View Poll Results: Which ic kit would you rather have on your FD?
Apexi
41
20.20%
Blitz
23
11.33%
Greddy
65
32.02%
HKS
20
9.85%
Other (please post if other)
40
19.70%
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Which intercooler kit would you rather have ?
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From: Birmingham, AL
Originally posted by HWO
custom made intercoolers flow better than all of the name brand 'kits' some of you guys with "name branditis" should come downunder to see how much name brand stuff you can find on the real performance cars
custom made intercoolers flow better than all of the name brand 'kits' some of you guys with "name branditis" should come downunder to see how much name brand stuff you can find on the real performance cars
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From: Bay Area, CA
Originally posted by boostedyellow7
i whould say for sure the m2.
i whould say for sure the m2.
i just wanted to clear that up before the debate started.
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Originally posted by JoeD
please...do not turn this into a SMIC vs. FMIC debate. if you wanna compare the two, start a new thread. this thread is about FMICs and FMICs only.
i just wanted to clear that up before the debate started.
please...do not turn this into a SMIC vs. FMIC debate. if you wanna compare the two, start a new thread. this thread is about FMICs and FMICs only.
i just wanted to clear that up before the debate started.
No where in this post does it say front mount it says which KIT would you rather have and even lists other as a choice also people have already listed M2's earlier in the thread. I don't think anyone is going to start a debate. Let vosko decide what this thread about since he was the one who started it.
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From: Bay Area, CA
Originally posted by silvr94r2
Noone has brought up the fact that the Greddy intercooler doesn't have the greatest track record for lasting and looking very good.From my own personal knowledge on the imports that we've done turbo kits for and were daily driver's.....the Greddy got banged up real easy.The Apexi seemed to hold up alot better for daily driving and there was less of a pressure drop to boot.
Noone has brought up the fact that the Greddy intercooler doesn't have the greatest track record for lasting and looking very good.From my own personal knowledge on the imports that we've done turbo kits for and were daily driver's.....the Greddy got banged up real easy.The Apexi seemed to hold up alot better for daily driving and there was less of a pressure drop to boot.
http://www.overboost.com/pix.asp?ima...l/DSCN0730.jpg
http://www.overboost.com/pix.asp?ima...l/DSCN0705.jpg
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From: NJ
Originally posted by JoeD
do you have any pics of the GReddy ICs all banged up?? ive seen the Apex cores all messed up and it does not look pretty. here is Tony Yeh's car with what looks like a damaged FMIC. he is running an Apex core.
http://www.overboost.com/pix.asp?ima...l/DSCN0730.jpg
http://www.overboost.com/pix.asp?ima...l/DSCN0705.jpg
do you have any pics of the GReddy ICs all banged up?? ive seen the Apex cores all messed up and it does not look pretty. here is Tony Yeh's car with what looks like a damaged FMIC. he is running an Apex core.
http://www.overboost.com/pix.asp?ima...l/DSCN0730.jpg
http://www.overboost.com/pix.asp?ima...l/DSCN0705.jpg
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From: Bay Area, CA
Originally posted by Bacon
did tony do some custom fitting to his? i didnt think the apex sat that far up...and when i test fitted mine it didnt sit up that far...mabe its b.c im drunk
did tony do some custom fitting to his? i didnt think the apex sat that far up...and when i test fitted mine it didnt sit up that far...mabe its b.c im drunk
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From: The Land Of No Pistons
Yup Tony has and Apex'i core but custom piping and end tanks. It's just the core eveything else was welded by Mike Hansen in SoCali. Also the reason why it is damaged is because he actually drives his car on the street.
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From: Houston
I have a Greddy 2 row that I installed 2 weeks ago and everyone kept telling me you have pressure drop you will run too hot etc. Here is what I have found NO PRESSURE DROP! The car runs great. I can actually see more boost. The downside from what I understand is the install. You have to move power steering lines, A/C condensor, Radiator and mod varies other things, but the outcome is great. It also looks great
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From: SoCal
Pressure drop does not mean less boost
Pressure drop is the difference in pressure before and after the IC, not a drop in your manifold boost pressure.
If your IC has a pressure drop of 3 psi (at full boost and high RPM), your turbos have to make 15 psi to result in 12 psi showing up on your boost gauge. If your IC has a pressure drop of 1 psi, the turbos only need to make 13 psi to result in 12 psi showing up on the boost gauge. If the intake temperature is the same for both ICs, the IC with lower pressure drop will make more power on the car. The reason is that the turbos need to do less work with that setup, and thus present less of a restriction on the exhaust side. We all know that opening up the exhaust results in large power gains, and for the same reason (backpressure), an IC with lower pressure drop is desireable. You'll make more power.
With high pressure drop, the turbos have to compress the air more (higher pressure before the IC), which means the air going into the IC will be hotter. The pressure drop also moves you around the compressor map for the turbo, which might result in more or less efficient operation. But even if it is more efficient, the fact that it has to run higher pressure makes it very likely that the air will be hotter than it would be at a lower pressure (with a lower pressure drop IC), even if that puts you into a less efficient range of the compressor map.
Pressure drop is bad.
-Max
If your IC has a pressure drop of 3 psi (at full boost and high RPM), your turbos have to make 15 psi to result in 12 psi showing up on your boost gauge. If your IC has a pressure drop of 1 psi, the turbos only need to make 13 psi to result in 12 psi showing up on the boost gauge. If the intake temperature is the same for both ICs, the IC with lower pressure drop will make more power on the car. The reason is that the turbos need to do less work with that setup, and thus present less of a restriction on the exhaust side. We all know that opening up the exhaust results in large power gains, and for the same reason (backpressure), an IC with lower pressure drop is desireable. You'll make more power.
With high pressure drop, the turbos have to compress the air more (higher pressure before the IC), which means the air going into the IC will be hotter. The pressure drop also moves you around the compressor map for the turbo, which might result in more or less efficient operation. But even if it is more efficient, the fact that it has to run higher pressure makes it very likely that the air will be hotter than it would be at a lower pressure (with a lower pressure drop IC), even if that puts you into a less efficient range of the compressor map.
Pressure drop is bad.
-Max
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From: Vancouver, WA
Originally posted by carcrazy
I like my HKS Type "S" front mount. It works well and looks good.
Rick
1993 RX-7
I like my HKS Type "S" front mount. It works well and looks good.
Rick
1993 RX-7
Do you have any pics of this intercooler on your car? I'm planning on getting this kit also.
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From: Sacramento
PFS Intercooler Pressure Drop
To Jedon,
The pressure drop on the PFS intercooler is 1.25 psi at 10 psi boost & 6000 rpm.
Go to this link for more detail on the PFS and other intercoolers:
http://www.scuderiaciriani.com/rx7/intercoolers.html
The pressure drop on the PFS intercooler is 1.25 psi at 10 psi boost & 6000 rpm.
Go to this link for more detail on the PFS and other intercoolers:
http://www.scuderiaciriani.com/rx7/intercoolers.html
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From: Irvine, ca
Originally posted by lone wolf
Do you have any pics of this intercooler on your car? I'm planning on getting this kit also.
Do you have any pics of this intercooler on your car? I'm planning on getting this kit also.
regards
Rick
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From: n
A true front mount is superior to all the stock mount replacements out there...
I'm partial to GReddy since it's a complete kit.  Most people don't have the resources to install a front-mount IC from scratch...
-Ted
I'm partial to GReddy since it's a complete kit.  Most people don't have the resources to install a front-mount IC from scratch...
-Ted
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From: n
Originally posted by PaulC
What are some of the pit falls if someone were to try to install and make thier own kit???
What are some of the pit falls if someone were to try to install and make thier own kit???
If you look for economical sources, you can get a kit build around a pre-purchased IC core for cheaper than most of these kit prices.
-Ted
