only negative is that you cant adjust the dampening adjustability electronically.. but its not something i consider you cant live without.

As for the re-amemiya.. even though i havent tried the quantum but i wouldnt think its much different to the greddy re-amemiya.. Once it has a re-amemiya logo the price doubles for absolutely no reason if you are asking for my opinion..so why not just buy the type S greddy?


And at 1800 or so from hks i dont think they are very expensive compared to some other ones, even though you are saying that money is no object

Specter328

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Quantum dampers are some of the best in the world, the RE-A Street Coilover is completely different and not comparable to the Quantum unit. What the OP is asking for is race coilovers essentially, the HKS units are very nice but not all out race coilovers (I wouldn't mind having the HKS coilovers myself).

To the OP, I forgot to mention in my previous post that Tri-Point sets up double adjustable Penske units for the FD.

R-R-Rx7

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Well, thewird wants a compromise for street and track if i get it right from the first post.. I think the hks is the best compromise for both.

I havent used the quantum so i wouldnt know as i have mentioned in my previous post. i have tried the re-amemiya greddy and the greddy type S and havent felt any difference

thewird

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Well I compiled a little list... Anyone know why the QUANTUM rear springs are stiffer then the fronts or if that's possibly just a typo and it's the other way around?

As for what I'm looking for, is something that will perform excellent on the track and be acceptable on the street. ie. I won't dislike a 1 day drive to the DGRR from Toronto, Canada for example.

thewird

Miata_mx5

The Scoot dampers would be about 3500-4000 USD + shipping.

Depending on usage and road conditions, they may need to be overhauled frequently.

I will find out more and let you know.

money

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if RE- AMemiya can use Quatum RS on their car.. then.. u should consider it also. ( the ride isn't so bad for street use , but one of the best for track )

however, u can also look for Ohlin coilover.. it's also good ( if i'm correct, i think Knight sport use them )