autopaul

ok ive been looking for a deal on suspension forever and finally a friend of mine works in the buisines. so i got him to check a few prices and he said k-sport would be my best bet,,,


aperently theyre 32way adjustable,, full coilovers with camber plates on the front,,

(for an fc )

just wondering are these coilovers worth 1000$ ? or should i try and get some buddy cclub or something a bit more expensive...

i wont have this deal forever as hes already looking for another job,,, so i need to make up my mind..

thanks

Paul

Catharsis

no they are D2, and D2 are crap.

autopaul

whats wrong with them, do they blow out and not last long,, bad springrates,,,? should i go for buddy club instead,, is there any sort of coilover in my pricerange of 1000$$



i mean theses look alright,,

http://www.ksportusa.com/products/kontrolpro.html

heres the price list

http://www.ksportusa.com/products/us...lications.html

so ksport is the same as d2, ? and d2 are crap,,

the company also carries buddy club for a bit more expensive,, and id rather a good product,,

thanks for the help

Paul

autopaul

http://imageinmotion.com/categories.php?cat=21


link to the suspension products i have to choose from,, i want something,, in the range of 1000-1600$$ and i dont want it to break on me,, (more daily driver, than all out race)

thanks again

Catharsis

please refer to the budy club thread. and yes D2 = Ksport = crap and buddy clubs are great. i explain it all in the other thread.

autopaul

k thanks "catharsis" , i just wonder what makes the k sport/d2 so bad,, i read the buddy club thread about having to replace the units on a friends car every 6 months, but that was on a fd right?

are there people saying the same thing about fc d2 or k sport suspension, cause ive been reading a few different threads, and theres mixed reviews on the ksport/d2 coilovers,,, i just want to clarify,, cause some people are saying that they are running strong on d2,, and that a bad batch of them were made and most failed,,, (blowouts needing replacement)
and others claim that all d2 and k sport are crap,,, and that they are not worth 1300$$

now do the blowouts happen because the cars are being abused and shitkicked on a regular basis or is it just regular wear and tear that doesnt allow them to last.,..

i also am slightly nervous about getting suspension because i dont want something with the highest pringrates as my car is allot lighter wieght than most fc and may require custom valving,, the car when completed will wiegh about 2400lbs.,. givertake,, (not to get off topic or anything)
i am just looking for reliable coilovers that will come close to suiting my aplication,, and not be overly pricey,, (yea i know its a tough combination,,) which is why i need some professional advise,,

thanks "Catharsis" your posts (old and new) have been really helpfull,

one more quick question,, which of the following companies actually make descent coilovers in my pricerange,,

megan

yonaka

silkroad

KTS

Catharsis

no it wasnt on a FD, it was on two S chassis, s14 and s13. Again these cars that i work on have had the units replaced, so there goes the bad batch idea. These cars are maintained very well, a coilover should not blow in 6 months, period. In the time these cars have replaced thier coils 4 times each, my old s13 is still on the same god coilovers i purchased.

The reason i say that the D2s are bad is the valving, this is what makes or breaks a coilover in the end, and they d2/ksport is crap. they are over ajustable, if you cant feel the differance between setting there is something wrong.

Any coilover with a good range in dampening will be fine and should support a lower spring rate should you wish.

Again my choices are KTS or Buddy Club for the money.

I have no experiance with Yonaka coils so i can not speak regarding those request some strut dynos and then go from there.

Peace
Tyler

autopaul

hey thanks tyler,,, i will look into my price for buddy club,, thanks for the help,,

i wont argue with you cause it seems like you have experience in the suspension world,, so i'll just take your word for it,,

tanks again,,,
-Paul

Quickfini

iTrader: (6)

THey might also be blowing since they're full aluminum and monotube. Twin tube designs are more durable, especially for street use. Vancouver streets aren't very flat.

Catharsis

still the dampning is crap, and should last over 6months

the_saint

FWIW there are guys in the Sentra world (yes not a sports car) running K-sports without problems for over a year.

Is it with 100% certainty that D2 = Ksport? I have read otherwise, although I have not held and dismantled both with my own hands.

Catharsis

yes exact same thing.

autopaul

mixed messages again,,, i just checked my prices again,, and its gonna cost around 2500$to get a set of buddy clubs for the fc,, now,, this might seem crazy, but i may just go for the k sports, cause theres no way im going to pay 2500$$ for suspension,, 1100$ plus taxes and what not was pushing it for me,, i just wanna hear from people with fcs cause i dont know what to think about k sports anymore,,

strange thing is,, from the same company d2's are listed for 1600$$ where as k sports are only 1300, so is that like paying an extra 300 for a different paint job and sticker,, same product,, ?

i still have a hunch that ksports may last longer on a car not so heavy,, less stress put on the shock,,, maybe thats why other cars like sentras seem to last longer,, (just an idea)

thanks again...

-Paul

Quickfini

iTrader: (6)

Ksports are 32 way adjustable, and the D2's are 36 way. I don't know what else is different with it though.

One of my friend's has Ksports on his 240sx actually, and the dampening adjustment isn't really 32 way. It's pretty much infinite like the Koni Yellow shocks, making it more difficult to adjust it accurately imo. Apparently Ksport is making some sort of EDFC like Tein already has, which will allow for the 32 way. But if you don't get it, it's pretty much useless to have "32 way" adjustments. Why not go for something like Tein??

autopaul

i dont see what the big deal is about having extra adjustmen,,, who knows maybe its just a sticker that instead of having 16 increments its got 36, who cares,, then just change the settings by 2's instead of 1 click at a time,, unless there is some huge downfall to having 36 way adjustability,,, am i missing something..

is there such thing as a good coilover in my pricerange,, (the area of 1000$$)) or am i kidding myself by trying to get a descent setup,,

Quickfini

iTrader: (6)

^ I mean there's no clicks. It's infinite like Koni Yellows.

Catharsis

uhhh... if you are going to pay 2500 for buddy clubs your looking at the wrong places.

Go for some KTS theya re real good if you want to stick to the $1000(usd) range. TO get something decent in the $1000cdn range go with some koni yellows and spings.

autopaul

do the kts have adjustable camber plates, cause thats something i need, i looked into the koni/spring setup and its not going to be worth it,, especially with how much im lowering it, and without camber plates,,, could i get some links to good places to buy suspension,,

i guess i am looking at the wrong places then, are there sites that you recomend purchasing from?

you really think that koni's with springs (not meant for the konis) would be a better setup than complete coilovers even if they arent the greatest,, cause im getting some truly mixed messages,, and i truly dont have enough experience in suspension to make a descision like that,,
,, my thoughts are still that with a lighter car less load/stresses will be forced onto the suspension,, therefor perhaps increasing the longevity of the coilovers (correct me if im wrong) ,, plus from what ive been hearing there arent many problems with longevity on other cars other than what you mentioned about s13 240's (not that i dont trust you) but thats just one car,, can somebody with an fc running this suspension please tell me how its going for them?


1000$$ and change is allot of money to spend for allot of people and hopefully the information here can help others make wise descisions as its helped me,, i was about to go through with k-sports until you said theyre crap,, and am holding out untill i decide otherwise or find something better around the same pricerange

thanks again
-Paul

krackerx7

iTrader: (1)

megan is just ebay ****, ive heard good things about silkroad. I havnt heard a thing on yonaka's

Pat McGroin

My borthe rbought Megan racing full coilovers for his 240sx, and I must say their damn good.

The thing about 32 way is not coming to mind right now, it's not actually 32 settings, but you're adjusting something else, I totally forget right now. Either way, it's something that if you don't know how to tune you don't even need to worry about it.

Also, the factory that produces is called VH racing, this is the same factory that produces Apex EXV coilovers. So in essence you're buying Apex EXV coilovers, just rebadged as Ksport. A lot of the JDM suspension companies outsource production for their coilovers.

Either way, they're damn good for the price, they come with pillowball mounts. Perfect for the daily driver who likes to ocassionally race/auto-x.

Pat McGroin

Silkroads are alright, but for the performance they're overpriced, and when they're blown, you're gonna pay and arm and a leg to have them rebuilt in Japan.

Don't knock a product if you haven't tried it, and don't put your trust in a JDM product just because it's JDM.

One last thing, the springs on my brother Megans look to be Eibach serial numbers so that is a plus.

There's too much heresay in this thread, Ive heard this and heard that BS.

autopaul

whats soo bad about ebay parts, you can buy tien flex off ebay too,, or kybs or konis or tokicos (the last three arent coilovers but still most people recomend them)

so is megan the same as ksport now too? im pretty confused, has anyone here even tried these products on thier fc? seems like the only one with valid information about any of these products is Catharsis" and its not even about fc's

hey Pat McGroin just wondering how long your brother has been running them on his 240?

how long in general do coilovers tend to last,, when babied,, aka not driven fast over huge potholes and bumps, but still ocasionally raced or autoxed... nowhere near as long as stock right? whats the longest someones had a "good" set of coilovers on theyre car with no problems or rebuilds

just trying to gain a better knowledge of the whole situation..

-Paul
thanks

Catharsis

This may be true that they out source them and they are made at the same place, and what counts in a coilover the dampning is not the same. Matt "Back" Vass for Enjuku racing was given a set of megans for his car, he used them for a while and then Enjuku purchased coilovers because the quality of valving was not up to par.
And again look how many way ajustable the megan are, 32 way is over ajustabe. When you get that many way ajustable its normally so people who dont know about dampers go "Oh ya well my coilovers are 36 way ajustable and that is more than your coilovers." They also dont make them for the FC.

SilkRoads are very nice. The dampning is much better than most. I have been in about 6 different cars with them. They are what one of my buddies swears by.

but again for the price Buddy CLub, KTS, Silk Road, even the Tein Super Drifts are all great for the money.

autopaul

is there seriousely nobody on this forum running these on fcs? cause for 1000$$ with no conclusive evidence about these coilovers i can be a guinny pig,(actually id rather not) but i would love to know before hand of anyone elses experience with these installed on an fc..

thanks again,
Paul

Pat McGroin

My brother's had them on for a 4 months and no problems. I know the megans are the same as the D2's, just the D2's let you know what settings you are at.

I myself am running Ground Controls on Koni Yellows on my FC. Like I have said, for daily driving and occasional racing they will be good, and they're very comfortable.

Now if you're competitive, I would be looking at Ohlins and Penkse suspensions, but you'll be spending about 1k for each corner.

Just becuase something is on ebay, does not classify it as ****.