supraturbo1987

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I put this in the wheel/tire/brake/suspension, but I haven't recieved any feedback, so I am posting it here:

I am going to a fully adjustable coilover because with my new wheels, the front is too low and is causing rubbing issues. I figure I might as well just get the real thing. I am not autox or draging...just enjoying the car no the weekends basically. I am not looking to drop a bundle, but I ave 3 choices picked out which are:

Apexi EXV coilovers - 1,060.00
Tein SS coilovers - 1,050.00
Megan Racing coilovers - 899.99

All are very respectfully close as far as price is concerned. My initial response is to go with the most popular brand, being Tein, but not sure if that is the best to go with. Any ideas? What are your experiences? Below is a link to the products..hopefully not breaking any rules with the link:

http://www.rx7store.net/category_s/151.htm

Trev

moconnor

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If it is just going to be a street car, how about H&Rs with stock shocks - will lower the car nicely about 1.5" front and rear.

Prometheus

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Tein Flex

supraturbo1987

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I think the car is overlowered...i mean, the back has about 1" or more space, and there is no space on the front...I would really like it level front and back...i know people say that coilovers ride like crap...is this the case entirely?

Trev

thewird

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If thats your reason, I wouldn't get coil-overs. Koni yellow shocks + H&R springs will give you a softer then stock ride on its lowest setting and you can turn it up if you want. It also has 3 height settings. This would probably be the better setup for what your doing.

If you do want coil-overs though, I'd look into Stance Coil-overs.

I've personally driven both of these setups and can say they are both very good and comfortable on the street and even better at the track (with increased firmness).

thewird

Mahjik

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Sounds like your upper shock mounts are shot. Getting those new will raise the car up enough to get rid of some rubbing (providing your fenders are rolled). If you want to get coilovers, get the Tein SS.

Prophet7000

I'm having this issue as well (with Eibach prokit and tokicos) and it looks like the upper shock mounts are shot. Anything else I should be replacing while I'm in there?

Zoolander

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Amazing how there is always someone ELSE out there with the exact same RX-7 issues...... really. After incredible research on my part, I know my front left shock mount is shot. (I'll admit it. At one point, I thought it was caused by the use of one lowering spring by the previous owner. Amazing what a flashlight can reveal. I'm a genius.) All 4 needs to be replaced so why not get shocks/springs or coilovers right? Even if I hardly drive it but do have a goal of auto-crossing with it......

Was looking at the cheapest coilovers - Megan racing vs. shock/spring combo...but I think thewird has me sold. Koni yellows and H&R. (Why not Eibach?) Or I can just get new springs like Moconnor said, to go with my stock rears and tokico fronts (previous owner). The tokicos are missing the adjuster thing by the way and the dial spins continuously.......I digress. But those rears are olddddd. Koni yellows it is.

Prophet, they weren't worn out when you put in the Eibach/Tokicos? Mine are all crumbled and the FL is split in half at one point, hence the 1.5 inch lowering effect.

"Anything else I should be replacing while I'm in there?" How about the clunking? You have it? I have it....so now I have to look at SuperPros because why not right? Replace one replace them all! I love my RX!!! uggghhhhhh.

Looking at $1600 in parts and at least $1200 labor I would imagine. But dam will that ride be smooth! (on a track). Let's all say it together: I looooove ...(pause)....my FD. lol.

thewird

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I haven't personally used Eibach so I cannot comment on what I have not used. I am very happy with my H&R springs + Koni Yellow combo both on and off the track so have no reason to change. If your shocks are toast, upgrading to this combo is like a completely different car, it just feels great.

I'm having SuperPro bushings installed and will get the car back either Wednesday or Thursday (I guess its already Wednesday so hopefully today ). This will probably also be a good upgrade while your in there. If you plan on putting your car under some heavy track abuse, you might want to upgrade the rear links as well.

On another note, If you want to run 10" rims, you need to get coil-overs so they will fit.. 9.5" or below fits on Shock+ spring just fine.

thewird

Brent Dalton

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I think any combo of H&R springs, Eibach springs, Koni Yellow's, and Tokico Illumina's will give you basically the same results. It seems like everyone always uses Eibach's with Tokico's and H&R with Koni's for some reason. It will basically drop the car a little, handle better, and the ride will not be too harsh at all. These are also a good set up for entry level racing.

Here is a couple of pictures of my car with Eibach's and Tokico's. I run 18x9 and 18x10(285 tires) wheels without any rubbing issues and my fenders are NOT rolled. However, this is my track car so I have Tein HA's or Flex's going on as soon as I get back. The Eibach and Tokico's will be going on my VR FD though.




And yes, I know I need to adjust my headlight covers

Prophet7000

The Eibach/Tokico combo was on the car when I bought it so I don't know what the mount condition was when they were installed. No clunking on my car what so ever.

purerx7

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I dont know about that. I have ran 18x10 and 19x10 285 tires on stock springs and suspension without any fender roll. I have had no problems running either set-up.

thewird

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I might have tracking mindset, gives it extra clearance under hard cornering and you can get some more toe

thewird

Zoolander

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Prophet - you're lucky. I wish my ride had no clunking......

It does seem like it's ALWAYS Eiback/Tokicos or H&R/Konis for some reason. That's why I wondered about that.

Is TIEN the only place to get the bushings? I'm on the GB list but it's taking forever and that JK place is sold out of the kits. How much is the install costing you WIRD?

Narfle

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He needs fully adjustable suspension to accomodate his wheel setup. Why don't any of you understand that? I would not get stance or megan coilovers. I have seen shock dyno's that show huge left to right tolerances on a set of shocks. The Apexi or Tein set should be stiff but of superior quality.

Sometimes you do get what you pay for.

Although, you may want to look into a Ground Control kit. You could choose your own spring rate and use street shocks.
http://www.ground-control-store.com/index.php

DriftDreamzSS

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I guarantee you that exv's or tein ss are no where near the quality of Stance. Maybe a set of the high end teins and of course the old tanabe pro7's and N1 pro's were some of the nicest coilovers you could buy(in that price range) but their new line of budget priced stuff is just as bad as megan, probably worse. It makes me really sad because I wish you could still count on Apex to be top notch stuff.

Brent Dalton

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Why? He is not going to be racing his car. As myself and purerx7 have already shown, you can run large wheels without fully adjustable suspension without issue... given you don't have other suspension components that need replacing. If that is the case, you should replace the worn out components first anyways.

The Apexi ExV are made in Taiwan and have 12k/12k spring rates which are pretty stiff for the street. I have no personal experience with these, but I have seen a few blown ones over the last few years.

Zoolander

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Okay. Still cannot decide. Koni yellows and H&R springs are going to be around $900. Tien SS = $1050. I have stock wheels and may go to 17's in the future. Probably will never go over 245's on tire width. Should I just spend the extra money on adjustable coilovers? I don't need/want anything more expensive - really do not need $1500 coilovers. Car is mostly for street and the occasional auto-x. It's going to be a coin flip soon......

Also, from what I've read, are the upper shock mounts OEM only? There are no superior aftermarket ones? Thanks in advance.

Narfle

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Fully Adjustable Ride Height. He wants a tuned stance that a strut package will not provide. period.

Miata_mx5

I would go with the stance for a budget coilover. Stance is an offshoot of ORIGIN, and make great parts with the backing of a larger company.

- Support and Servicing here in the USA.

- Good quality parts for the price.

- It will probably take you a while to learn on the suspension, and these coilovers are pretty stiff. You can also set it up the way you want it as well.

- Performs better than the Tein SS. I had a friend who had the Tein SS on his FD3S, and went to Stance because it performed the same if not better on the track (horse thief mile) for less money.

APEXi and Megan racing use the same manufacterer for their coilovers, and i dislike both ( i like the older APEXi N1 Dampers)

That being said, i am planning on running Stance GR+ Coilovers on my GT-R. I know i can spend a lot more money on Zeals, OHLINs, or SCOOT Sports Dampeners ... but at this point, i would rather learn to drive than just toss cash into it.

KKMpunkrock2011

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I like my tokico illuminas with H&Rs, they ride extremely well and gave me the exact drop I was looking for, i can post up pics as soon as I get my car back from the body shop, the pic in my sig is before the drop fyi

moconnor

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Unless you are going to corner weight the car (or are looking for an extreme drop - which is not the case here) I see no reason to spend $1k+ on coilovers. H&Rs plus a decent set of shocks will run about $600 and will give a nice drop plus a realistic street ride. In fact, H&Rs plus the stock touring shocks are a well proven combination - so $200 will do the trick. The 10 kg/mm+ rates typical on coilovers make absolutely no sense on a street car IMHO.

Zoolander

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Okay, all my research and this never came up. Shocks = about $500, springs = about $250. $750 for shocks/springs so I thought "might as well get Tien SS for $1050." But I know I need new rubber upper shock mounts, 4 @ $60 = $240. If I got shocks and springs and mounts, then we're at $1000.

So I'm about to pull the trigger on the Tien SS and replace my mounts too, but just read somewhere that some coilovers have the mounts built-in. The tech at rx7store just told me that with the SS I can, but don't have to, use the stock mounts, but the SS doesn't have its own. I definitely do not want spring on metal, thanks Howard Coleman et al for that. He said Flex is the next step up, and it definitely has its own mounts. Is this true? If it's SS + mounts, that = $1300, and now I might as well go with flex. (Why is the bottom line price always creeping up?)

Someone please clarify for me. SS without mounts is a no-no. Correct? Flex without mounts....okay and preferred? I really want to keep everything around $1200. I think I really need coilovers too, as my rear right wheel well is a whopping 26.75 inches above ground! Any other coilover not needing new rubber would be a nice recommendation too. Thanks.

supraturbo1987

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I have decided that I am going to auto x the car next year, so I need to get the suspension handled. My back is still MUCH higher on level ground than the front. I rolled the fenders on the front to help. I really am not so certain the upper shock mounts are toast...I assume these are the rubber mounts on top of the strut that gets sandwiched between the strut and the body mount? These are only about 5k miles old if that is the case. Since I am going to be doing the autox, I will need to go with coilovers now.

Azcamel

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have you loooked at the Apex-i N1 Pro? I have that on my car and i have both front and rear tucked, easy to adjust stiffness for track or street, you can go softest setting for a more comfortable (well still stiff) but if you track it you can go full stiff and launch it.