Ebay ss autochrome turbo, failer at 1bar
12-21-05, 06:45 AM
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Ebay ss autochrome turbo, failer at 1bar
This will get you guys going....
Turbo is ss autochrome stonemountain racing/xs power t70.
This lasted less than 2000km at 1bar, before it failed.
Both the turbine and compressor have major ware on blades from excessive shaft play after the compressor nut and wheel had come loss during moderate boost driving.
This turbo belongs to my friend, he also figured that because of the price the turbo was worth trying. I guess he made a mistake.
There seems to be no ill effect to the engine luckly. we are fitting a new mp t61 this week and will just have the plumping sent out for cleaning of any compressor deposites.
Turbo is ss autochrome stonemountain racing/xs power t70.
This lasted less than 2000km at 1bar, before it failed.
Both the turbine and compressor have major ware on blades from excessive shaft play after the compressor nut and wheel had come loss during moderate boost driving.
This turbo belongs to my friend, he also figured that because of the price the turbo was worth trying. I guess he made a mistake.
There seems to be no ill effect to the engine luckly. we are fitting a new mp t61 this week and will just have the plumping sent out for cleaning of any compressor deposites.
12-21-05, 07:34 AM
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Thanks
Good post with actual hands on Info, while this might stir the pot some, its the first actual post about one of these turbos without the useual my best firends cousins honda civic blah blah blah crap.
So, when the nut came loose, did you notice if their was locktight on the threads? also does it look like a balance problem to start with, or jsut cheasy bearings?
since you have the chance to report facts and not hearsay on this, please give as much info as possible.
Mods, please track this one, and put it in the archives for the next time the question arises.
kenn
So, when the nut came loose, did you notice if their was locktight on the threads? also does it look like a balance problem to start with, or jsut cheasy bearings?
since you have the chance to report facts and not hearsay on this, please give as much info as possible.
Mods, please track this one, and put it in the archives for the next time the question arises.
kenn
12-21-05, 10:05 AM
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I'm not going to bother searching, but this is the third first hand account of a failure with the EXACT same thing happening (excessive slop leading to wheel contacting the housings) with a SSAuto/ XS Power turbo charger that I recall.
Mind you, I've seen probly over 10 accounts of Turbonetics failures, but I guess its a matter of how many of each manufactures turbos' sold verses failure. Which we wont be able to know.
~Mike.............
Mind you, I've seen probly over 10 accounts of Turbonetics failures, but I guess its a matter of how many of each manufactures turbos' sold verses failure. Which we wont be able to know.
~Mike.............
12-21-05, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by kenn_chan
Good post with actual hands on Info, while this might stir the pot some, its the first actual post about one of these turbos without the useual my best firends cousins honda civic blah blah blah crap.
So, when the nut came loose, did you notice if their was locktight on the threads? also does it look like a balance problem to start with, or jsut cheasy bearings?
since you have the chance to report facts and not hearsay on this, please give as much info as possible.
Mods, please track this one, and put it in the archives for the next time the question arises.
kenn
So, when the nut came loose, did you notice if their was locktight on the threads? also does it look like a balance problem to start with, or jsut cheasy bearings?
since you have the chance to report facts and not hearsay on this, please give as much info as possible.
Mods, please track this one, and put it in the archives for the next time the question arises.
kenn
There also seems to be severe ware on the tip of the inducer which may indicate bearing failer first or bent shaft after compressor came in contact with housing.
the other thing to note is that this turbo never really performed that well as what would be expected with t61 type compressor and .84ar turbine housing.
I incouraged a boost raise from 12lbs to 1.1bar 17lbs after hes complaints of lacking power. and this is when we started noticing noise and massive power lose, a slight drop in oil pressure was also noticed which may be a result of bearing failer in turbo.
12-21-05, 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbo II-FB
Have you talked to the company?aBout tgetting arefund or giving you a new one?
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12-23-05, 05:22 PM
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thats interesting
Originally Posted by bobybeach
not yet but yes we will be, the results from that will be interesting also since they do claim 1 year warrenty. shipping costs will kill it $250-300us both ways from NZ.
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surely with the experience you have had with them you would have warned your mate against its use or have you had other success with them?
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12-23-05, 06:09 PM
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Man I'm confused!!! So...XS-Power IS the same as Master Power??? If not, please explain the differences of the two products.
I always thought they were the same, but someone recently posted that they're NOT. Now the guy who sells the Master Power also sells the XS-power!! Something stinks!!
I always thought they were the same, but someone recently posted that they're NOT. Now the guy who sells the Master Power also sells the XS-power!! Something stinks!!
12-24-05, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Slammedblk7
No No No...Master Power is totally different then XS Power. Master Power is 10x better quality.
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Okay But can you explain why? Is it the housings that are different? The internals? what?
Bobbybeach, your opinion would be appreciated.
12-24-05, 05:16 PM
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Well for one, the XS Power turbos are cheaper then dirt, probably not even well balanced. low quality casting and cheap internals. probably not even coming from a ISO 9001 plant.
12-24-05, 06:07 PM
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So are the internals IN-FACT cheap? Because I've heard that they use Garrett internals and some say they're not. According to bobybeach, they use garrett internals. Or is it just Garrett specs on sizing?
12-24-05, 06:49 PM
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It could have to do with where they're assembled and who's doing the work. From what we understand, the Master Power line is Brazilian and is ISO9000 compliant. It's a high-end, professional outfit. Contrasting SSAutochrome, however, there's no telling where that stuff is put together and by whom.
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12-24-05, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BDC
It could have to do with where they're assembled and who's doing the work. From what we understand, the Master Power line is Brazilian and is ISO9000 compliant. It's a high-end, professional outfit. Contrasting SSAutochrome, however, there's no telling where that stuff is put together and by whom.
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If this is true, is it possible to rebuild one of these units with better performance and reliability? ie tearing down, reusing the original parts, rebalancing and reasembling the unit by a knowledgable turbo enthusiest?
12-25-05, 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by tdazmansFD
So are the internals IN-FACT cheap? Because I've heard that they use Garrett internals and some say they're not. According to bobybeach, they use garrett internals. Or is it just Garrett specs on sizing?
12-25-05, 12:20 AM
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well i have a xs power turbo on my probe and i love it, it was cheap and works perfect. its the t3/t4 57 trim and i was running 14psi with it no problem.
12-26-05, 01:35 AM
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BWaaahahahaha ... riiight.. if people would take the time to read ALL the info avaialve you'd realize that this company is some backwater piggy diddler that has absolutely zero business ethics.
But yet dumb asses like the guy above and all those morons who seem to require ' hard proof' once a month , everymoths because apparently thier memory is that of a cat..
THis is getting old and lame in here, every thier post is about ' no name ebay parts ' or 'SSAC et al. ' turbos..
enough already, if people are too stupid to use the search function on here to discover how bad this crap is then they deserve what they get. It used to be funny, reading how people got burned because they were too cheap and too stupid to listen to the warnings.. not it's just annoying..
But yet dumb asses like the guy above and all those morons who seem to require ' hard proof' once a month , everymoths because apparently thier memory is that of a cat..
THis is getting old and lame in here, every thier post is about ' no name ebay parts ' or 'SSAC et al. ' turbos..
enough already, if people are too stupid to use the search function on here to discover how bad this crap is then they deserve what they get. It used to be funny, reading how people got burned because they were too cheap and too stupid to listen to the warnings.. not it's just annoying..
Originally Posted by Turbo II-FB
Have you talked to the company?aBout tgetting arefund or giving you a new one?
12-26-05, 01:39 AM
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The word 'cheap' and parts running at 100K rpm do not work in the same sentace unless you include the phrase ' imminent failure expected '
Originally Posted by white94pgt
well i have a xs power turbo on my probe and i love it, it was cheap and works perfect. its the t3/t4 57 trim and i was running 14psi with it no problem.
12-26-05, 03:39 PM
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I also bought one of these turbos...
I'll continue to monitor this thread as well as post updates when my 7 returns from the shop. I'm not planning on running this setup for longer than a couple of months and will upgrade to a GT35R Garret turbocharger.
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