[QUOTE=PREACHER]I suggested to Raymull over at the RX8 forum and over the FLRX8CLUB that it might be a good idea to drop the 8 from the club name as to cater to all rotaries and he told me to go **** myself in the ****. That I was insulting him and freckle face as well with my remarks. He said that they welcome other rotaries like the 7.

What fun is there belonging to a club whose main emphasis is catering to the 8 ?
We changed our name from SOFLA RX7 CLUB to just RX so all would be welcomed to attend. If you saw the Clearwater event meet ... it was all about the 8.. Thier poster child.... some 7 owners told me that it was so clique-ish.. a bunch of yups in their abercrombie fitch hollister topsider boatshoes wearing attitudes. Reminds me of the V-ROD that was geared to the same Yuppie mentality. The club in Central Florida that I have worked in getting together its all about the Rotary and all Rotary powered vehicles are welcome to join... After all that is what it should be about.


You know, I'm so tired of you and your stupid *** remarks. Why are you lying? Did you think I wouldn't read this??? This makes you an idiot and the next time I see you, I won't just ignore you like I did at Homestead, I'm gonna shove a foot up your ****. Don't ever try to talk to me again. And the next time you want to insult my friend Betsey by calling her freckle face, I'll show you just how ******* mean I can be. You are ******* with the wrong guy. You don't know me. I don't drive a 7, nore do I intend to sell my 8 and buy a gen 2 7. Why do you think we started a club for 8s. IT'S BECAUSE WE OWN AN 8, YOU MORON!!! Every time you open your mouth, the dumber THE WORLD GETS.

The Clearwater event was started by a Mazda Dealership that sells brand new Mazda RX-8s. Last time I checked they don't sell 7s. So why do you think the event was about the 8. YOU IDIOT!!! There were 38 RX-8s, we had over 140 cars. You do the math, I know this will take you some time, but you'll figure it out some day. Don't be jealous just because nobody cares about your little club. Last time I checked, you didn't have Pettit Racing or Mazsport show up to any of your events. Last time I checked, you didn't have the Owner of the RX8club.com come down to your club and take pictures of your cars for his little rotary magazine. Can you tell we could give a rats *** about you or your club. We are just fine. So stop talking about us like we fucked your mom or something. You got issues, bring them to me. I'll solve them for you.

As for how we dress. I'm pretty sure that none of us are yuppie ******' anything. When you come back from fantasy world and quite making **** up just to give people the wrong impression of another group of people, you could sound convincing. So get off your knees and be a man, not some ***** who hides behind his computer.

 

Do you really think that I care or am concerned whether you would read this or not ? I could care less... I am sure just as Jeff has a forum name on this forum you could have one too... but I wasnt sweatin' it ... for what.. just because you had a problem talking to me at Homestead. I was more than willing to talk to you just like Jeff suggested but he said that you just get emotional especially if someone is attacking your club. I am not about that man.. I just simply made a suggestion and that is it and if you couldnt roll with it then make Bond muthaf. If you think that I am lying about you having made the comment to me then all I have to do is just copy and paste it on here. There is a good possibility that my posts on the RX8 forum might have been deleted like what was done with my boy Kandela...but thats ok.. I realize thats the way it is.. so I just roll with it aight ?

I dont know who Betsey is... but i was actually referring to one of the guys who made some sny remark and that guy actually had some freckles. I didnt get his name ... everybody else I met was pretty cool with me and if they didnt like me at Homestead they were quite polite and courteous towards me without conveying any animosity as you have so eloquently displayed. Jeff (JWhitzer) was pleasant and diplomatic towards me and in my book he is one of the good guys regardless of how he felt about my boy Kandela. All in all everyone else was pretty cool (Swoope, JWhitzer, Damnyankee, Evil8Miata, Mantis, Scott) and the person I met i believe was Scott who was there with his wife and children. Prior to HMS you posted some pretty mean things to me and that you would seek me out at Homestead... Saturday came and I looked for you but you knew I was there... you didnt come over and confront me ... so who is the internet thug here meng?

You know how many times i have to hear about someone being the wrong guy... because you post loudly dat dont make u hard ! So you started a club for 8's right.... ok... its great that you were that successful in getting one started and that you have website... so what.. that makes you famous ?
I only made a suggestion and that is all.
I hardly think that the SOFLA RX CLUB having 103 members is a little club and I aint counting the Benz's, Porsches, Harley's that people show up in to the meets. When you say that you had over 140 cars at your clearwater meet was that 140 Rotaries or are you including Miatas, Mazda 6, MPV Minivans, Protege and some 7's , I dont know how many other Mazda models there are. Why would I have Pettit Racing or Mazsport... perhaps in due time.. I have had Carlos Lopez of CLR Motorports, DAD, Drop Zone Suspension, Potamkin Mazda, DMS Racing, Super Compacto Magazine that is local or close to Miami.. my hood. I aint gonna sweat it ... I dont have to ... you dont have to know me... nobody has to so I aint sweatin'
Let me tell you one last thing... there is one amongst you who referred the RX-8 as a vehicle marketed and geared to the Yuppies...When he said it in front a group of people we were all surprised that he would talk like dat... It just so happens that its someone you know very well... so since I aint no Rat,, I aint gonna turn over this ***** meng... you know what im sayin' meng ?

 

cluebyfour perhaps there is a misconception of clearwater meet. i have a flyer that states florida mazda rotary meet. also rx8 site and posted on rx 7 club that "all" rotaries like my friends twin turbo miata, that was the best car there by far, were there to make the biggest rotary meet in[fla.] history. And dream of a eastcoast 7stock. How many 1st,2nd,3rd gens. I think we had close to 30 or 40. I think those of us, who have had the 7's during the non producing factory years in usa 96- 2003, when the 8's came out, are the ones who kept the interest and incentive for mazda to produce a car, as well as basic sports import market.

 

VERY GOOD POINT

 

Preacher, please allow me, as "one of the good guys" as you said, to put the final word out on this. Because I feel that you and Kandela (whom I've never met) have only one goal... you are trying to promote your group, not through your own benefits and accomplishments, but through insulting a brother group that you somehow see as competition instead of an ally.

What happened to you as a child that makes you believe that you have to make someone else lose for you to be able to win. Take a page from Pettit Racing and MazSport. They are true competitors in the marketplace. They fight every day to prove they have the better solution for rotary vehicles. Yet, when I invited Cam and the crew to make the 4 hour journey up to the RX-8 monthly meet (that evolved into an all-rotary meet, ClueByFour), and Betsey (I think) invited Scott from MazSport to make the 4 minute journey to the event, they both came knowing the other was going to be there. In fact, they met, they shook hands, they realized that they each had a way to help the other, and they left AS PARTNERS of sort.

As I understand it (since I wasn't part of the conversation) Cam expressed a need for a better engine management system for his SC RX-8 and Scott described his Interceptor-X. It looked like a match, so Cam bought one. If everything works out, Cam will have an SC solution for the RX-8 to battle Scott's Turbo solution and Scott will sell an Interceptor-X for each Pettit SC RX-8 kit.

That's called a win-win. Learn it. Use it.

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First, ad hominem attack, Preacher. Ray pointed out that you lied, you never responded to the accusation with any defense. Are you admiting that you lied?

Second, I don't know what else you ARE about except attacking our club. You've CLAIMED to be "a unitifier, not a divider upper" (sorry dubya), but your behavior has been NOTHING BUT trying to create a division between our groups.

Hell, even when I was angry at the childish behavior out on the track I told you that OUR members shouldn't embarass US out there or WE won't be invited back. I could have laughed at their toddler-like antics (and I have a toddler, so I recognize it pretty quickly), but I instead requested that you (someone who claims to have their trust) have a chat with them before the error is repeated.

...like you did to your own membership about the shirts?

Are you implying a vast left-wing conspiracy?

Let's give Preacher the benefit of the doubt on this one, Ray. Apparently some guy supported your post when he talked to Preacher at the event. Preacher did talk to Mantis at the event, and seemed to behave around her.

...and you have so overwhelmingly deserved.

jwitzer

I didn't "feel anything about your boy Kandela" until he opened his mouth and farted. I told you, to your face, that a few (as in plural, more than one) FDs in our rotary group were acting like children. I refused to help you smack them around when you asked me to. I simply requested that, when you return to your lair, you have a talk about what is expected of them in public.

Trust me, he was doing you a favor. He was being the gentleman. Since he couldn't say anything nice, he chose to say nothing at all. Another lesson you could learn.

I keep seeing a pattern here. Anyone else? Preacher keeps accusing others of creating clubs, hosting events, and promoting their cars to make themselves feel more important...

Hmmm. Projection? Preacher, do you feel that you have to remind everyone that you are the founder of a club, the leader of a club, a "preacher", head of a "better" club than all the other clubs out there so you can feel more important? Are you compensating for some emotional feeling of inadequacy? (And no, that wasn't a ***** joke.)

Can't you see that the Florida RX-8 Club is a group of like-minded and self-supporting people who don't view each other (or other clubs) as competition, but as an opportunity to learn and share information about the rotary cars they love? Isn't it possible that we get along so well that we don't need a "leader" to tell us what to do like a parent tells a child? Are you much older than your club's typical member? Do you have children? Do you wish you did but can't so you created this club to be your family which you have to rule?

If not, I don't get it. But I wish I could help you get over your self-importance. You've succeeded in creating a group, I love that you're creating sub-chapters which use similar logos (I suggested our logo since it ties in very well with the Indy RX-8 club logo and can easily do so with other state clubs), I like that the members of you club all use the logo as their avatar...that shows unity, I like the shirts you designed and even PMed Kandela that I would have taken him up on his offer.

(Quick aside, I did not request that Kandela be banned from the RX8club forum for his stupid and childish comments, in fact, as soon as I found out about it from his post here, I requested that he be reinstated so he can continue to voice his stupid and childish comments.)

As ClueByFour stated, the vendors were set up by Russell Mazda, who was catering to the RX-8 since it made far better business sense.

There were more RX-8s sold in the first few months than 3rd gens ever sold. As a 3rd gen enthusiast, I think that's cool. Without interest in the RX-8 (robrxray), I don't think Mazda would even be bothering with the next RX-7. There just simply weren't enough people buying 3rd gens to EVER warrant a 4th gen (they had to GIVE AWAY the 1995s), but the interest in the RX-8 kept the rotary alive.

Down boy.

Of course, you see his point, Preacher. You do what you want with your club, we'll do what we want with ours. While I don't think that Ray is interested in helping you after all the pain you've caused, I was still trying to help you prior to the HMS event with my post in the RX8club forum and even when I told you about the parade lap.

Your self-promoting post following the event is where you lost my support. I will welcome any 8 or 7 owners from your group into ours if they agree to behave as adults, and a few of your members have already contacted me privately to support my position and have shown interest in joining a club that does not feel like a dictatorship.

Congratulations, your club is almost as large as our club.

That was a total number. Without scanning the photo, I would estimate that 120 were rotary. There were very few Miatas (and one was a rotary), a WRX (Hi, Amber, we love you!), and Lowe Motorsports' pickup. I think I even saw an MX3!

Ray's got you there, Preacher. I saw t-shirts and jeans, mostly. In fact, I was probably the most formally dressed in my Cuban shirt, since I burn easily and hate the heat. Are *YOU* going to call a Cuban shirt yuppie?

"dat"?

Let him have his opinion. If he doesn't work for Mazda's marketing arm or for the ad agency they used, then it's just his opinion. Compared to the 3rd and 1st gen, I'd be inclined to agree that the 8 was aimed at a market more like the G35 and M3... an enthusiast who might have kids. But your 2nd gen was definitely aimed at the 924 wannabe set...yuppies if there ever were any. James Garner? A convertable? C'mon.

Preacher, just go on with your life. Stand on your own two feet. Comparing it to ours doesn't make you look any better. Don't worry, we don't think we're better than you, just better behaved.

I'm trying to get more members of our club interested in high speed driving schools. I've taken dozens and have had a blast embarassing pissed-on engined cars in my 1993 CYM R1. It's about time I get my 8 out there to see what it can do. Your crew, like everyone else, sure would benefit from some real, on-track education. Care to help support my effort? I'm going to approach the BMW CCA for their next Sebring event. Unlike the PCA (and you), they welcome other makes of cars and put on a great class. Best $400 you can spend and it'll make you a hell of a lot faster than some stick-on fiberglass wing...

I'll even buy you a Guinness at the wrap party. Final offer.

 

JWitzer,


A number of incidents took place on this past saturday at Homestead Motor Speedway which have troubled many members of the Rotary community. To organize my discussion, I suggest that we take one step back in the casual chain and shelter initially unpopular truths from suppression, enabling them to ultimately win out through competition in the environment of Rotorheads.

I find JWitzer's fulminations symptomatic of a dangerous but spreading mentality. Am I aware of how JWitzer will react when he reads that last sentence? Yes. Do I care? No, because I have a message for him. My message is that, for the good of us all, he should never caricature and stereotype people from other cultures. RX7 people are the true lovers of the wankel motor whereas the RX8 is the poster child look nice car for the Yuppie inbreed types of which I met this past saturday at HMS. JWitzer should never even try to do such a pouty thing. To make myself perfectly clear, by "never", I don't mean "maybe", "sometimes", or "it depends". I mean only that JWitzer wants to control your bank account, your employment, your personal safety, and your mind. It gets better: He believes that all major world powers are controlled by a covert group of "insiders". I guess no one's ever told him that his criticisms have never successfully disproved a single fact. Instead, JWitzer's criticisms are based solely on his emotions and gut reactions. Well, I refuse to get caught up in his "I think … I believe … I feel" game.

One of the goals of Bonapartism is to render meaningless the words "best" and "worst". JWitzer admires that philosophy because, by annihilating human perceptions of quality, JWitzer's own mediocrity can flourish. Although it requires risk, commitment, and follow-through to expose his teachings for what they really are, he maintains that doing the fashionable thing is more important than life or liberty. Perhaps it would be best for him to awaken from his delusional narcoleptic fantasyland and observe that he possesses no significant intellectual skills whatsoever and has no interest in erudition. Heck, he can't even spell or define "erudition", much less achieve it.

Just like dirty clothes on the floor and cluttered closets, JWitzer's mess won't go away if we simply look the other way. JWitzer's goal is to scar little children's self-image. How rabid is that? How overweening? How blasphemous? When his sophistries are challenged, JWitzer stages an outpouring of phony emotion in order to look good to the public. Of course, this sounds simple, but in reality, the real issue is simple: I am fed up with his snarky and unscrupulous behavior. All in all, I realize that this letter has seemed incredibly bleak. However, expecting the worst from JWitzer means we will never be disappointed. If we're wrong and he does not try to guarantee the destruction of anything that looks like a vital community, we'll be relieved. If we're right and he does, we'll be prepared.

 

Jeff,
First of all im not in any competition with your club nor do i try to promote ours by talking **** about yours. If preacher has done that its his choice and i have nothing to do with all that soap opera u guys have had going on since before the homestead event.

And by the way yes id be willing to send u a crew shirt as a truce so u guys can stop talking all this crap that comes out of ur mouths

 

Shirt to read
In front
Jeff
"JWHINER"
on back
MAZDA RX-8

 

Just messing with u MR. jwitzer

Seriously let me know if jeff and jwitzer underneath on the front and mazda rx-8 on the back sounds good to u. pm me a po box or an address were it can be shipped to.

Oh and i need to know ur size.

See i'm a good guy after all

 

Jeff,
Sorry for the mispelling of your forum name.. I thought I had seen an H in it.
I cant see how promoting a club would be best suited by mudslinging another club. That has not been my intention. In fact, I am surprised that you even posted at all since I have not attacked you at all but instead praised you.

All this started because I made a simple suggestion and that is all and your boy Raymull got all bent out of shape. I tried to shake Raymulls hand but he didnt approach me to shake mine. So what am I to think of that ?


I tried but he didnt surface to meet me...

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First, ad hominem attack, Preacher. Ray pointed out that you lied, you never responded to the accusation with any defense. Are you admiting that you lied?[/QUOTE]
I will look for his post and place it on here for all of you to read unless its been deleted. The Super moderator sent me a PM and told me to chill.

Second, I don't know what else you ARE about except attacking our club. You've CLAIMED to be "a unitifier, not a divider upper" (sorry dubya), but your behavior has been NOTHING BUT trying to create a division between our groups.[/QUOTE]
Was it not you who referred to Kandela as an Asswipe ? Something about learning to **** straight... that was the monday following the HMS event.

Hell, even when I was angry at the childish behavior out on the track I told you that OUR members shouldn't embarass US out there or WE won't be invited back.[/QUOTE] Alex Cisneros told me in our conversation just two days ago that everything was fine and that HMS was pleased with having us there. I think the owner of boss is a woman and how she was pleased with the parade lap.

I could have laughed at their toddler-like antics (and I have a toddler, so I recognize it pretty quickly), but I instead requested that you (someone who claims to have their trust) have a chat with them before the error is repeated.[/QUOTE]
I am a firm believer of confronting and if you ever have the opportunity to ask them they will tell you that I have always confronted and addressed these types of matters to them succinctly. This ocurrence was after the fact.. when the parade lap had already transpired. I simply suggested to you to talk to them in the group.. why not ? you were voicing your grievance... its not like they would have pounded you for making an accusation from an 8 owner to a 7 owner.

With respect to my posts having been deleted ? Yes, because they were deleted... The RX8 club is not as big as the 7 forum... we know that.. in fact if you log in on any given day you will see that there is hardly any movement activity on the RX8 forum.. I think you have a better chance of seeing Tumbleweed blowing by.

She was a cute girl and its not hard not to behave around her plus the fact that she was direct and honest with me as to how she felt or rather her critique of me and I recieved it. Now I would have recieved it from Raymull even if he wasnt that cute looking.


jwitzer



I didn't "feel anything about your boy Kandela" until he opened his mouth and farted. I told you, to your face, that a few (as in plural, more than one) FDs in our rotary group were acting like children. I refused to help you smack them around when you asked me to. I simply requested that, when you return to your lair, you have a talk about what is expected of them in public.



Trust me, he was doing you a favor. He was being the gentleman. Since he couldn't say anything nice, he chose to say nothing at all. Another lesson you could learn.[/QUOTE] Nonetheless I was ready and willing to talk and he didnt even satisfy any rule of engagement. Gentleman or no gentleman. I would rather hear some rude expletives than no words at all coming from someone who wanted to find me at Homestead. I have more respect for a man that can step up to the plate and talk to me face to face rather than run. I am a 44 year old man and a bit old school but that is the way things are done.. man to man.



I keep seeing a pattern here. Anyone else? Preacher keeps accusing others of creating clubs, hosting events, and promoting their cars to make themselves feel more important...
Hmmm. Projection? Preacher, do you feel that you have to remind everyone that you are the founder of a club, the leader of a club, a "preacher", head of a "better" club than all the other clubs out there so you can feel more important? Are you compensating for some emotional feeling of inadequacy? (And no, that wasn't a ***** joke.)[/QUOTE]
Accusing who ? I dont know what you are referring to. Founder is part of my signature.. its there and that is the way it is. Yes, I did create it and I have worked diligently to make it happen. Everyone knows that.. there will always be some haters... its expected not everyone is going to see the same path. You can roll with it or make bond and bounce.. plain and simple.



Can't you see that the Florida RX-8 Club is a group of like-minded and self-supporting people who don't view each other (or other clubs) as competition, but as an opportunity to learn and share information about the rotary cars they love? Isn't it possible that we get along so well that we don't need a "leader" to tell us what to do like a parent tells a child? Are you much older than your club's typical member? Do you have children? Do you wish you did but can't so you created this club to be your family which you have to rule?

If not, I don't get it. But I wish I could help you get over your self-importance. You've succeeded in creating a group, I love that you're creating sub-chapters which use similar logos (I suggested our logo since it ties in very well with the Indy RX-8 club logo and can easily do so with other state clubs), I like that the members of you club all use the logo as their avatar...that shows unity, I like the shirts you designed and even PMed Kandela that I would have taken him up on his offer.

(Quick aside, I did not request that Kandela be banned from the RX8club forum for his stupid and childish comments, in fact, as soon as I found out about it from his post here, I requested that he be reinstated so he can continue to voice his stupid and childish comments.)[/QUOTE]
It seems that you have a lot of pull over at the RX-8 forum... that is good.



The members of the soflarx club have contacted you privately... I can pretty much guess as to who they may be... There are some haters.. but its ok.. Im not gonna sweat that either. They possess free will.. so they can pretty much do whatever they want. If they want to join your club then the door is open. I have no reason to force them to stay. So guys... whoever you are that feels that you are expressing a desire to form part of the FLRX8CLUB speak so you can be heard and acknowledged. You dont have to hide.. just come out and be transparent.. I will understand but I do need to know who you are.



Its growing and will continue to grow.



Depends... was it a Guayabera or Cubavera ?

That is funny...

 

Preacher,

It’s obvious to me that you’re upset that the FL RX8 club already is a much better community than you could ever organize. You preach that the FL RX8 club wouldn’t possibly welcome 7s with its chosen name. However, even after 15 months of existence, the S. FL RX club failed to turn up any 8s at Homestead. The 3-month-old FL RX8 club managed to bring several from Tampa, Orlando, and Jacksonville. One could therefore conclude that the S. FL RX club’s problem with attracting 8s isn’t within its name; it’s within its “leader.”
I’ve read your posts before Homestead and thought you were a 12-year old *******. At homestead, I looked you right in the eye, shook your hand, and introduced myself. However, I choose not so speak with you at the event after overhearing your negative and insulting conversations about the FL RX8 club, individuals, and the RX8 in general. I adjusted my opinion and decided that you are a 44-year-old *******. But after reviewing your continued online attacks, I’ve concluded that you’re also a selfish, immature, and jealous SOB with a slight Napoleon complex. Your dismal 8 turnout is a direct result of many owners like me refusing to join a club with leadership like yours.
A few posts up, you included me in the "pretty cool" group. I hereby forfeit that title. At the next meet, I’ll pull a RayMull and avoid you like unprotected sex with Ethiopian transsexual prostitutes.

Robrxray, we recognize you know how to copy from the complaint generator, but still couldn’t write dialog for a porno flick.

 

I agree. But I don't think I'm the only one who sees so much mudslinging in your posts. I apologize if I misread.

I rarely post to defend myself. I post to ask questions, to answer questions, to defend those who have been wronged (friend or not), and to correct misinformation if I can.

Oh, c'mon, Preacher. This whole thing started when you attempted to raise the stature of your own club by bashing ours and by trying to take credit for our success. If you had asked, we would have helped. You took from us, then insulted us for having what you took.

I assume he was too angry to talk with you. You'll have to ask him to be sure.

Well, I hope he (she?) won't find my comments too offensive. But why do you think he chose to contact you about this trouble?

Guilty as charged. When he came out and claimed that I personally attacked him for ruining my parade lap because all RX-8 owners are slow old farts. ...or something like that. I can't go back and quote because that string of posts looks to have been deleted.

I went overboard because I had been working hard to keep my anger in check and let his little comment trigger a reaction. I have apologized to the Florida RX-8 Club for my behavior, having represented them poorly that day in the RX-7 forum instead of attacking him for my own behavior.

But I didn't say he was an asswipe for his club affiliation or for some assumed behavior. It was a direct (over) reaction to what he said. Though inexcusable, there is a difference.

Then we're lucky we got away with it.

While Alex did mention to me that there were some BMWs also being childish, I wasn't the only one slightly disappointed with our group. See, he shares my respect for challenging racetracks.

He also respects you, Preacher. See, friends can disagree and it's still OK.

You may call what you do confronting, but I've seen how you do it here, and it is far closer to attacking. I did not want that to happen in an otherwise decent event. I told you. That should have been enough.

Of course it was after the fact! Did you want me to run them down on the track and grab their throats through their car window?

"Not like they would have pounded me..", do you even think before you write? Sure, they've been really nice to me here despite my efforts to HELP OUR CLUBS SUCCEED.

Trust me, if anyone here thinks I've accused them of something or advised them on alternate solutions, I wasn't doing it for my own amusement. I am trying to share some of the lessons I've learned over lo these many years and give to you advice that those that cared about me gave me at your age. No, I'm not your father, but if I can help, I try to.

And the activity took a bit of a dive when the Florida group formed our own forum. As I've said above, looks like all of us had posts removed in this thread.

Yes, Mantis is adorable, yet tough. I'll let you form your own opinion on Ray's looks, but I haven't heard the ladies complain much.

I think he may have been far angrier than expletives would satisfy.

Ray is no young'un either. But trust me again, he didn't run. He controlled himself. He did what was right for the event, not what he really wanted to do.

Let me remind you:

OK, I'll go slowly here...

You think he thinks that creating FLRX8CLUB makes him famous because you think you're famous for creating SOFLARX. First, he was bragging about the group's success, not his. He is a member, not the founder. Second, he's not about fame, but I suspect you are. Everything I've seen him do has been for the benefit of the other members in the RX-8 club, other rotary owners (even strangers), or other sports car owners (even strangers). Many things I've seen you do appear to be for your own benefit or the fame of your club, which, again, is for your benefit.

You keep saying "my club", "my boy", etc. We keep saying "our club", "our members". See the difference? It's more than just semantics.

I'd love to hear your response.

This isn't about hating, this is about not worshiping you for creating a club. This is about wanting you to succeed on your own, not by bashing our club and scooping up those who fall off.

I didn't know I had ANY pull over there. I hardly post. Why, was he reinstated? If so, good. Maybe someone DID listen.

Newsflash: Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them haters. You are often wrong. Realize that. Correct it if you want. But it is not their doing, but their reaction to what YOU'RE doing.

Geez, now I'm giving life lessons to someone 2 years older than me!

You know, there is no rule that they can't contribute and learn from both groups, unless you think that this is some form of treason, Preacher. Do you need to control them? Is it your way or they're out?

We welcome dissent. A difference of opinion is how we learn new ways of looking at things. I always give everybody the right to be wrong! (that's a joke)

"It's OK fellas, just step out into the clearing so you can be shot!"

Hey, I'm a member of the RX-8 club and the RX-7 club! Ooooh! Heretic!

I'm also a chilihead. "Oh, no! You can't POSSIBLY manage to think about THREE seperate facets of your life in the same DAY!"

More power to you! Seriously. Support your fellow rotary enthusiasts. Support your fellow sportscar enthusiasts.

Wish I knew the difference. Care to educate me, please?

 

I understand. Please let me know if I erroneously blamed you for something he did, or vice versa.

If you think my advice is crap, please, don't take it. But don't accuse me of starting this or doing this for my own benefit. I'd rather be sleeping right now, but if I can point out some truths which help reduce the fighting, I'll try.

I plan on sharing a few Guinnesses with Ray tomorrow (****, to-) night. That is, if he doesn't hate me for seeing SOME of Preacher's side of this.

Cheers.

 

I'd love one.

Jeff and "jwitzer" would be fine. And the RX-7 epilets and your club logo on the back would be great. Remember, I love the FD (but only CYM, of course).

And, XL. I'm married so the 6-pack has left, and I like my shirts airy.

(I can see the jokes coming now...)

BTW, I've suggested a layout similar to Preacher's for our club shirts. It's a really good design. How about I have one made for you.

Frank
"Kandela 360" right?

Will you wear something that refers to the other rotary powered car?

 

Evil,

What do you have against Ethiopians?

OK, I've done WAY too much typing tonight. Hopefully we can see a little more eye-to-eye on this stuff.

Preacher, thank you for responding to my statements, instead of my personna. Hopefully you can see that I've been trying to do the same.

Kandela, hopefully you realize that I wasn't attacking you, personally when I requested that Preacher cool the group down a bit. Burnouts in a parade lap just struck me as banging your best friend's sister at their mom's funeral... whether it was intended that way or not. Again, these tracks are my churches, my synagogs, my mosques.

Peace.

 

I dont understand how is it that you continue to stir things up. If you take the time to read my posts you will see that my intent was simply to suggest dropping the 8 from the name so it would be a club for all rotaries. THAT IS ALL I SAID .

It is when I made that SIMPLE SUGGESTION that Raymull got all upset. Or at this point it may have been someone else that made the remark as well.

I am not upset that your FLRX8 CLUB has been successful. Not at all... I am not competing with your club at any level. There are plenty of Rotary vehicle clubs that are coexisting and this is no different. So accept it already that I am not upset and just simply that I made a suggestion in Orlando.


You may conclude that ... but who are you to make that conclusion when you dont have all the facts. Last year in December we had a meet at Markham Park where we had close to fourteen RX-8's. In this last event for several reasons they did not come out... it was a saturday and most people work on those days. I, for one do most of the getting the word out to the people. There are some that dont get that involved. This is an area that I have asked of the members to help out in but I suppose that maybe the attitudes in Miami are much different than those in Orlando (Central FL). I try to do my best to make things happen to send emails, post on the forum, and then follow up with phone calls. I even make a flyer and I go around to several establishments to post them. There is only a few persons in this club that help out in this area like Directfreak, AICRotary2, and Papsmagu. That is the sad truth. I believe that the true success of a club is not really its leader but rather the joint effort of its people (Members). When it came time to have a club shirt I sought assistance from its members and they all wanted one but when i needed to find a shirtmaker no one volunteered to help. Iansjames suggested a place that i should contact. I had a lot on my plate at the time and if some members could have made the call they could have helped me to take some of the load off. A former member of the MRCCFL who was at this Homestead event warned me about all the work that was ahead of me because I would be faced with the lack of participation from the body (members). I have often said that I cannot do it alone and in many instances it has been I who has had to keep it together. There is the fact and there was an instance where I dropped off from the club because I had had it with doing the work myself of recruiting, of publicity, organizing meets, venues, sponsorships, funding, raising interest, and a sleu of other things. Many of the members posted and called me not to leave because they knew that I had gotten this club on the map and getting the meets happening. Sometimes I do get frustrated because I would like the members to get more involved but I have to accept that its just not possible.

I dont see where you get all this ... again if I may reiterate... I simply made a suggestion about dropping the 8 from its name to be open to all rotaries. If you feel that is what its insulting then we are speaking different languages.

Selfish ? Yes to a degree.. Immature ? perhaps at times but I suppose we all cant be rigid and a prude like some Grey Poupon eaters.

Where did you get that verbage,... its pretty funny. I have to remember to say that one day when I want to tell someone off. Ethiopian transsexual prostitutes... I like that... its pretty funny

Robrxray, we recognize you know how to copy from the complaint generator, but still couldn’t write dialog for a porno flick.[/QUOTE]

 

JWitzer

I will reply to your posts later when I return. I hope this will finally end this rift. BTW I am getting your shirt made.. I suggested to Kandela last night to ask you if you wanted the SOFLA RX CLUB logo on its back or would you prefer it say MAZDA RX 8 ... as far as the epauletts .. well this shirtmaker does not have them on these shirts... but I will see if i can make it happen just for you.

The right sleeve will say " Mazda RX-8"
The left side chest will say " Jeff
on the second line : JWitzer

If you want something else on the left sleeve let us know.. I can have your company name or FLRX8 CLUB on it... whatever you wish.

 

You say alot more than that. My post illustrates why you're the reason for your club's failures. Even in the very same post, you called 8 owners "Grey Poupon eaters." You'd further loose attendance if you called your 3rd gens the same thing.

First, its not MY club. Its the Florida RX8 club. Second, your negative posts of events around the state (and even Georgia) indicate that you have a vendeta against any event that you can't claim your own.

So the fact is that even after months of notice, you weren't able to produce one 8, yet could find several 7s. Additionally, none of your claimed 8s could take one afternoon off with weeks of notice while the out-of-towners managed an entire weekend. Maybe your declining attendance numbers is a better indication of your leadership and additude. I'll admit that I don't have undeniable facts, but then again I've never seen any 8s out to support your excuses, either.

 

Preacher,

It's a shame that you aren't getting the support you need from the group. I fear that without it, you'll continue on a long, hard, frustrating road and may eventually give up, thus dooming the club. Let's hope these discussions help show the SOFLARX club members that their involvement and support is important if they want the club to survive.

I feel lucky that the FLRX8CLUB doesn't have this problem, at least not yet. So far, someone different has stepped up to "host" each event, though the core group is still doing most of the motivation, thus easing the burdon on everyone and making this pretty easy. The March meet was a different story since it grew so quickly and until the meet itself. Thus, Mantis, RX8Honey, Russell Mazda, and others were a little frazzled and overwhelmed at the event, but we still got pretty good feedback, especially considering all the "in the moment" decisions that needed to be made. Thanks, again, to everyone who attended and who helped out.

And while Evil is a little exuberant in his defence of the FLRX8CLUB (noting a pattern here? this is meaningful to people), I echo his point that the trouble wasn't only your suggestion to remove the '8' from our name. That was the last straw for some people in a string of events that continues until this morning. I do thank you for the rapid decrease in jabs and I will ask Evil to join me in letting bygones be bygones for the sake of the rotary community. I am glad to see equal effort from south Florida as well.

I would really like to get you guys amped up about a driver's school, though! C'mon! Who's interested???

As far as your generous offer for the shirt, it would mean a lot to me if it were the same as the other members of your club, RX-7 focused, club logo, and all. When we do our shirts (we've just started the discussion, and one thing about a democratic club is that decisions do take longer), I will buy one for you. Perhaps it will be the start of a rotary club joint group to help coordinate and lend support to each other's activities (or at least try to make sure we don't schedule our big events so people have to chose between). As other groups form, they can join in. Sort of like honorary members of each other's club, no?

Oh, and the Grey Poupon jab? C'mon, Preacher. Based on the modifications alone, I'd bet that your group is wealthier, or has wealthier parents, than our group's members. Very few here have chosen or are able to make any serious mods and still cover the monthly payments. The upside, of course, is that service and warranties are still in effect. Give us a few years. My 3rd gen was stock until about 50,000 miles, but it got pretty strong, pretty quickly after that!

Peace.

 

Why do I get the feeling that the one you wear depends on whether you're male or female?

Oh, and mustard is definitely the wrong condiment for our group. We are famous for our Habanero parties. I grow them and make my own sauce, usually 2 gallons of Red Habaneros - topped, half a cup of lime juice, a quarter cup of honey, and just enough white vinegar to get this to combine in a blender. Blend until rough chopped, about eighth inch chunks.

Add about a cup of this to a gallon of your favorite chili. My favorite chili is RayMull's recipe. (Chili also benefits from my second sauce which adds sauted onions and carrots, then heats the mixture through. Add another half cup of this to the chili for some real added flavor. Mmmmm.)

Mix it about 4:1 with spaghetti sauce for a pizza sauce, then top with chorizo (you ever hear of chorizo?), hot italian sausage, feta, and mozzerella.

Mix it about 4:1 with wing sauce for a pizza sauce, then top with smashed chicken nuggets, blue cheese, celery, diced red onion, and cheddar.

Use it straight, or with salsa, on tortilla chips.

Yeah, I'm basically Martha Stewart FROM HELL!!! Oh, and if you think any single word of this is BS, please visit our next meeting where RayMull and I will, again, keep the troops well fed (and hunting for beer). See, my wife is Cuban/Italian, and I like to practice burning her father's taste buds off.

Mustard is for wimps. Now, wasabi, on the other hand...

 

whats up guys,


Just got back from a full day at south beach. (wet *******)
Nine dirty laundries later the rx7 made it home safely

I think everyone needs to start chilling out on all the attacking each other crap and start focusing on the next meets and how we can get along.

So lets make an effort for everyone to start acting their ages.

Lets just chill and get wasted. lol

 

Guayabera is more elegant. Shirts from the old days

Cubaveras are the shirts they make now similar to those shirts from hawaii but without being so loud in their designs

 

This thread reminds me of the Donnie Darko movie.

 

I was only joking about the guayabera and cubavera... that is all. I happen to have both types and the classic long sleeve guayaberas as well. Goes well with a cubano cigar.

Wasabi... green paste (Chinese Horseradish) usually served with Sushi... that is pretty spicy.. i think a lot more than Jalapeņo...

 

Wrong on that one ...What Vendetta ? My goodness .. I have gone as far as the state of Georgia ? The SOFLA RX CLUB has been very successful. Perhaps not to the degree yours was with the clearwater meet since that seems to be the one you most talk about. The first meet that i organized was March 27th, 2005 and at the time it was the Miami RX7 Club and we had about 40 cars in attendance.. Each meet has had a theme. From Dyno Day Watchu got ? and
The 6th Meet was at Dolphin Mall
The 7th Meet was organized by TwEaK
The 8th Meet was Meeting of the Minds
The 9th Meet was Kiss of the Dragon (Dragon Motorsports) meet at Amelia Earhart Park four RX-8's at this meet.
The 10th Meet was Churrasco Asado at Markham Park Dec 11th that was organized by Simon 'Papsmagu" from Argentina and at that meet we had 14 RX8's. Brandon from Sarasota was there as well. Total about 60+ cars
The first actual SOFLA RX CLUB meet was held on January 23rd and it was "Birthday in Sunnie, FL" at Watson Island and Sunnie was celebrating her birthday... that was her gig.
The Second Meet for the SOFLA RX CLUB was this past month for getting the shirts together and there were only 3 RX8's at this meet.
The Third Meet for theSOFLA RX CLUB was the Parade Lap at HMS and this was AlexCisneros theme. He organized it and it was under his direction.
So as you can see we the club has not failed... unless your only basis for failure is simply the lack of 8's showing up to the events. That is not what we base it on.. we have had some very successful meets and the numbers are increasing each time. So you had all of your 12 people from Central Florida and we had only 23 7's from Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach... what happened to the other 30 RX8's that you had at Clearwater...why didnt they show ?


Phil 'AICRotary2' had bought a ticket for Mike with his Greddy Turbo 8 and he was supposed to have joined us but something happened at the last minute. VILBABY had her Yellow RX8 but decided to ride with her boyfriend Tito in his Silver FD. Arturo who has a pewter '05 RX8 had just had a baby just a couple of days earlier. The only one from Miami who was there with an 8 was AlexCisneros... but I guess you dont want to count him right.. well he was the only one from Miami that showed.

My time with you ends here... I will not entertain further any discussion with you. You keep to your club and I to mine. Be well.