salamanzer

I have been offered an engine from japan -

Its a long block 20B engine with uprated internals etc - they have had it running at 860 BHP - they have replaced the seals etc .... should i buy it - is there anything i should look out for ?

Its just the engine mind - no ecu, turbo, manifolds etc ..

About £6K

regards

Jason

salamanzer

Oh - i have a T51R SPL Turbo to fit to it - i would like 850/900 BHP @ the wheels - its not pp its a J-Port i think.

J

Gargamel

wouldn't we all?

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six thousand pounds??

of course, i'm american so that is waaaay too expensive. if you want to pay almost $12k US for that motor, do it, but you could do it yourself for less, i think.

but that T51 should work nicely

salamanzer

Oh if only you knew !!

I have contacted a few tuners in the UK -

Here is some info for you :-

The cost of a second hand standard 20B engine £6,000

The cost of a tuned 13B engine which is good for approx 600BHP ish £15,000

The cost of putting a standard 20B engine in an RX-7 a scary £25,000+

So what can i say - maybe i should do it myself - hell there is info on here on how to PP Port your own housings - inspiring info on building your own exhaust manifolds !

Damm - all i want is a short block 3 rotor engine - is that too much to ask - its tooooo much to pay though !

I was thinking about getting an engine made in australia then shipped over to the UK .... i think even that will work out cheaper

- The UK is such an expensive place to tune cars

It sux .....

Any thoughts anyone - im all out of ideas Would anyone recommend the 'city performance centre' is australia - ive heard very good things about them - has anyone used them on this forum - i dont really want to spend 15K on a midly tuned 13B engine !

J

93rotorhead

I called RX-7 specialties(403-246-6980) in Canada and they had a deal on a 20b, 7500.00 for a built 20b. Im assuming this was with everything but I thought it was a deal also they had a subframe and spindels for about 1400.00. When I get the cash to convert to a 20b Im going to give them a call, either way 7k sounds better than 12k.

Sponge Bob Square Pants

Why would they J-Port an engine that with said turbo should be able to make said power with only a streetport?
If it really is J-Ported, remember it won't last very long. (less life than a P-Port if done right)

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Hell, for those prices, i would buy a j-spec and rebuild it myself...

salamanzer

yeah id love to build my own engine

but how would i go about designing my own e-shaft ? I really want a short block 3 rotor engine -

but most wont even take such a project on - also the costs involved a very large here in the uk -

when you think a standard engine is 6K - what do you think a custom engine will cost ? Bearing in mind a standard engine is 15K for a 13B + fitting

work it out

engine 6K
tuning 10K+
fitting 20K
gearbox 7K
ECU 1.5K+

other parts inc bodykit rims etc 20K+

Your talking at a min 60K + or $120K

Thats a scary amount of money - yes very scary !!!!

J

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Well, I meant rebuilding the used engine. You could re-use the e-shaft.

Where are you getting 10k for tuning?

well, because your prices suck so much (I couldn't believe the exchange rate when i went to london for christmas), things get difficult...

Have you thought about buying things from the US or even Japan? You mentioned Australia earlier. It would take longer to get your parts but the difference in cost might be worth it to you. We can get used 20B longblocks for $3500, ECU for $1500...

Basically the "rule" has been $40k-50k for a 20B swap in the US. There is a guy here where I live that is doing it for much less. But your situation is so much different than his, I don't even know if it would be worth talking to him, other than to get the custom subframe.

If a built 13B is 15K (holy *****) then a 20B would probably run you nearly 25k.

Lots of issues.

This is a long shot, but you could probably ship your car here, build the whole car in the US, pay in US currency, and ship it back across for less than it would cost you to do it in the UK.

Sponge Bob Square Pants

You could probably buy a built engine from somewhere in North America (or even a stock longblock 20B to work on) and have it shipped over for less money than buying it there. Just an idea to look into.

salamanzer

I have spoken to the city performance centre in australia regarding this matter

£15K here in the UK will get me a bridgeported engine reusing some parts from my old engine good for approx 550BHP

£15K (35,000 Aus $) will get me a short block triple rotor good for 1200BHP for australia so thats what im gonna do !

The only problem is i have a HKS T51R SPL - and ive been told its too small !!!! Ahhhhhh FFS - looks like im gonna have to get a Turbonetics Y2k instead - and you cant get them in the UK either - god dam it - grrrrrr

All i need now is some sponsorship for the rest of the car

It will be the most powerful engine in the UK - that should be a good selling point i hope for advertising

J

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glad to hear you've decided not to waste your money

for 1200hp the t51 probably is too small. but sell it, i'm sure there are people who would be willing to buy it. Is the SPL larger or smaller than the KAI?

Also, you could go with a triple-turbo setup, in theory, using some smaller (cheaper?) turbos. The Y2K is a pretty ******* huge turbo, but for 1200bhp then you may need it, heh.

salamanzer

i dont want 1200BHP - id have to run it on methanol !

I want about 600 on pump gas (98 ron) and 800 on race gas (116 RON) - hence the triple engine -

it needs to be able to be driven to the drag track !!!!

when it gets there - stuff in the race gas and away !!!!

No the SPL is larger than the KAI - and is rated at 1000BHP on a piston engine -

hummmm - yes it should be good but i really need some sponsors !

Geeze i dont have like 40K lying around in my house !

i can afford the engine and car - everything else is gonna have to be borrowed and begged for !

Should get a lot of media attension though -

it will be the most powerful RX-7 in england - it should run 9's and look sweet as fu#k !!

Anyone have any other ideas of getting money - ie not robbing banks and loans !

J

salamanzer

BTTT

Also - what is the maxumum BHP per rotor ?

I see some people running about 200BHP per rotor - can you get 250BHP per rotor on 98ron 98mon pump gas ?

And 300BHP per rotor on race gas ?

Would that sound about right ?

i.e. 400BHP 13B = 200 BHP per rotor pump gas
i.e. 600BHP 13B = 300 BHP per rotor race gas

J

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the pump gas limit is about 250rwhp on us-spec 93 octane. i hear that ya'll's 98 octane (ron) is close to our 93 octane. so figure 250rwhp is about 325BHP. race gas, you can get a lot more than that. people have seen 750rwhp at ~2 bar boost. this is on a 13B.

i am not the one to ask about sponsorship, hah. i am not aware of too many guys on here who actually have sponsorship. most of the time it comes out of our own pockets.

salamanzer

GOD DAM IMPORT DUTIES - THIS COUNTRY SUXXXXXX

Well the engine is 15K

Once you have added the 'goverment's %' it works out quite expensive.

God dam it -

Oh well - this car is gonna cost a bit more than expected !

I can get bosch fuel pumps but they are only good for 650BHP - does anyone know a BIGGER pump than the bosch 044 ?

J

frode

salamanzer, just use two of the 044's in paralell. That will give you plenty of fuel.

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weldon. i forget the model name.