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T61 vs. AF61, decisions decisions
Hey guys,
Heres the situation, im currently running the Ebay turbo, on street ported motor. .60 , 1.15a/r supposedly. I really want the AF61, ive wanted it for awhile. and i was planning on buying Dhahlens since he has aquired a big ole T51r, and he was nice enough to offer to sell it to me for a reasonable price. Heres the thing, one of my good friends with a PT67 single turbo supra said he has a new T61 sitting in his garage that he will sell to me for $250 (since he loves my car and wants to see it haul ass). Its got a .68 a/r on it, but he said i could probably just use my 1.15 (in a way thats good since i dont have to modify my downpipe to slap it on). So heres the thing, it would take me next week to pay for the T61. But it would take me about a month+ to pay for the AF61. Since i have alot of expenses. Now what do you guys think about the performance of either one. close to same? etc. etc. on the T61 will i make over 400whp at 14psi and maybe closer to 450+ on 18psi?? I bet the AF61 spools up alot faster. The turbo i have on there now even with the 1.15 a/r i hit 10 psi at about 4000. kinda late yes but its nice staying out of boost when u want to. As far as track use is concerend its not a big deal to me as of now, since thats what i have an FC for. Should i just pick up the T61. try it out and if i dont like it and get the AF61 if dhahlen still has it or davinci has more instock. OR, should i just drop the idea and still go for the AF61. although it may break my piggy bank. |
Break the piggy bank. The spool up of the AF61 and the fact that it will hit the same power numbers if not better ones at identical boost levels should be enough to convince you or that.
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We'll see...i mean for $250 tho. hard to beat haha, another $400 is my business license plus more...but ill sleep on it and we'll see what dhahlen thinks
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If you do not pick up the AF61 I am sure that there will be another person that will. Especially if Dhalen hits the 500+ numbers at 22psi.
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the af61 is gonna spool slower and make more top end. it's just a regular deisel turbo. if you need just the turbo, you should just buy a new one. there's no point in getting a used one when a new one is so cost effective and you save the headache from any problems that might come with a used turbo.
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Originally Posted by PhatManBUD
Hey guys,
Heres the situation, im currently running the Ebay turbo, on street ported motor. .60 , 1.15a/r supposedly. I really want the AF61, ive wanted it for awhile. and i was planning on buying Dhahlens since he has aquired a big ole T51r, and he was nice enough to offer to sell it to me for a reasonable price. Heres the thing, one of my good friends with a PT67 single turbo supra said he has a new T61 sitting in his garage that he will sell to me for $250 (since he loves my car and wants to see it haul ass). Its got a .68 a/r on it, but he said i could probably just use my 1.15 (in a way thats good since i dont have to modify my downpipe to slap it on). So heres the thing, it would take me next week to pay for the T61. But it would take me about a month+ to pay for the AF61. Since i have alot of expenses. Now what do you guys think about the performance of either one. close to same? etc. etc. on the T61 will i make over 400whp at 14psi and maybe closer to 450+ on 18psi?? I bet the AF61 spools up alot faster. The turbo i have on there now even with the 1.15 a/r i hit 10 psi at about 4000. kinda late yes but its nice staying out of boost when u want to. As far as track use is concerend its not a big deal to me as of now, since thats what i have an FC for. Should i just pick up the T61. try it out and if i dont like it and get the AF61 if dhahlen still has it or davinci has more instock. OR, should i just drop the idea and still go for the AF61. although it may break my piggy bank. |
I say T61 for $250 it is hard to beat that performance, for that price, on a new turbo.
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Originally Posted by fdracer
the af61 is gonna spool slower and make more top end. it's just a regular deisel turbo. if you need just the turbo, you should just buy a new one. there's no point in getting a used one when a new one is so cost effective and you save the headache from any problems that might come with a used turbo.
If you had a clue about this subject you would know that about 90% of all automotive based hi-performance units are derived from "DIESEL TURBOS". .....please enlighten us otherwise. Also, the T61 WILL NOT spool quicker than the AF61 unless it has a small, and restrictive .84 or smaller turbine which, will suffer major hp loss after around 6000 rpm. If you decide to buy the af61 i'll honor the rest of the years warrenty that i offered when sold.. Either way, as ZeroR said the t61's price is crazy cheap for a really decent performer, just be sure it carries some type warrenty or you just might be stuck with a shitty, filthy, and smelly paperweight! |
I aready bought the used AF61R. Best luck to you if u pick the Af61R.
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you guys think ill be making similar hp numbers +/- 15?
im hopeing to be at least 400 at 14psi and over 450 at 18. |
My vote, T61. But get a 1.00 or .84 turbine for it ("restrictive above 6000 rpm" :rolleyes: not quite). Your downpipe will still work provided you get the same v-band or bolt attachment that you have now (In otherwords, your turbine disscharge will be in the same position).
~Mike........... |
ill look for a 1.00 a/r now, but for now i think ill just swap out everythign else.
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Originally Posted by RacerXtreme7
My vote, T61. But get a 1.00 or .84 turbine for it ("restrictive above 6000 rpm" :rolleyes: not quite). Your downpipe will still work provided you get the same v-band or bolt attachment that you have now (In otherwords, your turbine disscharge will be in the same position).
~Mike........... how about posting a few numbers using the .84 vs. the 1.0 at say 16 psi.. you will atleast 20-30 hp @ 7500 rpm low mr. know it :rolleyes: |
Your one for posting number aren't ya :lol:
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Maybe ill try posting number with the 1.15, and the 1.00.
If my maps were tuned for the AF61 with a similar setup, do you think it would be safe to run those maps on 14psi with the T61 til i get it street or dyno tuned. They should flow close to the same amount of air right? |
Oops! double post
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Originally Posted by D-R Autosports
If you had a clue about this subject you would know that about 90% of all automotive based hi-performance units are derived from "DIESEL TURBOS". .....please enlighten us otherwise.
Also, the T61 WILL NOT spool quicker than the AF61 unless it has a small, and restrictive .84 or smaller turbine which, will suffer major hp loss after around 6000 rpm. If you decide to buy the af61 i'll honor the rest of the years warrenty that i offered when sold.. Either way, as ZeroR said the t61's price is crazy cheap for a really decent performer, just be sure it carries some type warrenty or you just might be stuck with a shitty, filthy, and smelly paperweight! |
Originally Posted by RacerXtreme7
Your one for posting number aren't ya :lol:
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Originally Posted by fdracer
ummm, i never said that most turbos weren't based on deisel turbos. dude, you're just reiterating what i said. the af61 has a larger turbine housing due to it being a deisel turbo, so it does spool slower than an automotive turbo, but it's got a ton of top end. btw, i do have a clue since i sell hundreds of these turbos every year.
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Guys, can we keep this from become another flame fest in the single turbo forum? He asked a question and people are giving their opinions. It doesn't need to turn into another us vs. them flame thread.
Zach |
i'd go with the t61. you can find a compressor map for it, and it's not built with "mystery" parts, so you can have any turbo shop service it, should it take a dive. the turbine trim will also be easy to get info on, if you ever decide to swap the hot side to something smaller or larger.
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Does the T61 come with a 2 year warranty like the AF61 does?
Parts for the AF61R are very very very easy to find. |
try and buy the af61r, i know i did, for 2 weeks, got nothing but bullshit, no returned emails, no returned PM's. no phone calls, i called 2-3 times a day. have fun trying to get an af61r. :)..
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Originally Posted by willjs7
try and buy the af61r, i know i did, for 2 weeks, got nothing but bullshit, no returned emails, no returned PM's. no phone calls, i called 2-3 times a day. have fun trying to get an af61r. :)..
They've been super busy lately but things are going to change soon (For the better). |
Originally Posted by D-R Autosports
i don't post bogus numbers you fucking hypocrit! :fawk: dick.
Aren't you a business owner or at least represent a business? Isn't this a place were a LOT of your customer basis derives from (this forum)? Nice behavior, but it seems typical from you and those idiots who seem to be constantly licking your ass. I had a long reply typed up as to your "posting bogus numbers" and in general straight up lies (anyone remember a certain someone saying the AF61 was a "special turbo" that GARRETT modifies? :lol:). You are the king of it bullshit, but to keep this thread civil and on topic I'll refrain from posting the complete bullshit you have posted in the past (good thing for your sake a lot of those post got deleted, but there’s plenty of readers here who won't forget it). So if you have anything else to say to me be it another insult or whatever (though I haven’t a thing to say to you), PM me and keep this thread from turning into garbage. I’m sure the temptation will be too great for you NOT to post an ego induced idiotic reply, so I'll let you have the last word and wont respond to it on this thread as to not ruin PhatManBuds post. ~Mike............ |
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