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Old Nov 20, 2007 | 10:09 PM
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Predetonation

Can someone tell me how to avoid predetonation and how i can tell if it happens?
is it like a backfire or is it completely different.


i have an 88 TII list of mods are

2mm ceramic apex seals
Street/Semi-Race Port
Rtec 1.8
860cc injectors
upgraded fuel pump
turbonetics compressor housing
Garrett center section
3" to 2.75" turbo back exhaust
Ported upper and lower intake manifolds
Ported throttle body


any ideas at a round about hp im looking at?
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Old Nov 20, 2007 | 10:48 PM
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Old Nov 20, 2007 | 10:52 PM
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Not gonna say it!
no help. at all.
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Old Nov 20, 2007 | 10:53 PM
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Keep the motor cool, this can be done by reliability mods, DONT FORGET Charge Air temp also.. IE Intercooler

Keep your AFR's in check under boost, depending on porting and boost you want to keep it below 12:1 under boost, the more boost the richer you want to go.

Dont go crazy with the timing, this is the easiest way to pop a motor. set timing depending on your porting and boost
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Old Nov 20, 2007 | 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Rx7_Nut13B
Keep the motor cool, this can be done by reliability mods, DONT FORGET Charge Air temp also.. IE Intercooler

Keep your AFR's in check under boost, depending on porting and boost you want to keep it below 12:1 under boost, the more boost the richer you want to go.

Dont go crazy with the timing, this is the easiest way to pop a motor. set timing depending on your porting and boost
i plan on getting an afr gauge for it and i have a pretty massive radiator its a 4 core aluminum radiator with a fierro fan mounted on it im planning on making it fmic but not immidiatly probly within the next couple weeks.
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Old Nov 20, 2007 | 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by forkjar
Can someone tell me how to avoid predetonation and how i can tell if it happens?
is it like a backfire or is it completely different.


i have an 88 TII list of mods are

2mm ceramic apex seals
Street/Semi-Race Port
Rtec 1.8
860cc injectors
upgraded fuel pump
turbonetics compressor housing
Garrett center section
3" to 2.75" turbo back exhaust
Ported upper and lower intake manifolds
Ported throttle body


any ideas at a round about hp im looking at?
can you please define "pre-detionation" for me?
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by internal comsucktion engi
can you please define "pre-detionation" for me?
well,

Detonation (also called "spark knock") is an erratic form of combustion that can cause head gasket failure as well as other engine damage. Detonation occurs when excessive heat and pressure in the combustion chamber cause the air/fuel mixture to autoignite. This produces multiple flame fronts within the combustion chamber instead of a single flame kernel. When these multiple flames collide, they do so with explosive force that produces a sudden rise in cylinder pressure accompanied by a sharp metallic pinging or knocking noise. The hammer-like shock waves created by detonation subject the head gasket, piston, rings, spark plug and rod bearings to severe overloading.

but not pistons ha.
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 12:43 AM
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welllll i guess never mind about the pre detonation

http://www.misterfixit.com/deton.htm


but im still curious about the hp.
any guesses opinions whatever?
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 01:47 AM
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So......whats "PRE-detonation"? I know very well what detonation, knock, pre-ignition, auto ignition etc. are, but I want to know what is this "Pre-detonation" you talk of??
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 02:52 AM
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by internal comsucktion engi
So......whats "PRE-detonation"? I know very well what detonation, knock, pre-ignition, auto ignition etc. are, but I want to know what is this "Pre-detonation" you talk of??


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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 09:49 AM
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Thats why i wasn't going to say it! The best advice i know of is to get a profesinal tune and ask any questions you have of him. And pre-detonation is what you want, always.
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Busted7
Thats why i wasn't going to say it! The best advice i know of is to get a profesinal tune and ask any questions you have of him. And pre-detonation is what you want, always.
i had the name of it wrong. thats all. i was talking about detonation. where your engine "pops" im new at all this.
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 03:17 PM
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Not to sound like a bigger "***" but just because you engine "pops" doesn't mean it's detonation.
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 08:56 PM
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From what i have experienced it hard to hear the rotary ping and if you do its to close or already to late. But if your talking about a back fire out the exhaust thats almost normal!
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Old Nov 22, 2007 | 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by forkjar
i have an 88 TII list of mods are

2mm ceramic apex seals
Street/Semi-Race Port
Rtec 1.8
860cc injectors
upgraded fuel pump
turbonetics compressor housing
Garrett center section
3" to 2.75" turbo back exhaust
Ported upper and lower intake manifolds
Ported throttle body


any ideas at a round about hp im looking at?
???
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Old Nov 22, 2007 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by RETed
???
whatever.


thats what i was told im totally new at this.

and as far as the ping goes im not necessarily talking about ping.
i just dont wanna **** my car up super fast.

and the engine exploding thing. i know that detonation isnt the only thing to do that like boost creeps all kinds of things. but yeah.
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Old Nov 22, 2007 | 10:57 PM
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No need to be an ***, folks... >.<
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Old Nov 22, 2007 | 11:17 PM
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You're running apex seals that cost around $1,000 or more...at least for the good, quality / well-known brands.
Dunno what "semi race port" means...?
You've got fuel injectors that barely can support 350 at the wheels.
You're running a modded STOCK ECU.
And just a compressor upgrade / hybrid...?

This kind of combination is not common.
Hell, I don't think I've ever heard of anyone running such a combination on here.

So, either the owner is very rich, very paranoid, or very ignorant...

This is why I'm suspicious of the post...


-Ted
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Old Nov 23, 2007 | 08:07 PM
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#1 have a good tunner (make sure you never lean out but dont go to rich either), #2 keep your ignition in good shape, if your WOT hard all the time check your injectors frequently.

#3 always make sure you have enough fuel for the application. Never be cheap cause it will be more expensive in the end!

oh and listen for the hesitation sound when it happens( sounds like when you hit the rev limiter)
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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by RETed
You're running apex seals that cost around $1,000 or more...at least for the good, quality / well-known brands.
Dunno what "semi race port" means...?
You've got fuel injectors that barely can support 350 at the wheels.
You're running a modded STOCK ECU.
And just a compressor upgrade / hybrid...?

This kind of combination is not common.
Hell, I don't think I've ever heard of anyone running such a combination on here.

So, either the owner is very rich, very paranoid, or very ignorant...

This is why I'm suspicious of the post...


-Ted
yeah idk at all the guy i bought it from was not very knowledgeable and the guy he bought it from wasnt very straight forward. thats just what ive been told. and as far as the injectors goes i the guy said they were bigger than 720. i think the number he said was 860 so idk

so an rtec or how ever you spell it is a modded stock ecu?
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