GUITARJUNKIE28

452 @21? i'm glad you made the numbers...

that looks more like boost creep than breakup.

GUITARJUNKIE28

now yu're getting all butthurt. do you actually know what this compressor is capable of? it's not "off the shelf"...ok, what is it then? how is it modified?

do you personally have any dyno sheets with this turbo, or ar you letting your customers do 100% of the testing for you?

KaoticFdR1

Did you even watch the video or read my post about replacing the w/g with a tial 44mm unit? That was all boost creep from 13psi up.

If you knew the deal ron gaveme on my kit INSTALLED you would think twice.

As far as the dyno sheets to prove it. I was interested in Gothams GR74 kit and when i talked to him about it....it wasn't tested yet or a unit sold.....but the maps and numbers add up was the answer i was given. Ron is a damn genious with this car. Every conversation i have with him i learn some new things.

LUPE

Didn't Ron sell you the AF61R turbo kit, Fuel injectors, rail, resistors, pump and aeromotive fuel pressure regulator for 1800 installed?

Didn't he also built your intercooler piping and install your 3 bar map sensor for free too?

Yeah, seems like Rons really trying to take peoples money.

KaoticFdR1

Such a lying crook he is

But yes that was the deal i was given. ALL BRAND NEW PRODUCTS....1600's, SUpra pump, etc etc

GUITARJUNKIE28

i never said that. i asked how he knew what the turbo could do if he didn't have a compressor map. i'm still waiting for an answer.

and max efficiency of 82%? that's great!!! but where? what flow rate for what boost level.

if you don't know that, there's no way in hell you can say it's 82% efficient on a 13b, ported, or unported at some specific boost level, because you simply don't know. THAT is why you need a compressor map. you can't just look at the compressor housing and say "oh yea, that's big...it's gotta put out power!!one!"

LUPE

Who cares........ it's obvious you're only wanting to cause trouble. There is no better turbo out there for the price.

There is no compressor map so quit asking. It's bad *** turbo. All you're going to get is dyno sheets.

Here is another 420whp @ 14-15 psi sheet. This was done on a TII/pump gas/AF61R combo with a stock cat.

Ignition break up too. Not that you care since you'll just come back on the offensive.

GUITARJUNKIE28

you don't see a problem with this? supposedly 82% efficiency, but god knows where, god knows how much it flows, and god knows what it's capable of. YOU may be ignorant enough not to care about these things, but other people do want to know what they're buying.

so far, all i've seen perfomance-wise puts it on par with a 60-1 ($500 turbo).

let's see what it really does in the upper boost levels.

LUPE

I could care less what the compressor map says. I've driven/road in a AF61R car and it out performed every RX7 I've been in. That includes the APEXi R6, GT35/40, T78, T88, T51R KAI, T04R, T04E, T04S and T-61.

I would really like to see you call me ignorant if we were face to face.

Old Slow Coach

Lupe, I'm sure you know the answer, so would you please state what is the max power the AF61 will support? Thank you.

LUPE

It hasn't been maxed out yet.

Old Slow Coach

How do you think it would compare with the 70mm race turbo you just posted in the FS section, which you say is limited beyond 650hp?

LUPE

Well, I don't know much about DR's AF70. You might want to ask Ron about that one. I know that the one he's selling is dirt cheap though

KaoticFdR1

Maybe we'll find out where the turbo max's out with my car....i'm rebuilding the engine now....I made 452.1 on STOCK PORTS.....the guy i bought my car from lied to me about the street port. So ron is doing a stage 3 street/race port. When i max out the AF61 i plan on switching to a AF70. Bad part about my having to rebuild cause of oil starvation somehow the E-shaft went caput YAY more money down the hole. I also need to add another nippndenso pump and hook it up with some 850's in the primaries and larger fuel line just to make sure i don't drop off on the fuel pressure again at higher boost. There may be something instore for this next tune this summer. But gotta see how my financial and employment situation turns out.

GUITARJUNKIE28

don't try to pick a fight with me just because you're too ignorant to read, or understand the importance of a compressor map.

LUPE

I would really like to see you call me ignorant if we were face to face.

GUITARJUNKIE28

well let's just tear this down a little bit, shall we? let's pretend everything goes your way and you knock the **** out of me good n' proper... let's even say you give me the beating of a lifetime, then you run me over with your car.

after that, you STILL don't know how to read a compressor map, and you're STILL ignorant!

LUPE

Why are you so skiddish? Nobody said anything about beating you up.

GUITARJUNKIE28

yea, i'm sure you'll try to dazzle me with your wit.
just do yourself a favor and stop talking. every post you make makes you look more idiotic.

LUPE

sure thing, pal.

GUITARJUNKIE28

the problem with people like you is you're not intelligent enough to even realise how stupid you sound.

KaoticFdR1

you're the one telling him he looks stupid....do you realize you're the stupid one by playing into exactly what he wants you to do....HOOK LINE SINKER

BDC

I'd like to point some power and torque figures out, assuming the boost levels given in the post are true. Using KaoticFDR1's dyno sheet as a reference posted on pg 5:

4000rpm 90hp 120ft/lbs torque
4500rpm 130hp 150ft/lbs torque
5000rpm 170hp 180ft/lbs torque
5500rpm 230hp 210ft/lbs torque
6000rpm 290hp 250ft/lbs torque
6500rpm 355hp 290ft/lbs torque
7000rpm 450hp 335ft/lbs torque

Compare this turbo to these GT35 turbos done on several different engines by several different people performed quite awhile ago:

http://dyno.zeroglabs.com/graph.php?...1&SUBMIT=GRAPH

It's very high-end peaky, atleast on that engine it was done on. About the only real good thing this turbo has is a beefy turbine setup with not enough compressor. No doubt it would more than likely atleast level off in power and torque, if not arguably continue building it up some to 8000rpm. Even then, it's not very condusive to street use as it's more limited to higher RPM usage, leaving the mid-range something to be desired. It's great on the turbine side; shy on compressor, having to run stratospheric boost levels to get power out of it. This turbo, with some more compressor, with its nice and fat turbine side, would do well I think on a high-overlap motor such as a bridgeport, but is nowhere near as good for stock/street port performance as some of the old mainstay, workhorse turbos that've been around for years and years such as your garden-variety TO4B's and E's, 60-1, etc.

"15psi by 4500rpm" (or whatever it was, which yields a mind-boggling 130hp and blistering 150ft/lbs of torque)? Is that what you guys are saying it does? Big power, early spool? Like I've said so staunchly so many times in the past, it's exactly what I've thought it was all along: this is nothing more than a John Deere (Schwitzer) S300 derivative turbo; no special wheel, no special this or that, no special nothing done to it. I've shown this over and over again not only with specifications but also with comparison pictures of the AF61R on Ryan Scott' engine and our John Deere S300S008. Heck, you guys eviscerated me both in public and in PM's, denying that it was a John Deere anything, then just a few days ago a forum member here gets one of these turbos that you guys shipped that didn't have the (gasp) John Deere logo scratched off of it! I've said it before, months ago, and I'll say it again; story unchanged -- This is not a custom-built turbocharger done by collaboration between this outfit and Garrett; not one bit. It has been and is being falsely advertised.

For those of you that are satisfied or are having success with this turbo, more power to you. I'm happy if the customer is happy with what they've spent money on. However, recognize the facts behind this unit -- you may not be getting what you're paying for.

As for an alternative turbo -- Master Power T-70, P-Trim-T4 type exducer, much better suited to a stock/street ported 13B, with a better balance of compressor and turbine, which actually is made using Garrett parts, $550-$600 on eBay brand-new.

To Lupe, Ron, and cohorts: go ahead, cuss me out, make fun of me, call me names, and all that middle-school jazz. It will prove yet again, as has been shown many times in not only this thread but in related others, that you have to resort to that line of trifling and adolescent behaviour because the truth is not in you.

Regards,

B

willjs7

iTrader: (1)

^^^^^^owned.

LUPE

You could atleast use a dyno sheet from a car that wasn't broke.