photopaintball

I have an 86 sport model and its stripped and currently has about 9 inches of ride height above the ground.

When I had the older tires and stock rims it would break free before the body would even start to roll. I haven't tried it yet with my 255 kuhmo supra's but I think that the suspension will be stiff enough.

You guys have any recommendations on good shocks and springs that are cheap?
keyword: cheap

-Noah

Jaiyurai

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KYB AGX shocks with (RSR, Swift, Tanabe) springs.

Black91n/a

No springs will lower the car more than about 2". After about 1" below stock you need to buy more parts to compensate for the camber gain in the rear or you'll eat tires in no time.

rynberg

^^^^ listen

Why do you NEED to lower the car 3 inches or more?

photopaintball

I just want to lower it TO stock, mabey more later. Right now, as i said, I have about 9 inches of ride height because its stripped and the stock springs are holding it up there.

Its so high that I can grab the tranny tunnel and pull myself under the car when its sitting on the ground. These are stock springs remember.

I'm machining some camber adjusters so no worry there.

what do you think?

rynberg

How much weight did you strip out of it? Even 200 lbs wouldn't raise the ride height more than 1/2" or so (if I recall n/a FC spring rates accurately).

aznpoopy

i believe its 95 front 90 rear.

i'm also curious as to what was removed from the car.

owen is fat

are your tires taller than stock?
buying tires with a shorter sidewall ratio may be an answer for you and cheaper in the long run, once you buy shocks/springs and get an alignment are you stilll gonna want new tires?

and ewww, kumho supras..... hard as rocks.

you might be best off with kyb agx's and some ground control coilover sleeves so you can adjust the ride height and order specific spring rates, do some research and order the right ones first instead of ordering their off the shellf FC setup because you probably want a stiffer rate even if its 50 lbs more than off the shelf it will make a difference. I think 350 front and 275 rear is about what tein flex rates are and these are very friendly yet can be stiff enough at the shocks full stiff setting like you can achieve with kyb agx.

good luck

photopaintball

I read a lot of bad things about the kyb agx's. I plan to beat on this car and it might be worth it to get some koni yellows, they arent a ton more money.

I am running 255/40/17's on 35th anniversery mutsang rims. Tire is about an inch more in diameter.

I took out everything... I am planning on putting a small cage or roll bar in the car at a later date.

Ill take a pic for you guys

photopaintball

i would lower it if i was gonna rally

rynberg

Wow, are you 100% sure those are OEM springs? Something is definitely wrong. Like I said, even removing 200 lbs of weight would only raise the car 1/2".

JWteknix

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wow

Black91n/a

Those are probably 245/45/17's in the pic? Those are taller than stock, so that'll contribute. Did you just lower it back on the ground? The suspension needs to settle back down. Roll it back and forth a bit and it should lower some.

photopaintball

It might be a 245/45 because its not a supra its a pilot sp. It does have a 100 percent tread though. I will measure the other side.

I dont see why the springs wouldnt be stock but they are VERY stiff compared to what I am used to. I figured it was because it was a sport model.

The shocks are very shot and this was shot days after it was lowered.

Sgt. Pepper

What have you heard about the AGXs? I've only heard good thing about KYB AGX, great adjustable shocks for the price. I have them and have no complaints with them, but i've only had them on for maybe half a year and only 1 autoX event so far. If you can afford the Koni Yellows though I would go with them, I hear they are real good shocks. Koni > KYB AGX > Tokico Illumina, from what I read.

Josh18_2k

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theres no way those are oem FC springs in there.... some a-hole before you prolly put the wrong springs in somehow. ive never seen an fc anywhere near that high, even without drivetrain.

photopaintball

I heard that they blow out if tracked a lot, and that they only work with mildly increased spring rates.

I'd get them if I was a normal person, but I tend to abuse my cars. Like in my spare time I run up this mountain road and ramp the car over crests at high speeds at night. I really don't want to go off the cliff or something. How smart would I feel then?

Anyone know how to check if my springs are stock? I honestly think they are, I got the car for like 600 bucks and kept what was worth keeping, but you never know.

aznpoopy

clean it off and take a look. aftermarket springs will tend to have some fancy shmancy color on the spring. some have a brand label and/or a serial number. stock springs will be plain looking and very rusty... at least out here.

i would guess a previous owner threw on some springs made for another car.

photopaintball

fronts:
the shocks are blue and the springs are black with a painted white dot on them

rears i dont know yet

photopaintball

Rears are black with a yellow dot, I am pretty sure they are stock. I think the big thing that made my stripped car so light is the fact that it has no exhaust.

I dont really want coilovers, but I might have to do it...

jgrewe

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Why not shrink the springs you have? If the spring rate is OK for now, I'd go that route.

You'll need a couple pieces of 1/2" or 3/8" thick steel and some 5/8" threaded rod with nuts. Double nut one end plate on the rod and put the spring on and then the other end plate. Compress the spring to coil bind using cooking oil on the threads, throw it in the oven at about 450F for an hour and then let cool. You should lose about an inch or a little more. Do the other spring for the same amount of time and you'll be done.

sleeepyhead

i have kyb agxs and so does my friend who ran up a curb at 60mph with them. They bent and the top of the shock casing is domed by the force. His brake rotor shattered, sway bar mount, broke, the lower control arm right angled, etc. But the shock didnt leak and still responded to adjustments. We tested a good agx with the bad one and both extended at the same speed on every adjustment, it acted as if it didnt suffer a huge blow, but since it was visually tweaked we still tossed it. If a kyb agx is a weak shock, id like to see a strong one.

photopaintball

i searched here and found a few examples of failures, the only reason i leaned toward konis is because they are so well known

It will probably come down to whatever I can find cheaper.


So basically deforming the springs from heat? That seems really dangerous to me.

The other tire is a 245/40 and the other 3 are 255/40. They are all about an inch in diameter larger than the stock tires

jgrewe

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The only dangerous part is when your wife or mother comes home and sees a coil spring at full compression in her oven. I first did this when still living with my parents, I found out how good my mom was at math when she did a quick calculation in her head and told me how much energy was stored up in that spring in her oven.

Other than that, just use the size materials I listed and you won't have a problem.

photopaintball

i searched here and found a few examples of failures, the only reason i leaned toward konis is because they are so well known

It will probably come down to whatever I can find cheaper.


So basically deforming the springs from heat? That seems really dangerous to me.

The other tire is a 245/40 and the other 3 are 255/40. They are all about an inch in diameter larger than the stock tires