The same as Injector Dynamics..But Cheaper..PFFT!!!
02-04-13, 10:42 AM
#29
Introducing the ID1300
When we let the cat out of the bag at the PRI show in November, we had no idea we would get the kind of response that we did.
Instead of answering questions about when it will be ready, we are hearing from dealers, and individuals who tell us that their build is on hold until they get their hands on them.
Well guys...we are as excited as you are, but we are also unwilling to release an injector until it is good enough that we can call it the best, without reservation, regardless of the application.
What we are willing to do is use this opportunity to tell you a little bit more about it, and how it came to be.
The ID1300 is the result of a technical partnership between Injector Dynamics, and Bosch Motorsport. This partnership allows us to start with a clean sheet of paper, to develop an injector with characteristics that will make it perform well in a wide variety of performance applications.
The ID1300 Offers
Compatibility with all known fuels.
Stable operation over a broad pressure range.
Low minimum fuel volume, capable of stoichiometric idle in small displacement engines.
Smooth controlled response at low pulse widths, allowing accurate linearization using all OEM methods (Ford, GM, Chrysler, Porsche, Subaru, etc.)
Coming soon to a dealer near you.
When we let the cat out of the bag at the PRI show in November, we had no idea we would get the kind of response that we did.
Instead of answering questions about when it will be ready, we are hearing from dealers, and individuals who tell us that their build is on hold until they get their hands on them.
Well guys...we are as excited as you are, but we are also unwilling to release an injector until it is good enough that we can call it the best, without reservation, regardless of the application.
What we are willing to do is use this opportunity to tell you a little bit more about it, and how it came to be.
The ID1300 is the result of a technical partnership between Injector Dynamics, and Bosch Motorsport. This partnership allows us to start with a clean sheet of paper, to develop an injector with characteristics that will make it perform well in a wide variety of performance applications.
The ID1300 Offers
Compatibility with all known fuels.
Stable operation over a broad pressure range.
Low minimum fuel volume, capable of stoichiometric idle in small displacement engines.
Smooth controlled response at low pulse widths, allowing accurate linearization using all OEM methods (Ford, GM, Chrysler, Porsche, Subaru, etc.)
Coming soon to a dealer near you.
We will have these 1300cc injectors available soon from both our online stores if anyone is interested...
02-07-13, 05:37 PM
#31
I have been running the EV-14's since November. I purchased mine from Five O Motorsports and they come flow matched. Five O also includes a printout of the injectors flow rates and lag times.
I Dynoed my FD last month and everything worked flawlessly putting down in excess of 450HP..
I too looked at ID's but for the price point EV's are absolutely PERFECT... My personal opinion is that ID's are proof of excellent advertisement
L8R
I Dynoed my FD last month and everything worked flawlessly putting down in excess of 450HP..
I too looked at ID's but for the price point EV's are absolutely PERFECT... My personal opinion is that ID's are proof of excellent advertisement
L8R
02-07-13, 05:47 PM
#32
years ago we had this technology in injectors? here i thought ID was one of the first to offer it to anyone outside the factory. slightly disappointed that ID now doesn't push their own injectors? certainly, but why put out the effort if you don't have to. Bosch apparently doesn't have to sell these injectors through a sole proprietor and this i believe is where the plagiarism came about, but who plagiarized who is the question. i think i know who i would believe.
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02-08-13, 09:08 AM
#33
hmmm ...well this is what bothers me. If they have to steal data or they can't even provide their own data then it kinda proves they don't have the ability to flow match as accurately as I.D. They've even shown their flow matching/cleaning tool, and it's a cheap machine.. nothing close to what I.D's working with. So if your lying about test data....what else are they...or could they be lying about? Also...Bosch is making a 1300cc Injector solely for I.D... you can't buy it anywhere else. So why not just release the same injector if they're exactly the same?
Can't wait for the ID1300! Saw one first hand at PRI and it is a Bosch built to ID spec injector..
02-10-13, 10:24 PM
#36
John.... Don't jump on the skeptics bandwagon just for the sake of being ” oh so hard to convince.” I'm pretty sure i.d..wouldn't make statements like this unless they were true. Even FFE saw the Bosch built to I.d spec 1300 at pri first hand.
02-11-13, 08:35 AM
#37
Skeptics bandwagon? I just want to see a reliable source. That is all. I have fallen victim to marketing hype before to find out that it was nothing but the same as everything else. Since ID seems to be all too familiar to what I have seen before, I want to see proof from reliable sources.
I can slap a fancy top hat on an injector at some show and tell people Bosch made it just for me, too.
I think a statement directly from Bosch will suffice my needs...as well as the other people who aren't convinced. If I am legitimately shown proof, then I will proudly accept it and carry on from there.
I can slap a fancy top hat on an injector at some show and tell people Bosch made it just for me, too.
I think a statement directly from Bosch will suffice my needs...as well as the other people who aren't convinced. If I am legitimately shown proof, then I will proudly accept it and carry on from there.
02-14-13, 11:39 AM
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I fully understand your skepticism as there have been a lot of people throwing Bosch's name out there and making big claims. This injector is not the case however. In due time the data and documentation for the ID1300 will be made available so you can see for yourself it is 100% genuine.
02-14-13, 02:14 PM
#40
I just want to give you guys my angle here. I've seen an "injector dynamics" injector fail on a car, they're not made of gold as some people think. They have a great reputation as they were first to the market and don't cut corners like FIVE-O-MOTORSPORTS and many others.
We sell injectors that are literally the same as injector dynamics; they work fantastic! Many people do know about injectors and some do not. The main difference between a low quality injector and a higher quality injector is simply static flow testing vs dynamic flow testing. I won't get into that further I just want people to google the hell out of it so they learn and I won't be responsible for teaching them.
I'll put the injectors we use against injector dynamics any day and won't sweat. Not always can quality and price always go hand and hand. We do A LOT of research and development but sometimes it's really not worth putting a product out there and being first. A smart business man lets someone else put their ***** out there 9 times out of 10.
Not to get completely off track but it's the same situation between chrome plating, resurfacing, and a developing a new rotor housing. We can do two of the three as of right now but what's better? Neither... Value is determined by personal preference. To run a business smart you'll divert to the least cost/labor method and or the one with the highest profit margin.
Don't lose faith in cheaper services or cheaper products but put your mind to the test. Many good companies use CNC machines to lead predictable and consistent results all while keeping sale prices low. Stick to a company that continues to innovate, reinvest, and not squeeze everyone's wallets and you'll find yourself getting much more in the long run as far as parts and service as opposed to someone trying to "make a buck."
I've been watching this thread for a while; I'm done with my rant now...
We sell injectors that are literally the same as injector dynamics; they work fantastic! Many people do know about injectors and some do not. The main difference between a low quality injector and a higher quality injector is simply static flow testing vs dynamic flow testing. I won't get into that further I just want people to google the hell out of it so they learn and I won't be responsible for teaching them.
I'll put the injectors we use against injector dynamics any day and won't sweat. Not always can quality and price always go hand and hand. We do A LOT of research and development but sometimes it's really not worth putting a product out there and being first. A smart business man lets someone else put their ***** out there 9 times out of 10.
Not to get completely off track but it's the same situation between chrome plating, resurfacing, and a developing a new rotor housing. We can do two of the three as of right now but what's better? Neither... Value is determined by personal preference. To run a business smart you'll divert to the least cost/labor method and or the one with the highest profit margin.
Don't lose faith in cheaper services or cheaper products but put your mind to the test. Many good companies use CNC machines to lead predictable and consistent results all while keeping sale prices low. Stick to a company that continues to innovate, reinvest, and not squeeze everyone's wallets and you'll find yourself getting much more in the long run as far as parts and service as opposed to someone trying to "make a buck."
I've been watching this thread for a while; I'm done with my rant now...
02-14-13, 02:38 PM
#42
It wasn't mine, I was just physically there. ID I believe did replace it after being sent in. I just stated this so people don't have them on a pedestal and to bring them back down to earth. I'm not bashing them I have them in one of my other FD's that are 5 years old now and never had any problems...
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