The Build has Begun
11-20-09, 12:08 AM
#52
Rotary Enthusiast
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 762
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
can someone else validate this (picture in post 27)? The kit was purchased from rx7store. Invoice and price say gt35r. It came in a sealed garret box.
I'll get some more pics.
I'll get some more pics.
11-20-09, 01:09 AM
#53
I'll make it real simple for you. GT35R has 6 paired compressor blades. The 60-1 and NO OTHER TURBO comes in a 7 paired blade configuration with that aggressive angle of attack on the blades (hence why it flows gobs of air, but has a relatively low pressure ratio efficiency). I was a Garrett dealer at one point and have sold more then a couple 60-1's. I built every turbo I sold so I am VERY familiar with the older Garrett parts (T04B, T04E, 60-1 specifically) got out of it just after the GT series was released.
I'll even post picks of GT35R's and 60-1's so you can compare (READ: COUNT BLADES) and see for yourself.
Is there perhaps another version of the GT35R that I don't know about or that is not published? again, I'm very Very familiar with the 60-1, and your picture looks like a 60-1 to me.
First 4 pics are of the GT35R.. note 6 paired blades, relatively mild angle of attack on the inducer blades (this is why it is efficient at higher pressure ratios then the old school 60-1).
~Mike.............
I'll even post picks of GT35R's and 60-1's so you can compare (READ: COUNT BLADES) and see for yourself.
Is there perhaps another version of the GT35R that I don't know about or that is not published? again, I'm very Very familiar with the 60-1, and your picture looks like a 60-1 to me.
First 4 pics are of the GT35R.. note 6 paired blades, relatively mild angle of attack on the inducer blades (this is why it is efficient at higher pressure ratios then the old school 60-1).
~Mike.............
11-20-09, 01:20 AM
#54
Next 4 pics, 60-1, sometimes called the T04S, which is inaccurate as T04S describes what the compressor housing is called, the T04S compressor housing is also used on the GT35R amongst many other Garrett mid framed turbos (like the T66/T04R etc.).
~Mike............
~Mike............
11-20-09, 01:32 AM
#55
For what its worth... the 60-1 does flow a tad more just under 1 bar of boost. The Gt35R is more efficient 1 bar and higher. The end result is very similar spool up times and same power under 1 bar of boost (which is the limit for pump gas without aux injection btw and what is typical street acceptable safe boost levels).
~Mike............
~Mike............
Last edited by Zero R; 11-20-09 at 08:56 AM. Reason: spelling ;)
11-20-09, 03:40 AM
#56
Rotary Enthusiast
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 762
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Thanks man. I'll be contacting RX7store tomorrow. Funny thing is: Someone actually PMed back when I bought it, they said they rx7store likes to send gt35r knockoffs.. So I called rx7store and talked to the guy I ordered from and had him verbally promise me it was an authentic gt35r. I really should have gone ASPEC. *sigh*
As far as boost. I've never run into any problems over the past 12 years running 16 psi on pump gas. But I make sure the boost gauge is set so that the peak I might hit on a cold morning would be about 16psi. So it hits 15.5 -15.75 on most daily pulls.
I'm also in the habit of turning it down a little on cold days and I turn it down as low as 13psi for track abuse (depending on the course). Water injection imminent
Oh, what would you suppose the typical price difference to be from the 35r to t-60?.. And can you tell if the hotside is the 35r one?
As far as boost. I've never run into any problems over the past 12 years running 16 psi on pump gas. But I make sure the boost gauge is set so that the peak I might hit on a cold morning would be about 16psi. So it hits 15.5 -15.75 on most daily pulls.
I'm also in the habit of turning it down a little on cold days and I turn it down as low as 13psi for track abuse (depending on the course). Water injection imminent
Oh, what would you suppose the typical price difference to be from the 35r to t-60?.. And can you tell if the hotside is the 35r one?
11-20-09, 10:06 AM
#57
I'm on a Boat!
iTrader: (15)
Join Date: May 2003
Location: OK
Posts: 1,824
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Sux to here you got shafted man. I had a similar problem with them when i bought my T04R. It came with the T4 footprint like I (wanted) but it was welded to a T3 housing...
After I figured out I didn't have an authentic T04R and hearing others complaints, I was happy to spend a little extra $ buying my next turbo from Sean @ A-spec. There Customer service is top notch too.
After I figured out I didn't have an authentic T04R and hearing others complaints, I was happy to spend a little extra $ buying my next turbo from Sean @ A-spec. There Customer service is top notch too.
11-20-09, 12:24 PM
#58
From your pictures I cannot tell. It wouldn't make any sense to place an older designed 60-1 compressor on a GT35R CHRA/turbine. It's most likely a plain Jane journal bearing (READ: NOT BALL BEARING) T4 P-trimmed turbo charger. A tell tale would be to take a picture of the turbine wheel. It is a T4 turbine housing obviously because it fits your manifold. Next question is if your 60-1 turbo is ball bearing or not (my guess is no).
It sucks a Vendor would make such a mistake (giving the benefit of the doubt this wasn't intentional).
BTW, love your wheel fitment!
~Mike............
. I'll get some pics when I can stomach it later tonight.
. I got another good one...
11-22-09, 12:06 AM
#65
That's a standard T4 P-trim turbine wheel. GT35R has a 10 blade turbine, were the t4 P-trim is an 11 blade turbine.
What does the tag say on the compressor back plate? It's definitely a 60-1 compressor, T04S comp housing, P-trim turbine, t4 foot print. Now lets see if it's even ball bearing. Garratt didn't offer the ball bearing older style turbo's when I was building turbo's so I don't know what to look for except water cooling and journal bearing can be build with water cooling too.
~Mike..........
What does the tag say on the compressor back plate? It's definitely a 60-1 compressor, T04S comp housing, P-trim turbine, t4 foot print. Now lets see if it's even ball bearing. Garratt didn't offer the ball bearing older style turbo's when I was building turbo's so I don't know what to look for except water cooling and journal bearing can be build with water cooling too.
~Mike..........
11-22-09, 10:09 PM
#69
4th string e-armchair QB
iTrader: (11)
Join Date: May 2005
Location: North Bay, Ontario
Posts: 2,745
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
On another more positive note, the p-trim has shown to provide better response and top end on a GT35R sized turbo. I would say it's an improvement for the rotary over the standards 35R exhaust wheel. The only real downside to your setup is that the 60-1 may not be quite as efficient as the 35R. And it's generally cheaper.
11-23-09, 10:21 AM
#71
Mike is the man!
On another more positive note, the p-trim has shown to provide better response and top end on a GT35R sized turbo. I would say it's an improvement for the rotary over the standards 35R exhaust wheel.
Most definitely not a bad thing at all, and he could even throw a 35R compressor wheel on there and have pretty close to a 3574 BB unit essentially. All he just needs to do is find someone with 35R compressor wheels.
~S~
Originally Posted by Trots*88TII-AE*
On another more positive note, the p-trim has shown to provide better response and top end on a GT35R sized turbo. I would say it's an improvement for the rotary over the standards 35R exhaust wheel.
~S~
11-26-09, 10:03 AM
#72
Rotary Enthusiast
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 762
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
^ lol..
Well I'm just gonna use my T60 until it wears out ;D
STARTED THE CAR today and let it idle for a while! No problems so far. Just need to get all the air out of the coolant lines and bolt in the exhaust.
Here some more pics on how I'm spending my Turkey day!!!
Custom drain line...
And ONE MESSY GARAGE.
Blanket and DP installed
Well I'm just gonna use my T60 until it wears out ;D
STARTED THE CAR today and let it idle for a while! No problems so far. Just need to get all the air out of the coolant lines and bolt in the exhaust.
Here some more pics on how I'm spending my Turkey day!!!
Custom drain line...
And ONE MESSY GARAGE.
Blanket and DP installed
11-28-09, 09:17 AM
#73
Thanks man. I'll be contacting RX7store tomorrow. Funny thing is: Someone actually PMed back when I bought it, they said they rx7store likes to send gt35r knockoffs.. So I called rx7store and talked to the guy I ordered from and had him verbally promise me it was an authentic gt35r. I really should have gone ASPEC. *sigh*
As far as boost. I've never run into any problems over the past 12 years running 16 psi on pump gas. But I make sure the boost gauge is set so that the peak I might hit on a cold morning would be about 16psi. So it hits 15.5 -15.75 on most daily pulls.
I'm also in the habit of turning it down a little on cold days and I turn it down as low as 13psi for track abuse (depending on the course). Water injection imminent
Oh, what would you suppose the typical price difference to be from the 35r to t-60?.. And can you tell if the hotside is the 35r one?
As far as boost. I've never run into any problems over the past 12 years running 16 psi on pump gas. But I make sure the boost gauge is set so that the peak I might hit on a cold morning would be about 16psi. So it hits 15.5 -15.75 on most daily pulls.
I'm also in the habit of turning it down a little on cold days and I turn it down as low as 13psi for track abuse (depending on the course). Water injection imminent
Oh, what would you suppose the typical price difference to be from the 35r to t-60?.. And can you tell if the hotside is the 35r one?
I got your PM today and responded about the turbo. You mentioned that is was a T60 so I was confused on what you were talking about until I looked at this thread.
That turbo was sent directly from my distributer to you. On Monday I will call them and find out exactly what they sent as that pic you have is of a 60-1 and should be a GT35R.
I only send or order what the customer orders, but its possible the distributer made a mistake. I will find out and let you know monday.
I dont
11-28-09, 09:31 AM
#74
Sux to here you got shafted man. I had a similar problem with them when i bought my T04R. It came with the T4 footprint like I (wanted) but it was welded to a T3 housing... After I figured out I didn't have an authentic T04R and hearing others complaints, I was happy to spend a little extra $ buying my next turbo from Sean @ A-spec. There Customer service is top notch too.
After I figured out I didn't have an authentic T04R and hearing others complaints, I was happy to spend a little extra $ buying my next turbo from Sean @ A-spec. There Customer service is top notch too.I have never seen a T04R on a T3 housing.