more pictures on engine porting
10-31-01, 09:52 PM
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Hi to everybody at the forum, it's great to still see the passion everybody has for the "Wankel Power" in this forum. To Vosko u need to have no worries, I didn't start porting Rotary Engines last night. After seeing the pictures is easy to think that I ported into the the center of the side housing where the oil ring lives, but these are brand new side housings, the line that u could see in the pic's is not the oil seal mark, the oil ring runs about 8mm underneath
the circular line in the pic's.
I feel no need to post in regards to my ports, I have a good 14 years of porting and polishing and my ports have created some serious horse power and reliability. But to give my buddie Vosko some peace of mind here I am.
the circular line in the pic's.
I feel no need to post in regards to my ports, I have a good 14 years of porting and polishing and my ports have created some serious horse power and reliability. But to give my buddie Vosko some peace of mind here I am.
10-31-01, 10:02 PM
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Originally posted by Judge Ito
Hi to everybody at the forum, it's great to still see the passion everybody has for the "Wankel Power" in this forum. To Vosko u need to have no worries, I didn't start porting Rotary Engines last night. After seeing the pictures is easy to think that I ported into the the center of the side housing where the oil ring lives, but these are brand new side housings, the line that u could see in the pic's is not the oil seal mark, the oil ring runs about 8mm underneath
the circular line in the pic's.
I feel no need to post in regards to my ports, I have a good 14 years of porting and polishing and my ports have created some serious horse power and reliability. But to give my buddie Vosko some peace of mind here I am.
Hi to everybody at the forum, it's great to still see the passion everybody has for the "Wankel Power" in this forum. To Vosko u need to have no worries, I didn't start porting Rotary Engines last night. After seeing the pictures is easy to think that I ported into the the center of the side housing where the oil ring lives, but these are brand new side housings, the line that u could see in the pic's is not the oil seal mark, the oil ring runs about 8mm underneath
the circular line in the pic's.
I feel no need to post in regards to my ports, I have a good 14 years of porting and polishing and my ports have created some serious horse power and reliability. But to give my buddie Vosko some peace of mind here I am.
11-01-01, 02:10 AM
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Originally posted by Judge Ito
Hi to everybody at the forum, it's great to still see the passion everybody has for the "Wankel Power" in this forum. To Vosko u need to have no worries, I didn't start porting Rotary Engines last night. After seeing the pictures is easy to think that I ported into the the center of the side housing where the oil ring lives, but these are brand new side housings, the line that u could see in the pic's is not the oil seal mark, the oil ring runs about 8mm underneath
the circular line in the pic's.
I feel no need to post in regards to my ports, I have a good 14 years of porting and polishing and my ports have created some serious horse power and reliability. But to give my buddie Vosko some peace of mind here I am.
Hi to everybody at the forum, it's great to still see the passion everybody has for the "Wankel Power" in this forum. To Vosko u need to have no worries, I didn't start porting Rotary Engines last night. After seeing the pictures is easy to think that I ported into the the center of the side housing where the oil ring lives, but these are brand new side housings, the line that u could see in the pic's is not the oil seal mark, the oil ring runs about 8mm underneath
the circular line in the pic's.
I feel no need to post in regards to my ports, I have a good 14 years of porting and polishing and my ports have created some serious horse power and reliability. But to give my buddie Vosko some peace of mind here I am.
Cut up a housing and have a close look, It would not be any more than 2mm...If that.
11-01-01, 07:12 AM
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rotorhead
If u read my post, I clearly wrote about 8mm from the circular line that is visible. That circular line runs about 3 to 4 mm above the inner edge of the port. Even with the factory port that circular line is at the same location.
The very first lesson a Rotary Engine builder learns about porting is: never port into the center of the side housings(no gain in power or anything else and exposure to the oil seal ring is no good. I enjoy this discussion or any other 1 available.
If it aint a rotor it's a big waste of time!!!!!!! Rotary power Rules.... to be contiue..
The very first lesson a Rotary Engine builder learns about porting is: never port into the center of the side housings(no gain in power or anything else and exposure to the oil seal ring is no good. I enjoy this discussion or any other 1 available.
If it aint a rotor it's a big waste of time!!!!!!! Rotary power Rules.... to be contiue..
11-01-01, 10:06 AM
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Re: rotorhead
Originally posted by Judge Ito
If it aint a rotor it's a big waste of time!!!!!!! Rotary power Rules.... to be contiue..
If it aint a rotor it's a big waste of time!!!!!!! Rotary power Rules.... to be contiue..
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11-01-01, 11:24 PM
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Originally posted by vosko
wow that shut up the doubters
wow that shut up the doubters
I again strongly recommend to people reading this post who are getting others to port their engines or attempting it themselves DO NOT GO INTO THIS AREA, WHEN PORTING THE INTAKE!
If you are in doubt get the builder to dummy assemble the engine and if you can see the outer oil control ring "pass" into the intake port, do not pay for the ****
11-01-01, 11:34 PM
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RICE RACING.... just admit it, take it like a man.... you made a mistake... just say... sorry man I was wrong... that's all you gotta do to keep yourself from looking like an ***
11-01-01, 11:54 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdGenRX7
RICE RACING.... just admit it, take it like a man.... you made a mistake... just say... sorry man I was wrong... that's all you gotta do to keep yourself from looking like an ***
RICE RACING.... just admit it, take it like a man.... you made a mistake... just say... sorry man I was wrong... that's all you gotta do to keep yourself from looking like an ***
11-02-01, 12:02 AM
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And I am very rarley wrong !
The facts are, you do not port into the outer oil control ring area.
Fact 2, The allowable gap MAXIMUM to clean up is 1.5 mm not 3 or 4 as stated by another person.
Fact 3, If it is cut below this it will not give you any performace benifit.
I scraped a housing to prove this, what have you done?
The 1.5 mm is the max limit, if it is cut to this then when the outer oil ring wears (they do this) it will then become exposed.
Simple facts are you should not lower this are if you know what you are doing and what the concequences of your actions are.
I do not see where I am wrong?
Maybe because I don't bend over to someone just because they are the most popular on a particular point. I would rather stick with the facts. This is what I always try to provide.
The facts are, you do not port into the outer oil control ring area.
Fact 2, The allowable gap MAXIMUM to clean up is 1.5 mm not 3 or 4 as stated by another person.
Fact 3, If it is cut below this it will not give you any performace benifit.
I scraped a housing to prove this, what have you done?
The 1.5 mm is the max limit, if it is cut to this then when the outer oil ring wears (they do this) it will then become exposed.
Simple facts are you should not lower this are if you know what you are doing and what the concequences of your actions are.
I do not see where I am wrong?
Maybe because I don't bend over to someone just because they are the most popular on a particular point. I would rather stick with the facts. This is what I always try to provide.
11-02-01, 12:09 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdGenRX7
RICE RACING.... just admit it, take it like a man.... you made a mistake... just say... sorry man I was wrong... that's all you gotta do to keep yourself from looking like an ***
RICE RACING.... just admit it, take it like a man.... you made a mistake... just say... sorry man I was wrong... that's all you gotta do to keep yourself from looking like an ***
You want to hope the oil seal never wear's cause then it will be exposed.
Yeah I am sorry for trying to educate people who do not want to learn what are the wrong modifications to intake ports.
11-02-01, 12:20 AM
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Let's all stop the bashing and try to BENEFIT from the posters here. If you read the thread about tuning you will see that not too many posted. I wonder why.
It's good when posters go back and forth, you then see things from another perspective.
Lets keep it civil and i'm sure our engines will thank us since they will benefit !!!
Anthony
It's good when posters go back and forth, you then see things from another perspective.
Lets keep it civil and i'm sure our engines will thank us since they will benefit !!!
Anthony
11-02-01, 12:22 AM
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Originally posted by vosko
they changed the software or something cause i have NO LIFE now. i'm still reading this thread very interesting stuff
they changed the software or something cause i have NO LIFE now. i'm still reading this thread very interesting stuff
11-02-01, 01:00 AM
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Originally posted by AnthonyNYC
PS...
I'm only at 33posts and trying to move my way up so I will post for EVERYTHING now. I am no longer an exhaust leak !!! When did that happen?
Anthony
PS...
I'm only at 33posts and trying to move my way up so I will post for EVERYTHING now. I am no longer an exhaust leak !!! When did that happen?
Anthony
11-02-01, 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by Greg
Its good to see some more serious techs on the forum. Ill always trust a Puerto Rican when it comes to rotaries.
Its good to see some more serious techs on the forum. Ill always trust a Puerto Rican when it comes to rotaries.
!!!". Other than that who on this site can you honestly say is more knowledgable? Surely not YOU Greg...?
11-02-01, 06:59 PM
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i value their opponions, but judge ito is the man buildin vosko's and my engine..hees been buildin rotaries for over 15 years...and his work is in some of the fastest rotaries out there....so ill trust him over anyone else
he has also been there for all my random tec advise questions, and is a racer 2 , and can be reached on the phone. wich is a big ++++++++
he has also been there for all my random tec advise questions, and is a racer 2 , and can be reached on the phone. wich is a big ++++++++
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11-02-01, 08:06 PM
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Bad Judgement call
I agree, there is no need to argue, Mr Rice Racing made a bad Judgement call. There is not enough information on those pictures for him to write about the ports. The first thing he needed to do is ask vosko is: are those side housings used or brand new? Because used side housings leave a visible mark where the oils seal ring lives, but these are brand new side housings, for that matter there is no visible oil seal ring mark left behind, that circular line that is visible confused Mr. Rice racing.
My advice to anybody is, get your information right first before u assume anything, because remember Mr. Rice Racing your talking about my reputation and my lively hood. I'M the owner of J.R.'S Rotary performance Shop in N.J. USA and not only do I have 14 years of Rotary Engine experience, I'M also an authorized dealer for Racing beat and many other rotary engine companies that exist in the USA. Mr. Rice Racing when u told vosko that u dont now y his engine builder would port into the oil seal, all u did was assume that u new what u were talking about, u never had the proper information to make that judgement call. Mr. Rice racing when u did that u casted a shadow of a doubt into my customers head, and that is a no,no. hasta la vista Judge Ito
My advice to anybody is, get your information right first before u assume anything, because remember Mr. Rice Racing your talking about my reputation and my lively hood. I'M the owner of J.R.'S Rotary performance Shop in N.J. USA and not only do I have 14 years of Rotary Engine experience, I'M also an authorized dealer for Racing beat and many other rotary engine companies that exist in the USA. Mr. Rice Racing when u told vosko that u dont now y his engine builder would port into the oil seal, all u did was assume that u new what u were talking about, u never had the proper information to make that judgement call. Mr. Rice racing when u did that u casted a shadow of a doubt into my customers head, and that is a no,no. hasta la vista Judge Ito
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Originally posted by ThirdGenRX7
RICE RACING.... just admit it, take it like a man.... you made a mistake... just say... sorry man I was wrong... that's all you gotta do to keep yourself from looking like an ***
RICE RACING.... just admit it, take it like a man.... you made a mistake... just say... sorry man I was wrong... that's all you gotta do to keep yourself from looking like an ***
11-03-01, 12:33 AM
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ok, this thread is coming to an end..it is going way off topic. porting is definately something that is "eye of the beholder" while Rice Racing might port one way "judge Ito" might see it another way..no one is wrong, they all have there ideas on how it should be done
I say start a new thread called "Porting: opinions?"
I say start a new thread called "Porting: opinions?"
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