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Old May 29, 2007 | 11:24 AM
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Thumbs up Bosch 044 fuel sock?

I've searched but no one posts the part#. I've read that its a ford part any one know what it is

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Old May 29, 2007 | 12:35 PM
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the only pre-filter for the 044 that i know of that is the ATL ks191.
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Old May 29, 2007 | 07:56 PM
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Thumbs up prefilter

I circled the filter in this picture, that is what im looking for
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Old May 29, 2007 | 07:57 PM
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Thumbs up !!!!!!

woops here it is
Attached Thumbnails Bosch 044 fuel sock?-my-pump-filter.jpg  
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Old May 29, 2007 | 09:13 PM
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thats hIGGI's setup... he said that he modified the stock turboII sock to fit but didn't work to well.
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Old May 29, 2007 | 09:56 PM
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is that the inline fp modified to run intank?
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Old May 29, 2007 | 11:33 PM
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is that the inline fp modified to run intank?
sure looks like it
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Old May 30, 2007 | 12:36 AM
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Thumbs up grrrrr

damnit. thats what i didn't wan to hear, so any other ideas on how to install it in-tank. I just don't want to convert everything to a-n fittings so i can run it inline.

any help would be great

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Old May 30, 2007 | 06:56 AM
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whats wrong with that other filter? Does it hit the bottom of the tank or something?
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Old May 30, 2007 | 11:10 PM
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Thumbs up ATL filter

im not sure how it fits, i was trying to avoid ordering a part from over seas
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Old May 31, 2007 | 06:38 AM
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whats wrong with that other filter? Does it hit the bottom of the tank or something?

All I know is that it cost $80!
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Old May 31, 2007 | 03:11 PM
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There are sock filters with -6AN and -8AN male hose ends commonly available.

One could get a metric to -AN fitting for the bottom of the '044 pump and then a -AN 90 deg elbow and the -AN sock filter.

This will get pretty tall by the time it is assembled, don't know if there is room in the tank.

One could also get a metric to NPT or -AN fitting for the bottom of the pump to a drilled/tapped block with ports in the top for the pump fitting and 2 ports on one side for side by side -AN filters.

That would be shorter and provide lots of filter area (low restriction), but you would probably have to make the block yourself.
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Old Jun 1, 2007 | 12:36 AM
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I've been searching for a good solution also.
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Old Jun 1, 2007 | 06:05 AM
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There are sock filters with -6AN and -8AN male hose ends commonly available.

One could get a metric to -AN fitting for the bottom of the '044 pump and then a -AN 90 deg elbow and the -AN sock filter.

This will get pretty tall by the time it is assembled, don't know if there is room in the tank.

One could also get a metric to NPT or -AN fitting for the bottom of the pump to a drilled/tapped block with ports in the top for the pump fitting and 2 ports on one side for side by side -AN filters.

That would be shorter and provide lots of filter area (low restriction), but you would probably have to make the block yourself.
so if your going to spend that much money on 90's and metric to -AN fittings and filters why don't you just spend the 80 on the filter that fits?

or why don't you just sell the inline bosch filter and buy the intank one. I"m sure they have filters readily available for that...just a thought.
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Old Jun 1, 2007 | 11:53 AM
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You can make the stock sock work.
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Old Jun 1, 2007 | 03:34 PM
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yes, i gave up running it in tank and i run it outside of the surge tank now...
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Old Jun 1, 2007 | 06:39 PM
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yes, i gave up running it in tank and i run it outside of the surge tank now...

Could you elaborate on your issues while running it "in tank"?
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Old Jun 2, 2007 | 12:11 AM
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so if your going to spend that much money on 90's and metric to -AN fittings and filters why don't you just spend the 80 on the filter that fits?

or why don't you just sell the inline bosch filter and buy the intank one. I"m sure they have filters readily available for that...just a thought.
The KS191 is not a sock filter, it is a taller cannister shaped filter with the filter media around the circumference.

It will suck air up more easily as fuel is sloshed away from any part of the filter area.

The universal sock filters would be cheaper and offer more surface area (less pressure drop).

The intank Bosch pump does not perform as well as the external '044.



One could also get a good sock filter like the ks190 and figure out the correct size metric to NPT adapter to thread it on though the filters plastic bushing.
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Old Jun 2, 2007 | 06:34 AM
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thanks for the info I appreciate that info greatly! Here is another question. What AN fittings are you guys using at the fuel pump housing cover?
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Old Jun 2, 2007 | 11:40 AM
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You can make the stock sock work.
How about a breakdown of the fittings you used in order to accomplish that?
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Old Jun 2, 2007 | 03:36 PM
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Hmm, sock filter may not have more surface area than the cannister type filter- I wasn't thinking about the pleats...But the sucking in air part really would still suck.

I think most people use a "bulkhead fitting" to go through the fuel pump cover plate when not using the stock fuel lines.

You would have to cut off both sides of the stock tube and drill the cover there larger for the bulkhead fitting.

Then use some means to seal between the fitting inside the tank and the cover- a crush washer or o-ring bonded washer between the fitting and the cover would do it with the nut on the outside of the tank.

Definitely put something on the threads to keep them from backing off- something permanent like epoxy.

The larger gauge wire to supply the fuel pump is also typically fed through a bulkhead fitting as well with the remaining space inside the fitting completely filled with epoxy to seal it.

I think the problem most people have with the Bosch '044 in tank is that by the time you need the pump (500HP +) you have big sticky tires to put the power down and they have enough traction to generate the Gs to slosh the fuel away from the pick up area.

Solving this while retaining the stock gas tank is typically done by having a stock-ish in-tank pump to a surge tank to the Bosch '044 like on a circuit car.
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Old Jun 2, 2007 | 03:39 PM
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I had problems with fuel starvation with in-tank install, so i decided to go for surge tank and mount bosch pump externally :

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Old Jun 3, 2007 | 08:16 AM
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there is only two Bosch fp200 pump versions 044 - 5 bar and 413 - 8 bar both are in-tank/in-line.
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Old Jun 3, 2007 | 08:46 AM
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so what is the differance bewteen the two?
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Old Jun 3, 2007 | 10:29 AM
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pressure rating, 5 bar and 8 bar of operating pressure
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