ErnieT

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Anyone know if Koni makes coilovers? And how much and where I can buy them?
Thanks,
Ernie

DamonB

Abso-friggen-lutely. You want the Koni 28 or 30 series. The 28 is similar to a Penske.



Head over to www.tripointengineering.com and speak with them about building some.

ErnieT

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Thanks!

Last question.....I know those are mainly for road racing. Are there a set that you think I could use for drag racing or do ya think that any would do?

ptrhahn

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I'm not necessarily familiar with the differences in setup for a drag as opposed to road-race suspension... but i do know that the koni's are EXPENSIVE, and it could be that you'd be paying alot of money to NOT use them for their intended purpose (road racing)

Could it be that you'd actually see more benefit with one of the cheaper japanese "drag" coilovers? I believe HKS, for one, has a set specifically for it.

ErnieT

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The HKS setup is $2100....I was trying to spend about $1400 or less.

DamonB

I know for a fact having the Konis built up will be more than twice that...

ptrhahn makes a good point too. I would think in a drag application you'd want boat loads of rebound; probably more than in a roadrace application. That's me guessing though; believe what the successful drag guys are saying.

True race shocks like the Koni 28 are built for a very specific vehicle application, they are not off the shelf. Whatever characteristics are needed within the adjustment ranges can be added when the shock is built, but I have no idea where to start with a drag car.

doncojones

Were you perhaps referring to this? http://www.koni-na.com/konikit.html

DamonB

Those are basically just Koni yellow adjustables with threaded sleeves. I currently have yellows, but they are not a true race coilover IMO. You can't beat them at $450 a set though; I'm looking at spending more than five times that to upgrade to true DA race shocks!

OC_

i got a quote for $2700 a CORNER (read $10800) for the 28 series for my FC. They are double adjustable and ment for road racing.

in2twins

You guys suprise me, Ernie, go to True Choice. Koni make the widest variety of drag shocks I know of. Yes they also make road race shocks(obviously). My kid cut up my true choice catalog, but single adjustable drag coilovers start at 125.00 a corner, less spring. They go up to a grand a corner for electric ones that sense the loadas and adjust automatically(as in funny cars, and Pro stock), they even have the ability to change there charateristics from launch, to traveling down the 1320 automatically. Also, OC, look at Motons, they are ~5000.00 for the FC and have a far wider range of adjustment than most anything else out there( I have a hook up if you are serious). For you road race guys, if your set-up is dialed, and you will not be making any major changes, then I would buy(and I am) the Ground Control Advanced Design Dampers, these are awesome double adjustables, custom built for your car, you send them the application, and your actual corner weights, and they build the damper. Those are 400.00 a corner, and can be configured for Drag racing as well, in fact some of the 9 second Supras are running the the GCAD setup.
I could go on for twenty pages, but in a nutshell, I would contact True Choice. They also have complete packages on the Konis, single or double adjustable from 800.00-12000.00 a set. Later, Carl Byck

BATMAN

I have to agree with DamonB.

I have a set and love them.

There was some article that used the latest Konis on a FD and other brands and the Konis was 2 secs faster on the track.

www.truechoice.com makes great Koni kits.

reza

I think you can try get the HKS ones thru Chuck, rotaryextreme. See how much he quoted you. I saw some HKS on his website, maybe he can get you one from japan.

in2twins

Damon, you can have True Choice(or GC) convert your yellows to DA for ~200.00 a corner, thing is, I have never seen a comparison of shock dynos between the GCAD, and the DA yellow conversions. I'll bet Jay over at GC could give you an idea though.

reboot

I have Konis on my Tri-Point car....

redrotorR1

Prices I got from Tri-Point a while back ....

28-series with customer specified spring rate and valving - $1200 per corner
30-series with customer specified spring rate and valving - $700 per corner

Note: coilovers with the 30-series is a little tricky because of the mount on the 30-series. Basically, Tri-Point has to weld on some tabs for the rears.

Guy Ankeny (Ankeny Racing Enterprises) can build you custom Penske 8100 coilovers for $3500/set. Same deal ... customer specified spring rates and valving.


I definitely don't think you need all this stuff, ErnieT. If drag racing is your schtick .... I would stick with some off-the-shelf Bilsteins or Koni Sports and have them re-valved to your liking by Pro-Parts or True Choice. MUCH, MUCH cheaper.

ErnieT

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Thanks alot! You don't have a website for True Choice, do ya?

DamonB

Those aren't the numbers I got last season. You could have them rebuilt and custom valved for that, but converting to DA was quite a bit more. Don't remember exactly how much off the top of my head. It was a big enough increase that I immediately decided not to convert the Koni but to go with a Guy Ankeny Penske, Koni 30 or a Koni 28.

redrotorR1

Ditto on that. Pro Parts was $150 per shock to re-valve .... $400 per shock to convert to DA. And with that conversion, you still have to adjust compression on the shock body (IOW, a really big PIA).

Also, Koni Yellows are twin tube design ... so re-valving them is still not going to get you the sensitivity of a true-monotube shock ... ala 28- or 30-series. But for ErnieT's application, not really a big concern.

DamonB

Exactly. If I'm going to have a couple grand or more in shocks they will be monotube. That's what sealed it for me to not convert my Koni yellows.

BATMAN

does using a true racing Koni set have any advantage over the regular yellow ones for street usage?

take in mind that road conditions are often shitty more often than not.

DamonB

Not IMO. If someone had aftermarket springs they could still get a plain yellow Koni custom valved (still a good deal; you'd have custom valved SA shocks for just over $1000 at that point. With Tein, JIC etc you're just stuck with what the shock comes with) if they were ****, but there's no reason to go to DA monotubes unless you're really serious about the car's performance. You wouldn't be able to use the adjustability and capability of a real race shock on the street anyway; you wouldn't have the opportunity to notice the difference.

BATMAN

i'm running ground control 450 ft and 350 rr with it
love the way it drives.

M104-AMG

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FWIW, I checked into the DMS dampers.

The 40mm dampers are $2299 for a set, and 50mm dampers are $3325 for a set.

Anyone have experience with them:

http://www.dmsnorthamerica.com

40mm


50mm (independent double adjustable)