How crappy is this turbo kit?
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Complaint : THE FLANGE IS WRONG BUY A NEW JIG...SPENT 400 TO HAVE ALTERED !JUNK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Response by www.ssautochrome.com - what does the auction say IDIOT? NEEDS MODIFICATION- read it RETARDO!
Complaint : Horrible customer service !!I Item DID NOT FIT!!!NO RESPONSE to multiple e-mails
Response by www.ssautochrome.com - wAAAHHH.. Wahhh,,, Mommie, Mommie wAAAHHH.. Wahhh wAAAHHH.. Mommie, Mommie
Neutral : very thin metal
Response by www.ssautochrome.com - AND NOW THE DITCH DIGGIN LOW LIFE DOES THIS - * get a Life You Lollipop Biatcch
Is this company run by 14 yr olds? Very unprofessional. Do they even know they are in business?
Complaint : THE FLANGE IS WRONG BUY A NEW JIG...SPENT 400 TO HAVE ALTERED !JUNK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Response by www.ssautochrome.com - what does the auction say IDIOT? NEEDS MODIFICATION- read it RETARDO!
Complaint : Horrible customer service !!I Item DID NOT FIT!!!NO RESPONSE to multiple e-mails
Response by www.ssautochrome.com - wAAAHHH.. Wahhh,,, Mommie, Mommie wAAAHHH.. Wahhh wAAAHHH.. Mommie, Mommie
Neutral : very thin metal
Response by www.ssautochrome.com - AND NOW THE DITCH DIGGIN LOW LIFE DOES THIS - * get a Life You Lollipop Biatcch
Is this company run by 14 yr olds? Very unprofessional. Do they even know they are in business?
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Originally Posted by vintagespeed
Wow, yet another "I have heard" reply. Thanks for the truely eye-opening information.
Can you drop this post-whoring crap and try to add something helpful?
We can ping-pong this discussion until we're all blue in the face, but you're not adding anything useful!
Why don't you buy this stuff and give us a test?
Sure it can't be the purchase price that's hold you back, right?
-Ted
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Originally Posted by FC3S.USD
There are some mistakes in there.
Most SS is non-magnetic, but some of them are.
The magnet test is not a true test.
If you can't expensive spot testing of the metal, throw that bitch on a grinder.
SS shoots out different color sparks (red?) than regular carbon steel (yellow?).
This is a quick&dirty test for SS.
Thickness is not really a good indicator, although SS304 at 1.5mm is kinda thin as a standard.
I've seen Japan shops sell 0.8mm stuff, but these thin tubes are usually SS321 - more expensive.
Runner thickness should be in the smaller side.
1.5" OD is not that bad, even on a 550hp B18C motor.
-Ted
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I'd never read some of the feedback on SSAutoChrome before. I guess I'll put it this way -- regardless of whether they do or do not sell quality products, I still won't buy from them.
Their auctions are misleading, misrepresenting, and confusing -- *I* think it's on purpose...
That combined w/ some of the feedback responses I just read tells me it's not a company I care to do business with regardless of price.
Their auctions are misleading, misrepresenting, and confusing -- *I* think it's on purpose...
That combined w/ some of the feedback responses I just read tells me it's not a company I care to do business with regardless of price.
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Since when is cast aluminum a different metal than non cast aluminum?
If both are the same AL alloy, the difference is only in the crystaline structure.
I have seen it done. What planet are you from?
Yes a porous surface will soak up more adhesive but it is the interlocking of the adhesive into the surface of the materials that cause the bounding.
It is hard to bond very smoothe surfaces together.
I think you failed your science classes.
If both are the same AL alloy, the difference is only in the crystaline structure.
I have seen it done. What planet are you from?
Yes a porous surface will soak up more adhesive but it is the interlocking of the adhesive into the surface of the materials that cause the bounding.
It is hard to bond very smoothe surfaces together.
I think you failed your science classes.
Originally Posted by vintagespeed
When you heat a casting by welding it cracks as it cools because you're trying to "weld" two differnet types of metal.
Porous metals are not good to glue to kid, the pores suck up the adhesive and pull it away from the joint area.
Are you high or something?
-jb
Porous metals are not good to glue to kid, the pores suck up the adhesive and pull it away from the joint area.
Are you high or something?
-jb
#32
Originally Posted by rotorbrain
...and about welding cast aluminum. . . i work on NUMEROUS intake manifolds that have been welded on. . . nipples removed, material added for modification. . . blah, blah, blah. . . for some reason, i have YET to see one crack or any leak for that matter. . . hmmmm. . . guess im the jackass you speak of.
paul
paul
-jb
#33
Originally Posted by RETed
You know what?
Can you drop this post-whoring crap and try to add something helpful?
We can ping-pong this discussion until we're all blue in the face, but you're not adding anything useful!
Why don't you buy this stuff and give us a test?
Sure it can't be the purchase price that's hold you back, right?
-Ted
Can you drop this post-whoring crap and try to add something helpful?
We can ping-pong this discussion until we're all blue in the face, but you're not adding anything useful!
Why don't you buy this stuff and give us a test?
Sure it can't be the purchase price that's hold you back, right?
-Ted
-jb
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My friend had that manifold on his car and it cracked and leaked in tons of areas. He ended up buying an HKS manifold and tossing that one. Some other threads on here shows the crappy quality of the manifolds and of the turbo (one cracked right open). Ever heard if it's too good to be true, then it probably is?! You get what you pay for. No performance parts are cheap, specially for our cars, specially single turbo kits.
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For you to make the assumption that they are the original manufactors of these parts and that the name brands are just rebaged items from this manufactorer is crazy. For one, your looking at parts from multiple companies. Garrett, HKS, and Tial would all have to be buying thier parts from this place.
From everthing I can gather from people that I've talked to that have actually bought this stuff, its all junk. Much cheaper materials, poor build quality, poor (if any) balancing, defective parts. What it basically looks like is a company that decided to cash in on all the kid ricers that want "bad *** F&F cars" but work at McDonalds.
If you dont want peoples opinions on the kit, then dont start a thread asking everyone "How crappy is this turbo kit".
You'd be much better off getting a HKS Cast manifold, new 62-1 with a 360degree thrust bearing, Tial wg. All of that would cost about $1500 + some misc stuff for oil feed and drain. You could do it all including the material for the dp and IC pipe for under $2K easy.
If you REALLY want to believe that these people are giving you the same parts and quality then still making money while selling it for $750 then your crazy.
Go a head and buy it so you can prove us all wrong.
Good Luck,
Stephen
From everthing I can gather from people that I've talked to that have actually bought this stuff, its all junk. Much cheaper materials, poor build quality, poor (if any) balancing, defective parts. What it basically looks like is a company that decided to cash in on all the kid ricers that want "bad *** F&F cars" but work at McDonalds.
If you dont want peoples opinions on the kit, then dont start a thread asking everyone "How crappy is this turbo kit".
You'd be much better off getting a HKS Cast manifold, new 62-1 with a 360degree thrust bearing, Tial wg. All of that would cost about $1500 + some misc stuff for oil feed and drain. You could do it all including the material for the dp and IC pipe for under $2K easy.
If you REALLY want to believe that these people are giving you the same parts and quality then still making money while selling it for $750 then your crazy.
Go a head and buy it so you can prove us all wrong.
Good Luck,
Stephen
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Originally Posted by SPOautos
What it basically looks like is a company that decided to cash in on all the kid ricers that want "bad *** F&F cars" but work at McDonalds.
and they are laughing all the way to the bank...this fawking company is making out huge!
I WANTED TO TAKE ALL THE HIGH SCHOOLERS LUNCH MONEY, damnit!!
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Originally Posted by vintagespeed
Will do. Just gets a little old with all these "it's ****" replies (like yours) with no backing or real information. I guess we're both post-****** that way?
-Ted
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I will never understand why a questionable kit for 750 that might blow up your engine due to failure is better than a good kit that is unlikely to blow up your engine for 2-4K. New motors with installation can eclipse $5000.00. How is that a good deal???
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Just wonderin....Why cant someone just use the kit and replace it with a wastegate that wont leak or get stuck shut?
my friend uses one of those ebay manifold with a Single turbo under 15psi and it hasnt cracked on him for the past year.
And if this company sucks and produce faulty products, how come we havent seen any legal actions taken against them?
my friend uses one of those ebay manifold with a Single turbo under 15psi and it hasnt cracked on him for the past year.
And if this company sucks and produce faulty products, how come we havent seen any legal actions taken against them?
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Originally Posted by 855m0n0
I will never understand why a questionable kit for 750 that might blow up your engine due to failure is better than a good kit that is unlikely to blow up your engine for 2-4K. New motors with installation can eclipse $5000.00. How is that a good deal???
I've heard everything from compressor wheel nut falling off to no balancing of the rotating assembly...
Elevated prices for turbos are due to tighter tolerances and VSR balancing.
To get prices ridiculously low (which these Master Power turbos are), corners have to be cut somewhere...
Do you trust your turbo to be assembled by some $3/hour mass production worker or a $20+/hour high trained professional technician?
-Ted
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it appears to be poor quality control, John won't lett me do an real testing on I wanted to take it over to the SRF and get them to give me a report on what alloys were used making it, but he refused to let them have it (destructive testing) i told him it was a POS anyways, whynot and he just got pissed at me (Plus he found out I posted here about it ) can't be sure if it was damaged during manufacturing and not caught, or due to poor materials, either way its a write of in my books.
on a different subject, I looked up some of there stuff on ebay, and there replies to there customers suck! if somebody replied to me like that after I spent money with them, I would back track the mailing route and cut his f*%ing throat! thats some of the poorest customer service I have seen in my life, (next to the IRS)
kenn
on a different subject, I looked up some of there stuff on ebay, and there replies to there customers suck! if somebody replied to me like that after I spent money with them, I would back track the mailing route and cut his f*%ing throat! thats some of the poorest customer service I have seen in my life, (next to the IRS)
kenn
Originally Posted by vintagespeed
Finally something worth reading, thank you Ken. Is the metal valveshaft made of a softer alloy or is it just warped by poor assembly?
As for the whole "knock-off" crap, how many of you buy discount drugs at the pharmacy? Those are knock-offs too and people use them all the time
The reason I'm so curious about all this is because I used to work for a guitar company that everyone bitched about and said was a "knock off". The FACT was that we BUILT all the brands that everyone praised (we were the manufacturer and they were just renamed Fender, Ibanez, Alvarez, Gibson Epi & etc.) and ours were just as good if not better in some ways. I have the feeling that these turbo components may be the same thing.
-jb
As for the whole "knock-off" crap, how many of you buy discount drugs at the pharmacy? Those are knock-offs too and people use them all the time
The reason I'm so curious about all this is because I used to work for a guitar company that everyone bitched about and said was a "knock off". The FACT was that we BUILT all the brands that everyone praised (we were the manufacturer and they were just renamed Fender, Ibanez, Alvarez, Gibson Epi & etc.) and ours were just as good if not better in some ways. I have the feeling that these turbo components may be the same thing.
-jb
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read read read and then finally read before you post !
Paul, read my post! I put it on a freaking lathe, and hit it with a dial gauge indicator, its not a bad seal, its crappy quality control, regradless if your hks one leaks or not. my blitz doesn't leak, oh yeah I forgot, I paid about 700 for mine locally here in japan about 4 years back maybe thats why it doesn't leak!
In your case with the HKS maybe you got a piece of poor quality control, just like my friend, but on the average, i would bet that hks has less QC problems than XS power does.
kenn
In your case with the HKS maybe you got a piece of poor quality control, just like my friend, but on the average, i would bet that hks has less QC problems than XS power does.
kenn
Originally Posted by rotorbrain
as far as the leaking wastegate deal. . . that looks a lot like the hks 50mm wastegate, and im sure its simply a replica of it. my hks wastegate leaked. . . YES, OMG!!!! A BRAND NEW QUALITY HKS WASTEGATE LEAKED!!!!!!! the problem was simple. the upper cap (aluminum cup on top of the diaphragm. . . is that spelled right???) is, for some reason, expected to seal itself with the four bolts at the base, the manifold source nipple, and the adjusting screw. the problem lies in the adjusting screw. why in the world machine threads are meant to seal properly i will never know. all you have to do is put an o-ring in there. leaky wastegate problem solved.
and about welding cast aluminum. . . i work on NUMEROUS intake manifolds that have been welded on. . . nipples removed, material added for modification. . . blah, blah, blah. . . for some reason, i have YET to see one crack or any leak for that matter. . . hmmmm. . . guess im the jackass you speak of.
paul
and about welding cast aluminum. . . i work on NUMEROUS intake manifolds that have been welded on. . . nipples removed, material added for modification. . . blah, blah, blah. . . for some reason, i have YET to see one crack or any leak for that matter. . . hmmmm. . . guess im the jackass you speak of.
paul
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Just wonderin....Why cant someone just use the kit and replace it with a wastegate that wont leak or get stuck shut? like tial or hks?
my friend uses one of those ebay manifold with a Single turbo under 15psi and it hasnt cracked on him for the past year.
And if this company sucks and produce faulty products, how come we havent seen any legal actions taken against them?
my friend uses one of those ebay manifold with a Single turbo under 15psi and it hasnt cracked on him for the past year.
And if this company sucks and produce faulty products, how come we havent seen any legal actions taken against them?
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Originally Posted by PhatManBUD
And if this company sucks and produce faulty products, how come we havent seen any legal actions taken against them?
The original manufacturers haven't bothered due to too much cost to go after such small fry?
They haven't really done anything wrong in the eyes of the law and copyright and patent laws, and the lawsuit would be impossible to win?
The original manufacturers are just sitting back and laughing at all the idiots who fall for such crap?
-Ted
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Originally Posted by 855m0n0
I will never understand why a questionable kit for 750 that might blow up your engine due to failure is better than a good kit that is unlikely to blow up your engine for 2-4K. New motors with installation can eclipse $5000.00. How is that a good deal???
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Originally Posted by RETed
The original manufacturers are just sitting back and laughing at all the idiots who fall for such crap?
-Ted
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I think im going to get the kit and try it out. I know its goin against the grain of what people say but ill run 10 psi to see if this thing will at least hold up to that. If the motor goes, then the motor goes, at least its single turbo setup and easy to pull out and rebuild.
Tho if anything goes wrong ill probably replace the turbocharger or the wastegate depending on what goes wrong, but at least i still have the rest of the kit available for use. so it'll be easy to swap out any bad parts. 4 bolts total.
Hey, at least it isnt a twin turbo kit you are unsure of buying. cause that would be a bitch to pull out and replace. I couldnt hang on that. As far as the single goes. the work is easy.
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Originally Posted by Zero R
Smartest post in the thread. Should be stickied up top for all to see.
As for getting what you pay for I suppose all you guys are driving Lincoln Navigators instead of the $30k-less Ford Expedition........yeah that's the smart choice but hey at least it's not a knock off. LOL. BTW, who made the first turbos (aerospace) and when did all these other knock offs start out, Garrett, HKS, Greddy, XSengineering.....I'll bet they were cheaper than the originals too.
I am turned off by the negative comments in the feedback on Ebay, that's bullsh*t for anyone to run a business that way.
-jb
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Originally Posted by vintagespeed
Yeah, much smarter than your professional tuner description of the turbo kit which is all anyone asked for.
Originally Posted by vintagespeed
As for getting what you pay for I suppose all you guys are driving Lincoln Navigators instead of the $30k-less Ford Expedition........yeah that's the smart choice but hey at least it's not a knock off. LOL. BTW, who made the first turbos (aerospace) and when did all these other knock offs start out, Garrett, HKS, Greddy, XSengineering.....I'll bet they were cheaper than the originals too.
Originally Posted by vintagespeed
I am turned off by the negative comments in the feedback on Ebay, that's bullsh*t for anyone to run a business that way.
-jb
-jb
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What's the latest?
Well - I want this thread to stay alive until OAKRIDGERX7 actually puts the XS Power kit on his car and we get some real life feedback.
Another one of these kits went for $695 today on ebay: note the guy selling them is XS POWER DOT COM - NOT ssautochrome - and yeah, he's got some bad feedback too, but not as much - I haven't found any bad on this third gen kit yet (but if you bought a probe header/air box kit - it looks like they don't fit for SH**
So what's the latest people who have these el-cheapo kits?
Cheap bastards like me want to know !!!!
Another one of these kits went for $695 today on ebay: note the guy selling them is XS POWER DOT COM - NOT ssautochrome - and yeah, he's got some bad feedback too, but not as much - I haven't found any bad on this third gen kit yet (but if you bought a probe header/air box kit - it looks like they don't fit for SH**
So what's the latest people who have these el-cheapo kits?
Cheap bastards like me want to know !!!!