what wideband?
06-05-12, 02:46 PM
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If you want to use the output for dataloging, DON'T USE the AEM. I have thrown away my old AEM Uego for an Innovate MTX-L and it's way better. Now I can use the 5V output.
The gauge itself is easier to read, faster to react. Only "bad" point is that you have 4 digits for the value with the AEM, only 3 digits with the Innovate.
The gauge itself is easier to read, faster to react. Only "bad" point is that you have 4 digits for the value with the AEM, only 3 digits with the Innovate.
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06-05-12, 04:22 PM
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If you want to use the output for dataloging, DON'T USE the AEM. I have thrown away my old AEM Uego for an Innovate MTX-L and it's way better. Now I can use the 5V output.
The gauge itself is easier to read, faster to react. Only "bad" point is that you have 4 digits for the value with the AEM, only 3 digits with the Innovate.
The gauge itself is easier to read, faster to react. Only "bad" point is that you have 4 digits for the value with the AEM, only 3 digits with the Innovate.
I also could not use my old AEM to log with my powerFC/datalogit. The Innovate MTX-L I have now is awesome.
I've seen the PLX wideband gauge in a friends car, didn't like it at all, I don't know what the refresh rate is but it looked way too slow.
06-05-12, 06:20 PM
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has anybody ever used the haltech wideband. i was looking at this one because i have the haltech e8 and they should work together. i heard people say they have had two different reading between the gauge and the laptop when wired together but maybe they didnt wire it right.
06-05-12, 08:35 PM
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has anybody ever used the haltech wideband. i was looking at this one because i have the haltech e8 and they should work together. i heard people say they have had two different reading between the gauge and the laptop when wired together but maybe they didnt wire it right.
You will get that with any controller when there is a ground offset.
We've had great luck with the Haltech widebands. Accuracy is good when compared to an ECM lab grade setup. The sensors seem to last well too. In both cases better than our experience with Innovate and AEM.
06-06-12, 03:37 AM
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Either the old display or none at all. I spoke with Eric last week, about the lack of a display gauge for the last year or so, and they're close to having another one available. If you'd like some more specifics let me know and I'll make the call.
As RXSPEED7 mentioned, IMO the NGK AFX is the best option for a budget controller of the ones I've used. The Haltech would be near second mostly because it has lacked a display. Never real happy with the AEM or Innovates I've installed and used. Haven't used a PLX in years, but they seem to generate consistently good feedback. I've only used one FJO and it generated inaccurate numbers as compared to a Autronic Model B, Haltech, and ECM widebands (which all generated readings very close to one another). That's just my experience...
As RXSPEED7 mentioned, IMO the NGK AFX is the best option for a budget controller of the ones I've used. The Haltech would be near second mostly because it has lacked a display. Never real happy with the AEM or Innovates I've installed and used. Haven't used a PLX in years, but they seem to generate consistently good feedback. I've only used one FJO and it generated inaccurate numbers as compared to a Autronic Model B, Haltech, and ECM widebands (which all generated readings very close to one another). That's just my experience...
06-08-12, 02:10 AM
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If you want to use the output for dataloging, DON'T USE the AEM. I have thrown away my old AEM Uego for an Innovate MTX-L and it's way better. Now I can use the 5V output.
The gauge itself is easier to read, faster to react. Only "bad" point is that you have 4 digits for the value with the AEM, only 3 digits with the Innovate.
The gauge itself is easier to read, faster to react. Only "bad" point is that you have 4 digits for the value with the AEM, only 3 digits with the Innovate.
I've had the Innovate LC-1 XD-16 for nearly two years, and it's treated me well. When I burned out two o2 sensors (error 8 on the XD-16), my FD still seemed to run pretty well, to the point that I ran with bad sensors longer than I probably should have. Once I got the "heatsink" bung extender, overheating of the o2 sensor was no longer a problem, because the XD-16 stopped displaying errors. I really have to tout that feature, because it calls a sensor bad when it should, just like the FordMuscle review states. I'm sure other AFR setups would've run with the burned out sensors, because the "bad" sensors seemed to give decent feedback for my FD to run just fine, yet I never would have known otherwise.
One sensor of mine, before installing the bung extender, lasted a few months until one hot day when I had been driving easy, then decided to get on the pedal through gears 2,3,4. Right after that, I saw e08 flashing at me for the next few weeks and calibration would prevent e08 from showing up until I accelerated. It didn't run like a completely trashed o2 sensor, but the Innovate electronics knew that the wideband o2 sensor had lost its brilliance. Give your turbo rotary a strong run on a warm day, and you may burn out your wideband sensor yet never know it if you're running any AFR gauge but Innovate's. I bet FD and FC T-II owners unknowingly burn out wideband sensors more often than they would ever fathom. They'll still function, sure, but they've lost their excellence, like a high-mileage spark plug. Ignorance is bliss if you don't own an RX-7, and likened child-abuse if you do; by that notion, my children will be healthy and spoiled brats. I want to move my o2 sensor down the pipe to keep it cooler without the bung extender.
You can call it biased that Innovate is hosting the PDF for free (rather than subscribing to FordMuscle), but I call it "wow, our product slapped those others around--let's brag about it".
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/r...B_Shootout.pdf
