crunshii

Was browsing around to find whats the best ABS system for a 93 FD, not sure if to keep stock unit or to get an after market one like this one:

ROTARYSHACK CUSTOM 3RD GEN FD3S ABS DELETE KITS
http://www.rotaryshack.com/ABSdeletekit.html

which is best, to keep the stock unit or an after market unit? (if after market then is delete kit the best one or do you know a site that sells better units. Did search n hard to find.)

grimple1

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is this a street car or a track car?

crunshii

street, want to use it daily. I honestly don't want to race but good speed runs to rev up once a week or so.

widebodyseven

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Whats wrong with your stock ABS system?

I don't think theres such thing as a aftermarket ABS system and i wouldn't delete the ABS if its a street car.

It sounds like your looking for a good aftermarket ABS system but you post a link about a ABS "delete" kit? So im not sure what your trying to do.

crunshii

Hey S14.3REW,
The ABS unit I have is bad and needs replacement. So was wondering if to get the delete kit as a ABS replacement for regular driving but taking it from your post thats not a choice. So I take I better find the same unit, just not sure where they sell these online.

alexdimen

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Ok... let me get this straight... your current abs unit is not working. So, you don't have abs.

You want to spend $400 on a kit to completely remove your ABS as a solution? In other words, you want to spend $400 to arrive where you are now.

The ABS delete kit is not an ABS kit. As the name implies, it DELETES (removes) your ABS. The only thing you would gain from this is an adjustable brake bias proportioning valve, which can be purchased for $60.

What exactly is wrong with your current unit?

I would look for a used replacement for whatever component is damaged from a reputable seller here on the forum.

Supernaut

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The 2002/type-r is probably your best bet. hwnd sometimes has kits availible. I'll be selling my old abs unit later this year.

Mahjik

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Based on what you posted in this thread, I would not recommend eliminating your ABS. I would recommend troubleshooting the system to find out exactly what is not working, then look to buy a new or used replacement part. If you don't have the tools/time to do the troubleshooting yourself, take it to a decent shop. There are many shops in the FL area which can look at the problem for you and give you options on a repair.

If you want to inquire about used parts, try PM'ing "Fritz Flynn" once you know exactly what needs to be replaced.

hwnd

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You are going to end up hurt if you pimp around town without an ABS unit on the car. If you're doing a legit "Track Only" well thats another matter. I think it's the worst idea EVER to remove the ABS unit from your car. This is *nothing* like yanking the power steering pump. When your wheels lock up, you've lost control.. read that "lost control" over the car.

Every once in a while I am able to get my hands on the 2001 - 2002 ABS computer/pump combos which has Electronic Braking Distribution (EBD) which greatly aids in braking.. head & shoulders above the '93 - '95 ABS pump. The logic on the later model ABS computers are less intrusive on the driver as well. However, these computer/pump combos *never* last. The longest I had one go unsold was about 32 hours - no joke.

Anyhow, please dont remove the ABS unit from your car unless it's a legit "track only" car that will never be driven on the streets.

hwnd

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Oh, if you need a spare pump - I have the highly sought after '95 pump that i'll let you have stupidly cheap.

DaleClark

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I agree with all that's said here. In general, good used stock ABS components are a dime a dozen - the ABS in the FD actually works pretty well, and the ABS components rarely fail.

Find out what you need, replace with used, be on your way. Easy cheesy.

Dale

spanks13

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I honestly do not understand this mentality at all.

While it may not be the best choice for everyone to remove the abs, its not going to instantly cause you to fly off the road or cause 5000 car pileups.

We have a 2003 miata...didn't come with abs. Never once locked up the brakes on the street and never been close to out of control. This includes multiple standard freeway panic stops. That is 2003 as in 10 years after the rx7 was made.

Plenty of cars came standard with no abs.

hwnd

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Thats your opnion and you're entitled to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSqGPyWroes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tSy5tHtT1g

spanks13

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I guess there is a difference if you're just going to mash the pedal and pray to baby jesus or if you're actually going to drive the car

I will say though, my car will never be driven in the wet and certainly not the snow. I'm guessing in Miami the op will have similar driving conditions as I will.

I also realize that pretty much everyone thinks they are a better driver than everyone else and that arrogance quickly gets you in trouble. This may just be one of those moments for me

no_more_rice

Only time I ever had the ABS kick in while driving the FD was coming off an off ramp at about 100+ (running from the cops)....it saved my *** at the bottom of the ramp. That is one time in almost 12 years of ownership, and I never drive the car in rain (where it can be useful with the S2000). ABS is a nice feature, but it's not all that necessary for a weekend toy, either.

DaveW

I agree entirely. I've driven 100's of thousands of miles with no ABS on the street, and never had an accident related to no ABS, and I drive FAST on the street. Of course, I've only had ~6 street accidents total in the 50 years I've been driving, and only 2 were my fault. And, luckily, none of them caused injury or came close to totalling a car. I've had many close calls, and avoided multiple accidents just by paying attention, knowing what my car can do, and doing it. IMO, the main reason for failure to avoid most accidents is distracted driving! It sure as heck is not the lack of ABS.

Enough of this rant.

Supernaut

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That one time is enough to warrant it no? I've never had to use ABS but I'm not going to disable it because of that. If I ever get to the point where I need it just once, its worth it.

grimple1

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I've had to use it a couple of time. I swear to god it saved my ***. dang LA traffic.

I wouldn't take it off if someone gave me $$ equal to the value of my life.

hwnd

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Mine always shined in weather conditions (snow, rain, ice - yeah, i drive my cars in weather)..

I dont care if 1 million people came forward and argued against ABS or proved it wasn't useful 98% of the time its on the car. All it takes is one time, one single time to bang up a car or perhaps death.

Listen, to all you guys out there who dont see my views, I'm cool with it. Fine. W/E. Your car.
But to sit here and say "ABS might not be needed" is pure B/S. Seat belts and air bags aren't needed but once and (very effectively) prove how worthy they are of being in the car.

I dont have a head full of technical info showing that ABS aids the car in stopping sooner or could I spout of numbers or meaningful data proving the value of an ABS unit... however, I will say that for those guys who are in situations where they need MAX braking effort to save a life - it'll be handy.

Dont bother posting some B/S like "I get max braking effort without ABS".. thats utter B/S.
The ABS units CLEARLY enable the car to slow down and in some cases the ABS computers and provide a very good degree of traction control and couple that with steering.. Well my BMW is outfitted with these gizmo's and they've saved my *** countless times in the snow/ice and rainy conditions. I couldn't imagine driving on the road now without the safety aids.

..so go head, rip that **** off. get out there on the weekend and race that car on the highways (you guys know who you are )...

You'll smash your car driving up the value of mine - slowly.

gracer7-rx7

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I've had to use ABS and often. usually in the rain when some dumbass either stops short in front of me b/c they missed the street they wanted to turn on or some other idiotic move.

XLR8

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OP, Fix the ABS issue and move on...

Don't have to reinvent the wheel here.

Deals Gap Rotary Rally

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Don't be stupid and yank ABS. I know some of you think you are next Schumacher but most likely not.

thewird

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I drive without ABS and have had to do full braking on occasion. ABS is a good thing for the masses as it helps in a panic situation since most people on the road don't have real driving instincts. They know how to drive but it comes from thought and not instinct. I track my car literally every other weekend during the summer and can say I have braking instinct without thought.

On more then one occasion, I have been in an "emergency braking" situation where I have had to do full braking and have locked the wheels because I wasn't expecting it and instantly without thinking alleviate the brakes just enough to unlock and continue to feather the brake until "out of danger". Also during that time, I'm not just smashing the brakes. I'm also clutching and downshifting and checking my surroundings in case I need to make a maneuver.

Anyway, I just posted after reading hwnd's post as if your going to kill yourself without running ABS. When you remove your ABS, you are making a conscious decision in what your doing and you have to know what your driving. It also means maybe you should look at your driving ability and see if your ready for it or if your just going to have to be driving cautious.

And on a side note, the 3rd gen abs unit leaves quite a bit of room to brake further. When I still had the ABS unit and was driving on the track I hated it because it would limit how hard you could brake. I could feel the car could brake further but the ABS would kick in. And before you say maybe it was just my unit, since I tune cars locally I drive quite a bit of 3rd gens and I do street tuning with them. The braking on all those cars was the same when stock.

I'm not telling you to remove your ABS but it definitely doesn't make your car a murder weapon because of it. In my opinion the car brakes better without it but I may be biased since I can control it. Most people panic, smash the brakes, and hope for the best in an emergency situation so ABS is good for them.

thewird

RotaryEvolution

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i have driving instinct

what's a brake pedal?

hwnd

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I can understand your post / where you're coming from but I issue isnt people driving without ABS units. I surely dont think that ABS units are god's gift or anything.

My argument, in favor of keeping the abs system, is only for those dumb kiddo' (or adults) who yank pieces off their cars without realizing the impact of a car without ABS in an emergency situation.

On the same token, in a racing environment the racers are much more aware of the potential of danger. They probably arent screwing with an iPod or cell phone (whatever the typical activities are while driving). Racing drivers often are very focused on their job(s) at driving - I dont think the drivers of the Group-C cars had a latte in the cup holder to fumble with.

Again, please understand the context of my argument. I'm not suggesting that a car without ABS is a rolling death machine looking to murder people - I'm *not* suggesting that. I simply want to let the foolish idiots know that there is a major side effect when removing the ABS unit or disabling it. In fact.. to those wanting to yank the ABS unit - simply unplug the harness up front (power and computer I/O - those two big grey plugs) and have a field day in a safe area with the ABS disabled. I found it to be two different worlds.

Again, read this - I'm not suggesting that cars lack-of ABS units are rolling murder weapons. I'm just saying there is no gain to the average driver to remove the ABS units.

Regarding the weekend warrior / racer.. Personally, I don't think two weekends a month makes a race driver. I mean, National Guard sure isn't a US Marine by any stretch.
Though I do think you learn tons of new skills and surely improve driving and fine tune bad habits but surely aren't being sold as Formula driver.

I really don't mean to offend people but this is one system I strongly believe in as it has saved my life a few times (those incidents had nothing to do with my own ability as a driver - but the abilities of others to control their own vehicles) and those in the car with me.

On nice days, the wife loves to tool around town in the go-fast FD - I dont know how I'd be able to live if something I removed from my car aided in hurting her or someone else - to me, its simply not worth the risk.

EOM