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Old Oct 8, 2003 | 10:55 PM
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Hello rynberg,

Don't want to miss the autocross showoff here...
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Old Oct 8, 2003 | 11:08 PM
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Originally posted by reza
Hello rynberg,

Don't want to miss the autocross showoff here...
Hey Reza, can you post your suspension mods?
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Old Oct 9, 2003 | 01:03 AM
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1993 RX-7 base

suspension:
JIC FLTA2 coilover
Stock front and rear swaybar
mazdatrix swaybar end links
widefoot swaybar mounts with energy suspension bushings for the front swaybar.

tires:
Kumho MX 225/50/16

engine:
K&N filter
downpipe
hf cat
ASP catback
simplified vacuum hoses(running seq still)
stock ECU

spun out

ugghh..don't slide

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Old Oct 9, 2003 | 09:32 AM
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Originally posted by DamonB
To me suspension seems to certainly be one of those things where the more you study it the more you realize you don't know.
Well said, and I say that to myself every time. However, I am learning a good bit from your post I've been reading around the board.
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Old Oct 9, 2003 | 01:01 PM
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as others have said... some roll is to be expected. As long as you're not rubing your front tires on the tops your inner fenders then you're not rolling more than others...

What you want is stick (of course, you're a bit wide of the line there in your 2nd picture..)


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Old Oct 9, 2003 | 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by reza

ugghh..don't slide
You look like you are getting ready to fall over in the car! I bet you sit too far from the wheel.
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Old Oct 9, 2003 | 05:10 PM
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really? hmmm....lets discuss driving position too. I have been having problem with this
I am 5'4" and my arms not longer than my legs. they are about the same.

I have mod my seat to the following:
1. Raise the front bolts about .5 inch and rear about .25 inch. So I can see better out the window.
2. If I adjust the seat front/back so my legs will reach the pedals properly, my head will be too close to the steering wheel, that is what I felt.
Shouldn't we form about 90 degree angle at elbow for correct driving position.

Would a different steering wheel solve my problem?

Reza

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Old Oct 9, 2003 | 05:53 PM
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Don't try that one at home kiddies...



Since everyone else is posting cornering pics, I thought why not.
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Old Oct 9, 2003 | 08:13 PM
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That's because you drive slow like my Granny.
find out when the throttle is not on the floor. i have videos of me drifting and doing a 360 @ about 40 MPH on the track..... i have so many pix and video its scary and my car is slow
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Old Oct 9, 2003 | 09:06 PM
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mahjik, are your front signals smoked?
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Old Oct 9, 2003 | 09:49 PM
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Originally posted by RX7 RAGE
mahjik, are your front signals smoked?
Yes, they are.
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Old Oct 13, 2003 | 03:41 PM
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Since everyone else is posting cornering pics, I thought why not.
I like how you have a vett following you into that corner.
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Old Oct 13, 2003 | 08:41 PM
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Raziel, are you going to more drift events?

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Old Oct 13, 2003 | 10:57 PM
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You people that have upgraded the factory sway bars, did you find a big noticible difference? Im thinking about upgrading mine but dont wont to unless its going to improve the feel and handling of the car. I have never been to the track before but planning too here in the future.
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Old Oct 13, 2003 | 11:38 PM
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Originally posted by Raziel
I like how you have a vett following you into that corner.


Right before the pass.

lol, that Vette. He was a nice guy but he was all over the track. I know he spun out at least 2 times that I saw. No telling what else he did that I didn't see.
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Old Oct 14, 2003 | 12:22 AM
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Originally posted by 93redFD
You people that have upgraded the factory sway bars, did you find a big noticible difference? Im thinking about upgrading mine but dont wont to unless its going to improve the feel and handling of the car. I have never been to the track before but planning too here in the future.
Keep the car stock until you've been to the track or auto-xed at least a few times. You will be simply amazed at how well your car handles when you actually get it in a track situation...it's totally different than the street.
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Old Oct 14, 2003 | 12:26 AM
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Originally posted by DamonB
First off, let's get some facts. Stock FD's do not have stiff springs....
For anyone that's curious, the stock Z06 suspension setup uses 525/714 springs with 30/23.5 mm anti-roll bars.....
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Old Oct 14, 2003 | 01:17 AM
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Originally posted by rynberg
For anyone that's curious, the stock Z06 suspension setup uses 525/714 springs with 30/23.5 mm anti-roll bars.....
Do you know what the wheel rate is?

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Old Oct 14, 2003 | 07:13 AM
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Originally posted by 93redFD
You people that have upgraded the factory sway bars, did you find a big noticible difference?
The difference is definately noticeable but I wouldn't bother unless you plan to compete in some fashion. if I were you I would strongly consider it, but only after doing a few events as the car is now so that you can understand how the bar changes the car.
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Old Oct 14, 2003 | 07:53 AM
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Originally posted by rynberg
Keep the car stock until you've been to the track or auto-xed at least a few times. You will be simply amazed at how well your car handles when you actually get it in a track situation...it's totally different than the street.
this is so true.
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Old Oct 14, 2003 | 11:20 AM
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Body roll is not a bad thing, as long as the suspension geometry is able to accomodate it. Notice in the attached picture how perfectly verticle the outside tire is, despite the body roll. Static camber is around -1.8 degrees.
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Old Oct 14, 2003 | 11:26 AM
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Where'd the attachement go??
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Old Oct 14, 2003 | 11:37 AM
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Originally posted by Alex
Body roll is not a bad thing, as long as the suspension geometry is able to accomodate it.
I know I may seem to be contradicting myself, but if body roll can be avoided it should be. When the car rolls its CG raises along with using up suspension travel which makes the car less able to deal with surface irregularities. It also make transition slower as the car must "unroll" to head the other way.

On one track I crested a hill at 90mph and had to make a left turn immediately after (no braking required). I was turning left as the car was still settling and basically bottomed the right rear with the combination of body roll and the rear end coming down. It's the only time I have been truly startled in the car and I puckered big time while trying to keep the car on course. It never got completely out of hand but I knew it was so close to leaving and the fence wasn't far off. I now know my butt can inhale approximately half the seat cushion
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Old Oct 14, 2003 | 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by Alex
Notice in the attached picture how perfectly verticle the outside tire is, despite the body roll. Static camber is around -1.8 degrees.
That pic is a little misleading. Since the wheel is turned so much the SAI (steering axis inclination) is contributing to the camber gain. Notice how the right rear is tilted way over.
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Old Oct 15, 2003 | 02:27 AM
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Originally posted by maxcooper
Do you know what the wheel rate is?

-Max
Nope and I haven't been able to find it anywhere either....
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