apexi n1 dampner
09-04-02, 09:35 PM
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apexi n1 dampner
i was wondering how the ride is? i heard it was really stiff.......but this was from a guy who doesnt have it has seen it or has...welll you get the picture. anyways i was wondering if it would be ok for daily driver use.
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09-05-02, 12:50 PM
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Sorry to sound like a "JIC salesman," hehe but out of all honesty your best riding monotube fully adjustable ride height independent of spring preload, like the N1, is gonna be the FLT-A2. Doesn't matter what anyone says but it is the best and most streetable monotube coilover I've encountered.
Have you seen pics? They look better than the others as well, if that makes a difference.
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Have you seen pics? They look better than the others as well, if that makes a difference.
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09-05-02, 05:28 PM
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my other choice that i am considering is the tein felx with the adjustable buttons inside the car. has anybody tried these??? i am still considering the n1 because i feel i can get a good price on them
09-05-02, 06:10 PM
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Re: n1
[QUOTE]Originally posted by apexkw
[B]my other choice that i am considering is the tein felx QUOTE]
tein "felx" aka FLEX is a twin tube dampener with a very skinny piston and shaft. They are more for Honda boy's trying to lower the ride height regardless of performance.
Your best choice is N1 by APEXi
(really bad ride due to JDM spring and dampener setting)
or
JIC FLT A2 for best performance and still decent ride.
(b-cuz JIC USA actually takes the time to test the suspension on U.S. roads and make necessary adjustments to spring rate and dampening levels to achive a nice ride while still having best handling characterisitcs)
[B]my other choice that i am considering is the tein felx QUOTE]
tein "felx" aka FLEX is a twin tube dampener with a very skinny piston and shaft. They are more for Honda boy's trying to lower the ride height regardless of performance.
Your best choice is N1 by APEXi
(really bad ride due to JDM spring and dampener setting)
or
JIC FLT A2 for best performance and still decent ride.
(b-cuz JIC USA actually takes the time to test the suspension on U.S. roads and make necessary adjustments to spring rate and dampening levels to achive a nice ride while still having best handling characterisitcs)
09-05-02, 06:43 PM
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wow everybody really likes the jic flt a2. i feel like i am on a salesman contact list.....hello??? yes,??? buy the jic or else!!!!!!!....ok...just dont hurt me!!!!!!!.... the jic didnt seem that impresive to me...actually nothing did...but i am still open to suggestions...so i will take another look at the jics' anyways couldnt you just adjust the dampning on the n1 to a softer setting??? wouldnt that make it better???
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09-05-02, 08:30 PM
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what the cusco and HKS???
what about cusco???? HKS???? anybody have these or some links to go to???
i dont know if cusco makes coilovers...maybe zero 2r's??????? are the apexi ones really that bad??????????????? they seem so good
i dont know if cusco makes coilovers...maybe zero 2r's??????? are the apexi ones really that bad??????????????? they seem so good
09-06-02, 01:17 PM
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It's really simple actually. Look up the specs on the all "name brand" coilovers, spring rates and such. Make sure that it's a monotube damper with independent preload and ride height adjustments.
Once you have this info, compare them to the specs and pricing of the JIC's, in my opinion a "name brand" as well. Hasn't been around for as long as HKS or Cusco.
What is impressive to you? Simply lowering your dampening settings won't do much for you if the springs are very stiff and vice versa.
Good luck, RIshie
Once you have this info, compare them to the specs and pricing of the JIC's, in my opinion a "name brand" as well. Hasn't been around for as long as HKS or Cusco.
What is impressive to you? Simply lowering your dampening settings won't do much for you if the springs are very stiff and vice versa.
Good luck, RIshie
09-07-02, 09:39 PM
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I have several friends with several different types of coilovers:
Ivan has the apex'i N1 pro suspension, it is pretty stiff but then again this suspension was made for N1 races in Japan, it handles very very well though.
My other friend has the HKS hiper damper, this one is not as stiff as the N1 or the GAB or the MAZDASPEEDS, and handles pretty well as well, but not as well as the N1 pro, but better than the Mazdaspeed or GABS
Greg(BIGRED) has JIC's, like rishie says, the ride is civilized for the street, and it's well suited for a car that sees mostly street use but for the track I would rather have the N1 pro
I used to have mazdaspeeds and I now I have GABS, I think that the mazdaspeeds are very very streetable and so are the GABS at low stiffness settings
NEOFREAK and VOODOORACING have the TEIN HA and the TEIN RE respectively. The RE is super stiff (895lb springs up front) but you can change the spring rate, while the TEIN HA's are comparable to the Mazdaspeed/JIC's in stiffness.
So what it all boils down to is what you will be using the car for. IF you are a pure track guru, I would recommend the TEIN RE (in RX7 magazine it was rated 2nd for best suspension). Second in handling goes to the Apex'i N1 then the hks hiper damper. The Tein HA's, mazdaspeed, and JIC are all similar in performance and are very good for street driving, but the TEIN is the best bang for the buck as it's only around $1300, while the other two are upwards of $1600.
Oh yeah, the Apex'i, HKS, and TEIN you can adjust the stiffness from the top of the shock strut, the mazdaspeed and gab you have to jack up the car to adjust stiffness, while the TEIN Flex you can adjust the stiffness from inside the car. Don't know about the JIC's though, but at any rate, if any one suspension is too stiff, you can always adjust the stiffness settings to make it softer and near stock stiffness levels.
Also keep in mind no matter what type of suspension you get, the most important aspect in tuning suspension is how it is set up. If you throw on race suspension and your alignment is off then your car will still handle like **** no matter what. TUNING SUSPENSION IS ESSENTIAL TO GOOD HANDLING!!!
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Ivan has the apex'i N1 pro suspension, it is pretty stiff but then again this suspension was made for N1 races in Japan, it handles very very well though.
My other friend has the HKS hiper damper, this one is not as stiff as the N1 or the GAB or the MAZDASPEEDS, and handles pretty well as well, but not as well as the N1 pro, but better than the Mazdaspeed or GABS
Greg(BIGRED) has JIC's, like rishie says, the ride is civilized for the street, and it's well suited for a car that sees mostly street use but for the track I would rather have the N1 pro
I used to have mazdaspeeds and I now I have GABS, I think that the mazdaspeeds are very very streetable and so are the GABS at low stiffness settings
NEOFREAK and VOODOORACING have the TEIN HA and the TEIN RE respectively. The RE is super stiff (895lb springs up front) but you can change the spring rate, while the TEIN HA's are comparable to the Mazdaspeed/JIC's in stiffness.
So what it all boils down to is what you will be using the car for. IF you are a pure track guru, I would recommend the TEIN RE (in RX7 magazine it was rated 2nd for best suspension). Second in handling goes to the Apex'i N1 then the hks hiper damper. The Tein HA's, mazdaspeed, and JIC are all similar in performance and are very good for street driving, but the TEIN is the best bang for the buck as it's only around $1300, while the other two are upwards of $1600.
Oh yeah, the Apex'i, HKS, and TEIN you can adjust the stiffness from the top of the shock strut, the mazdaspeed and gab you have to jack up the car to adjust stiffness, while the TEIN Flex you can adjust the stiffness from inside the car. Don't know about the JIC's though, but at any rate, if any one suspension is too stiff, you can always adjust the stiffness settings to make it softer and near stock stiffness levels.
Also keep in mind no matter what type of suspension you get, the most important aspect in tuning suspension is how it is set up. If you throw on race suspension and your alignment is off then your car will still handle like **** no matter what. TUNING SUSPENSION IS ESSENTIAL TO GOOD HANDLING!!!
hope this helps
09-07-02, 11:11 PM
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hey thanks that is the kinda answer i have been waiting for. just an unbiased answer. thanks alot. also i tried to do a search for spring rates but i couldnt find all the numbers. does any body know where i can do some reading????
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Originally posted by apexkw
[does any body know where i can do some reading???? [/B]
[does any body know where i can do some reading???? [/B]
But every one here has an opinion one way or the other.
call JIC @ 562 803 6122 if you have questions about JIC PRODUCTS... They'll help you out! JIC can be built for any application.. It is not just one size fits all, street /race are seperate.
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09-10-02, 03:28 AM
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The JIC's are adjustable from the top as well. They are not inverted for the FD.
Rishie
I thought I have been giving unbiased answers this whole time. Each time I ask about the individual's needs and make reccommendations accordingly. Guess it took Victor to say what I've been saying this whole time to be viewed as unbiased. Oh well. As long as everyone understands the differences. Thanks Vic for breaking it down like it should be. I completely agree with you on your breakdown.
It's just the majority of the time we have clients who highly emphasize streetability cause they drive their cars on the street more than the track. Hence the JIC reccommendation. It's an extremely comfortable suspension and can still be stiffened up quite a bit. I've yet to break the ten click setting on them, even on the FD. Haven't got the FD to the track so we'll find out after the 22nd I'm sure.
Rishie
I thought I have been giving unbiased answers this whole time. Each time I ask about the individual's needs and make reccommendations accordingly. Guess it took Victor to say what I've been saying this whole time to be viewed as unbiased. Oh well. As long as everyone understands the differences. Thanks Vic for breaking it down like it should be. I completely agree with you on your breakdown.
It's just the majority of the time we have clients who highly emphasize streetability cause they drive their cars on the street more than the track. Hence the JIC reccommendation. It's an extremely comfortable suspension and can still be stiffened up quite a bit. I've yet to break the ten click setting on them, even on the FD. Haven't got the FD to the track so we'll find out after the 22nd I'm sure.
09-10-02, 04:57 AM
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Keep in mind that no suspension system really "sucks" or is worse than stock. The fact of the matter is that 90% of drivers out there though they hate to admit it will not have the neccessary skills to be able to tell the difference between supsension A and suspension B. If you gave the average FD driver a set of TEIN RE's and a set of JIC ALT's, I bet that he couldn't tell the difference in performance. I'm sure magicman would agree that it takes much skill to be able to take advantage of a nice car with nice suspension. Also the most important aspect in making the car handle well is how you set that suspension up. (how you set up the alignment, stiffness settings, etc...). If you have a set of nice coilovers that have crooked alignment and a set of shocks and springs properly aligned and set up, the one that's set up better will handle better.
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This is good intentioned humour, so please take it that way:
Guys, just for the record, "Dampeners" are devices to absorb moisture, such as a diaper.
A Damper is a device to control the springs stored energy.
Mark
Guys, just for the record, "Dampeners" are devices to absorb moisture, such as a diaper.
A Damper is a device to control the springs stored energy.
Mark
09-10-02, 01:45 PM
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magicman i tired going to each website but i couldnt find the numbers i was looking for. i have also tried numerous website.
ard t2 sorry i didnt mean to sound like an ***, after i reread my post i found out that i sounded alittle negative. sorry man.
1fookintitefd i understand what you are saying, and i know that most people will not understand the difference in quality. i just want to get something i will be happy with, thats why i am tryingto get the best answer i can before i buy something. i hate it when i buy something without doing research first because then usually find out that it isnt what i wanted. basically i dont wont to be one of those retards that buys a fd because it looks nice or because they saw it in the fast and the furious, like the guy i bought mine from. god he was stupid
ard t2 sorry i didnt mean to sound like an ***, after i reread my post i found out that i sounded alittle negative. sorry man.
1fookintitefd i understand what you are saying, and i know that most people will not understand the difference in quality. i just want to get something i will be happy with, thats why i am tryingto get the best answer i can before i buy something. i hate it when i buy something without doing research first because then usually find out that it isnt what i wanted. basically i dont wont to be one of those retards that buys a fd because it looks nice or because they saw it in the fast and the furious, like the guy i bought mine from. god he was stupid
09-11-02, 12:38 AM
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1fookintitefd i understand what you are saying, and i know that most people will not understand the difference in quality. i just want to get something i will be happy with, thats why i am tryingto get the best answer i can before i buy something. i hate it when i buy something without doing research first because then usually find out that it isnt what i wanted. basically i dont wont to be one of those retards that buys a fd because it looks nice or because they saw it in the fast and the furious, like the guy i bought mine from. god he was stupid
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1fookn - I do agree with what you said... most guys couldn't tell the diff. what it comes down to is are the products represented well in the USA? and what about rebuild and maintenance parts? these are all high end equipment that takes a little more care than stock units.
I recomend that if you are going to buy a set of coilover suspension you buy ones that come with pillow ball mounts, or you should just buy some koni's (yellow).
apexkw- I have not recieved your phone call here (JIC). I have been waiting for you to call. - T.
dampener, damper.... pampaner, pamper... oops I better get my *** back to my E.S.L. class ...... sorry!
I recomend that if you are going to buy a set of coilover suspension you buy ones that come with pillow ball mounts, or you should just buy some koni's (yellow).
apexkw- I have not recieved your phone call here (JIC). I have been waiting for you to call. - T.
dampener, damper.... pampaner, pamper... oops I better get my *** back to my E.S.L. class ...... sorry!
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Originally posted by 1FooknTiteFD
So what it all boils down to is what you will be using the car for. IF you are a pure track guru, I would recommend the TEIN RE (in RX7 magazine it was rated 2nd for best suspension). Second in handling goes to the Apex'i N1 then the hks hiper damper. The Tein HA's, mazdaspeed, and JIC are all similar in performance and are very good for street driving, but the TEIN is the best bang for the buck as it's only around $1300, while the other two are upwards of $1600.
So what it all boils down to is what you will be using the car for. IF you are a pure track guru, I would recommend the TEIN RE (in RX7 magazine it was rated 2nd for best suspension). Second in handling goes to the Apex'i N1 then the hks hiper damper. The Tein HA's, mazdaspeed, and JIC are all similar in performance and are very good for street driving, but the TEIN is the best bang for the buck as it's only around $1300, while the other two are upwards of $1600.
I've been considering the RE for a track only application but I haven't found any information on them other than the fact that the preload is adjustable in isolation and the spring rate is in the ballpark of what I'm looking for. I have no idea what the piston diameter is or even if it is a monotube for sure.
