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01-10-05, 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Sledgehammer
Well, apparently Ian will do ANYTHING to see that I will not have a chance at the presidency.
How do you win an election? You simply revoke the membership of your challenger.
Yes, you heard it right. When I talked to Berny about comments made by Ian about my SevenStock Caravan, Berny was rather upset that he was brought into the mess by Ian. In response, Berny nixxed all talks of SevenStock East because the club isn't stable enough to put on that type of event.
Since Berny pulled SSE because of IAN's doings, he takes his anger out on me by revoking my CHARTER MEMBERSHIP, therefore eliminating me from my run at the presidency.
On the topic of my being moderated on MRCCFL, straight from the source,
"You are very perceptive Brian. Yes, you are censored 100%, though "banned"
is the proper terminology. You are not running for anything and nobody
wants to see your dirty politics"
"Your membership in MRCCFL was revoked back when Berny
Herrera said there would be no SevenStock in FL. As a result, you have lost
all privileges on the list. That is why you cant post or participate."
Too bad the rest of the Charter Members can't throw the bum out. Personally I think he's afraid he'll lose the election and this is his last attempt to ensure he stays on. If he's so confident he will win, he should have no problem letting the election run it's course.
This is a sad, sad day for MRCCFL.
How do you win an election? You simply revoke the membership of your challenger.
Yes, you heard it right. When I talked to Berny about comments made by Ian about my SevenStock Caravan, Berny was rather upset that he was brought into the mess by Ian. In response, Berny nixxed all talks of SevenStock East because the club isn't stable enough to put on that type of event.
Since Berny pulled SSE because of IAN's doings, he takes his anger out on me by revoking my CHARTER MEMBERSHIP, therefore eliminating me from my run at the presidency.
On the topic of my being moderated on MRCCFL, straight from the source,
"You are very perceptive Brian. Yes, you are censored 100%, though "banned"
is the proper terminology. You are not running for anything and nobody
wants to see your dirty politics"
"Your membership in MRCCFL was revoked back when Berny
Herrera said there would be no SevenStock in FL. As a result, you have lost
all privileges on the list. That is why you cant post or participate."
Too bad the rest of the Charter Members can't throw the bum out. Personally I think he's afraid he'll lose the election and this is his last attempt to ensure he stays on. If he's so confident he will win, he should have no problem letting the election run it's course.
This is a sad, sad day for MRCCFL.
… you omitted some very important verbiage from my comments. The interesting thing here, is that in the excerpts posted above, Brian very carefully dissected the entire text of what I wrote quoting only carefully chosen fragments, in order to dramatize, and portray me and the circumstances, in an almost sinister light. Kinda like Michael Moore style (Fahrenheit 911) Very clever
There is so much surrounding the circumstances behind Brian losing his membership privileges, that the reasons indicated in this thread are only the tip of the iceberg. I wont go into that here but to those who stumble upon this thread and don’t know the details of what has actually been transpiring within our club lately, I say this to you... if I had to boil it all down and summarize it, the bottom line would be that the general membership asked me to take certain actions, and Brian Smith is one casualty of those actions and he is real unhappy about it, understandably. This thread is the result.Take this also into consideration... Its impossible for a president to please everyone -- he can only hope to please the majority and that is the case here. Every president will always have a few people in the crowd that for one reason or another, might be disgruntled over something, sometimes silly stuff. Such people are often quiet until they see another person become vocal and on the attack. Then the disgruntled suddenly have voices.
Well, there are quite a few lies spoken in this thread. I don’t have a lot of time right now to dedicate to this, or address the false allegations scattered about this thread, but when I do, you will see a different light to all this. For now, I'll inform you that there is nothing "so sad" about MRCCFL. Its members are as happy as ever and they support me and encourage me daily to find the strength to deal with a small group of troublemakers who have tried repeatedly to cause unrest among the membership. Their efforts have failed and the general membership is tired of hearing them, their crusade has lost credibility. Some have called it a witch-hunt. Case in point... we have 300 people in our club, many paid (not all current) some not paid... now go and look at the number of views to this topic and compare it to the number of people who will actually have anything negative to say about me. Do the math. There is a group of about ten buddies who banded together a couple of months ago to organize the *oust Ian campaign*. They failed miserably on our clubs yahoo group, most of them are now either banned or moderated at the request of most members, so now they want to bring their fight to the RX-7 forum. Moderators beware.
For now I must focus my energy on the business of the club. There is a new board of directors forming with a fresh outlook and lots of good ideas and energy, and it looks like 2005 will be the best year ever for our club. Right now we are tying to move forward with the election process. We suffered a few setbacks but we are a big club and we have some good people willing to get involved this year. I’m very exited about it.
Happy New Year to everyone - good luck this year - may your rotors spin swiftly kicking lots of boinger butt
Ian
P.S. Mods, what happened to my post count??? Weird feeling for someone who’s been here from the beginning
P.S.2 If anyone has private questions or comments for me go ahead and pm me or email me at publicist@prodigy.net
01-10-05, 11:08 AM
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Ian, read what I wrote again: "On the topic of my being moderated on MRCCFL, straight from the source" ON-TOPIC, not OFFTOPIC like the crap you spilled in between those two quotes.
There is no Michael Moore here. You look more like him than I do.
Less than 50 paying members and 300 EMAIL list members. That's not a lot of members Ian.
I'll have nothing to do with MRCCFL from here on out. I tried to make a run at the presidency to give the members a choice, but just like all elections so far, you have shot this one down. I can make a difference in MRCCFL, but Ian refuses to let go to anyone, not just me.
IAN, you are the one directly responsible for the club not holding elections.
There is no Michael Moore here. You look more like him than I do.
Less than 50 paying members and 300 EMAIL list members. That's not a lot of members Ian.
I'll have nothing to do with MRCCFL from here on out. I tried to make a run at the presidency to give the members a choice, but just like all elections so far, you have shot this one down. I can make a difference in MRCCFL, but Ian refuses to let go to anyone, not just me.
IAN, you are the one directly responsible for the club not holding elections.
01-10-05, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Savage
P.S. Mods, what happened to my post count??? Weird feeling for someone who’s been here from the beginning
01-10-05, 03:39 PM
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brap brap
oh yes ian.. but you can't even answer my emails about the simplist questions ever. You actually avoid the true points, and answer the silly ones.
1. Why does it say your account expired last year, you said you paid though?
2. You said your s/o paid, but hasn't.
3. She isn't allowed to be on the officers list - stated in bylaws, but you have to overrule that, and change it to fit your neeeds.
4. In the bylaws, it states that noone can use the club as a personal use. Your s/o stated that we're "interfering" with your livelyhood - stated in the bylaws, isn't that against the rules? Yet, you change it for your personal use.
Honestly Ian, you say the general membership is tired of it, but hey .. they only hear HALF of the bullshit, that you feed through their mind. Honestly though, get a life. You're nothing more than a hypocrite.. you moderate me because I have no rx-7, you moderate me because I don't want to vote for you, and disagree with what you say.
You are losing the people of the club. Way to go jackass.
1. Why does it say your account expired last year, you said you paid though?
2. You said your s/o paid, but hasn't.
3. She isn't allowed to be on the officers list - stated in bylaws, but you have to overrule that, and change it to fit your neeeds.
4. In the bylaws, it states that noone can use the club as a personal use. Your s/o stated that we're "interfering" with your livelyhood - stated in the bylaws, isn't that against the rules? Yet, you change it for your personal use.
Honestly Ian, you say the general membership is tired of it, but hey .. they only hear HALF of the bullshit, that you feed through their mind. Honestly though, get a life. You're nothing more than a hypocrite.. you moderate me because I have no rx-7, you moderate me because I don't want to vote for you, and disagree with what you say.
You are losing the people of the club. Way to go jackass.
Originally Posted by Savage
Brian… Naughty Naughty boy … you omitted some very important verbiage from my comments.
The interesting thing here, is that in the excerpts posted above, Brian very carefully dissected the entire text of what I wrote quoting only carefully chosen fragments, in order to dramatize, and portray me and the circumstances, in an almost sinister light. Kinda like Michael Moore style (Fahrenheit 911) Very clever There is so much surrounding the circumstances behind Brian losing his membership privileges, that the reasons indicated in this thread are only the tip of the iceberg. I wont go into that here but to those who stumble upon this thread and don’t know the details of what has actually been transpiring within our club lately, I say this to you... if I had to boil it all down and summarize it, the bottom line would be that the general membership asked me to take certain actions, and Brian Smith is one casualty of those actions and he is real unhappy about it, understandably. This thread is the result.
Take this also into consideration... Its impossible for a president to please everyone -- he can only hope to please the majority and that is the case here. Every president will always have a few people in the crowd that for one reason or another, might be disgruntled over something, sometimes silly stuff. Such people are often quiet until they see another person become vocal and on the attack. Then the disgruntled suddenly have voices.
Well, there are quite a few lies spoken in this thread. I don’t have a lot of time right now to dedicate to this, or address the false allegations scattered about this thread, but when I do, you will see a different light to all this. For now, I'll inform you that there is nothing "so sad" about MRCCFL. Its members are as happy as ever and they support me and encourage me daily to find the strength to deal with a small group of troublemakers who have tried repeatedly to cause unrest among the membership. Their efforts have failed and the general membership is tired of hearing them, their crusade has lost credibility. Some have called it a witch-hunt. Case in point... we have 300 people in our club, many paid (not all current) some not paid... now go and look at the number of views to this topic and compare it to the number of people who will actually have anything negative to say about me. Do the math. There is a group of about ten buddies who banded together a couple of months ago to organize the *oust Ian campaign*. They failed miserably on our clubs yahoo group, most of them are now either banned or moderated at the request of most members, so now they want to bring their fight to the RX-7 forum. Moderators beware.
For now I must focus my energy on the business of the club. There is a new board of directors forming with a fresh outlook and lots of good ideas and energy, and it looks like 2005 will be the best year ever for our club. Right now we are tying to move forward with the election process. We suffered a few setbacks but we are a big club and we have some good people willing to get involved this year. I’m very exited about it.
Happy New Year to everyone - good luck this year - may your rotors spin swiftly kicking lots of boinger butt
Ian
P.S. Mods, what happened to my post count??? Weird feeling for someone who’s been here from the beginning
P.S.2 If anyone has private questions or comments for me go ahead and pm me or email me at publicist@prodigy.net
… you omitted some very important verbiage from my comments. The interesting thing here, is that in the excerpts posted above, Brian very carefully dissected the entire text of what I wrote quoting only carefully chosen fragments, in order to dramatize, and portray me and the circumstances, in an almost sinister light. Kinda like Michael Moore style (Fahrenheit 911) Very clever
There is so much surrounding the circumstances behind Brian losing his membership privileges, that the reasons indicated in this thread are only the tip of the iceberg. I wont go into that here but to those who stumble upon this thread and don’t know the details of what has actually been transpiring within our club lately, I say this to you... if I had to boil it all down and summarize it, the bottom line would be that the general membership asked me to take certain actions, and Brian Smith is one casualty of those actions and he is real unhappy about it, understandably. This thread is the result.Take this also into consideration... Its impossible for a president to please everyone -- he can only hope to please the majority and that is the case here. Every president will always have a few people in the crowd that for one reason or another, might be disgruntled over something, sometimes silly stuff. Such people are often quiet until they see another person become vocal and on the attack. Then the disgruntled suddenly have voices.
Well, there are quite a few lies spoken in this thread. I don’t have a lot of time right now to dedicate to this, or address the false allegations scattered about this thread, but when I do, you will see a different light to all this. For now, I'll inform you that there is nothing "so sad" about MRCCFL. Its members are as happy as ever and they support me and encourage me daily to find the strength to deal with a small group of troublemakers who have tried repeatedly to cause unrest among the membership. Their efforts have failed and the general membership is tired of hearing them, their crusade has lost credibility. Some have called it a witch-hunt. Case in point... we have 300 people in our club, many paid (not all current) some not paid... now go and look at the number of views to this topic and compare it to the number of people who will actually have anything negative to say about me. Do the math. There is a group of about ten buddies who banded together a couple of months ago to organize the *oust Ian campaign*. They failed miserably on our clubs yahoo group, most of them are now either banned or moderated at the request of most members, so now they want to bring their fight to the RX-7 forum. Moderators beware.
For now I must focus my energy on the business of the club. There is a new board of directors forming with a fresh outlook and lots of good ideas and energy, and it looks like 2005 will be the best year ever for our club. Right now we are tying to move forward with the election process. We suffered a few setbacks but we are a big club and we have some good people willing to get involved this year. I’m very exited about it.
Happy New Year to everyone - good luck this year - may your rotors spin swiftly kicking lots of boinger butt
Ian
P.S. Mods, what happened to my post count??? Weird feeling for someone who’s been here from the beginning
P.S.2 If anyone has private questions or comments for me go ahead and pm me or email me at publicist@prodigy.net
01-10-05, 04:34 PM
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I was one of the founding members of the original RX-7 Club of Florida back in '97 or so. The key purpose of that group was to tie together RX-7 people in Florida for organizing get-togethers. We (Dave Girvan, Carlos Iglesias, and myself) never wanted a "big" club with dues, officers, and the like. We kept it simple. Main reason is when you bring politics and money into it, problems can easily arise.
We had a number of really great, really fun get-togethers with good turnout. I ran the old Florida RX-7 list on the listserv at UWF while I worked there. Which, BTW, I discovered there's still an active archive -
http://mailer.uwf.edu/archives/fl-rx7.html
If you'd like to hop in a time machine.
Anyhow, I was never keen on the MRCCFL name. I can understand inviting other RX's to the club, but good lord that name's a mouthful! We originally decided on RX-7 Club of Florida because it's quick, simple, and to the point. IMHO I'd go back with that name in a heartbeat. Yes, it excludes the early RX's and the RX-8 in name, but those guys get the point and I doubt they'd be that offended. I think RX-8 folks will probably be in a minority for some time, or concentrate on their own clubs, which is fine. The RX-8 has really attracted a different group of folks into the mix.
I think Brian has the right idea - start a new Florida club, open up a new Yahoo Groups account for the club, and let things happen. I'd join in a heartbeat. Keep money out of the equation, and keep the politicking simple, and you'd have a winning equation.
You're always going to have a lot of change with enthusiast-run clubs. Nothing is going to be permanent. Heck, I ran the list at UWF for some time until I switched jobs and lost access to the listserv. You have members that are hardcore rotary nuts for life, you have guys that get disillusioned with the car and move on, you have people that are sideline bystanders that only show up to events that are an hour's drive....you get the idea. With so much change, it's highly unlikely that something can be permanent. It's also hard to have consistency when people are doing things in their spare time, much of which is taken just working on the car the club is focused on.
Dale
We had a number of really great, really fun get-togethers with good turnout. I ran the old Florida RX-7 list on the listserv at UWF while I worked there. Which, BTW, I discovered there's still an active archive -
http://mailer.uwf.edu/archives/fl-rx7.html
If you'd like to hop in a time machine
. Anyhow, I was never keen on the MRCCFL name. I can understand inviting other RX's to the club, but good lord that name's a mouthful! We originally decided on RX-7 Club of Florida because it's quick, simple, and to the point. IMHO I'd go back with that name in a heartbeat. Yes, it excludes the early RX's and the RX-8 in name, but those guys get the point and I doubt they'd be that offended. I think RX-8 folks will probably be in a minority for some time, or concentrate on their own clubs, which is fine. The RX-8 has really attracted a different group of folks into the mix.
I think Brian has the right idea - start a new Florida club, open up a new Yahoo Groups account for the club, and let things happen. I'd join in a heartbeat. Keep money out of the equation, and keep the politicking simple, and you'd have a winning equation.
You're always going to have a lot of change with enthusiast-run clubs. Nothing is going to be permanent. Heck, I ran the list at UWF for some time until I switched jobs and lost access to the listserv. You have members that are hardcore rotary nuts for life, you have guys that get disillusioned with the car and move on, you have people that are sideline bystanders that only show up to events that are an hour's drive....you get the idea. With so much change, it's highly unlikely that something can be permanent. It's also hard to have consistency when people are doing things in their spare time, much of which is taken just working on the car the club is focused on.
Dale
01-10-05, 05:51 PM
#34
brap brap
I guess by that statement, you have now revoked her
membership?
I wasn't aware that asking a question could result in
a banishment.
--- Ian Savage <publicist@prodigy.net> wrote:
> Yesterday 08:27 PM
> christi Do you think that's possible to start
> a NEW club? Do you think people are willing to go
> that far, as to do something like MRCCFL?
>
> I'm just wondering.
>
> Christi
> ----------------------------------------
>
>
> Christi. Sorry, you knew the rules.
> Ian Savage
HEY IAN,
guess what.. keep you rclub as i dont want it. or be apart of it. For the fcrt that you have to revoke my membership on both the off topic and mrccfl is just abuse of power. Pleaße... stop my membership from MRccFL. I do not want anything to do with your abusive power in my way.
If my membership is not done or anything.. and I see another charge on the CC, I can always go to a LAWYER, like you are threaten to do to Brian, for fraud of using a CC without permisson when asked to stop the payments.
So Ian, if you want to keep doing what you are doing go ahead. I am not one person who will take such abuse from your lame integirty. It is pathetic and not wanted around me.. and alot of people are fed up with your abusive actions.
When are you going to follow by your own bylaws? Do you think the court and your laywer will like the fac t that you lie about alot of stuff? Or try to rip people off by making more rules to fir your needs?
Get a life Ian. If you want to try and screw with mine, you are **** out off lluck. I wish you the best. Congrats on making your goal.
membership?
I wasn't aware that asking a question could result in
a banishment.
--- Ian Savage <publicist@prodigy.net> wrote:
> Yesterday 08:27 PM
> christi Do you think that's possible to start
> a NEW club? Do you think people are willing to go
> that far, as to do something like MRCCFL?
>
> I'm just wondering.
>
> Christi
> ----------------------------------------
>
>
> Christi. Sorry, you knew the rules.
> Ian Savage
HEY IAN,
guess what.. keep you rclub as i dont want it. or be apart of it. For the fcrt that you have to revoke my membership on both the off topic and mrccfl is just abuse of power. Pleaße... stop my membership from MRccFL. I do not want anything to do with your abusive power in my way.
If my membership is not done or anything.. and I see another charge on the CC, I can always go to a LAWYER, like you are threaten to do to Brian, for fraud of using a CC without permisson when asked to stop the payments.
So Ian, if you want to keep doing what you are doing go ahead. I am not one person who will take such abuse from your lame integirty. It is pathetic and not wanted around me.. and alot of people are fed up with your abusive actions.
When are you going to follow by your own bylaws? Do you think the court and your laywer will like the fac t that you lie about alot of stuff? Or try to rip people off by making more rules to fir your needs?
Get a life Ian. If you want to try and screw with mine, you are **** out off lluck. I wish you the best. Congrats on making your goal.
01-10-05, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by dcfc3s
I think Brian has the right idea - start a new Florida club, open up a new Yahoo Groups account for the club, and let things happen. I'd join in a heartbeat. Keep money out of the equation, and keep the politicking simple, and you'd have a winning equation.
Hey Dale, check out www.rx7clubofflorida.com
I was going to announce it on the local sites today.
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01-10-05, 09:02 PM
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Makes sense to me if the incumbant President doesn't want an election remove your compitition, if your the party running for office and get removed start your own club !!!! Together we stand, devided we are few. Too bad Ian doesn't represent his signature on the officers list. I'll have to see if I have an old copy and post his sig. Hooligan Jack
01-10-05, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by oneflytrini
So is this the new MRCCFL. As I finally have a credit card, and wish to join, but now im not too sure about whats going on.
Save your money bro. Don't get yourself caught up in something you don't understand. If you want you can still join the email list so as to be aware of whatever is going on.
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where has the mrccfl been anyway?????????????
i have tried to get a hold of any member in the north florida area a few times over the past 4 years!!!!!!!!
and never any response from anyone???????
it was my understanding that there was no mrccfl at all in florida anymore.
if you guys are having problems with who is president, isn't there a group or person to over see the state clubs??
i have tried to get a hold of any member in the north florida area a few times over the past 4 years!!!!!!!!
and never any response from anyone???????
it was my understanding that there was no mrccfl at all in florida anymore.
if you guys are having problems with who is president, isn't there a group or person to over see the state clubs??
07-29-05, 07:36 AM
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some of you rotards just don't get it... "Clubs" (where you pay dues etc.) are a dead format from the days before the internet. Sure some old clubs like the Porsche club still are very organized but its all old guys who don't own computers anyway and need to see their name printed in a newsletter to feel good about themselves. This is the RX7 Club!!! Sure there are some other forums for those who got pissed at this forum (for whatever reason), but you get the idea. If you want a BBQ, event, or whatever... organize it, advertise it here, and people will come! Let the MRCCFL rest in peace and just enjoy what we have. If you want a "newsletter" buy a subscription to RX tuner.
07-29-05, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Turbo Timmy
"Clubs" (where you pay dues etc.) are a dead format from the days before the internet.
However, you are correct that net versus organized club is in part a function of age. As an "old guy" standing in a parking lot and staring into engine bays has little appeal.
My $.02
07-29-05, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbo Timmy
Tavares was a NP event. Any "failure" was from their lack of advertisement on other channels. They chose a small attendance over "undesirable attendees"
07-29-05, 06:58 PM
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where has the mrccfl been anyway?????????????
i have tried to get a hold of any member in the north florida area a few times over the past 4 years!!!!!!!!
and never any response from anyone???????
it was my understanding that there was no mrccfl at all in florida anymore.
if you guys are having problems with who is president, isn't there a group or person to over see the state clubs??
i have tried to get a hold of any member in the north florida area a few times over the past 4 years!!!!!!!!
and never any response from anyone???????
it was my understanding that there was no mrccfl at all in florida anymore.
if you guys are having problems with who is president, isn't there a group or person to over see the state clubs??
Well as former VP from before Ian, and the first year when he decided to Fleece the club, and remove anyone elses rights etcc..etc..etc.. I left.. as did many other members.
He owned the name at the Yahoo group.. and bought the MRCCFL name, and then took control of the website my wife made.. and basically quietly made it Ians club. Ian isnt his real name either.
In a nutshell it is Ian's private club, and he regulates ALL posts that are made to the club. If you try to elect a new person or overthrow him.. he freaks.. and kicks you out if you are negative to his thoughts and Ideas. I left before he became a complete ***.
There are a lot of members I truly like and respect.. but I dont see them often because the club is CLOSED to anyone Ian doesnt approve of.
THerefore.. Stay here.. and go to events listed in the SE forum. Jerry Harding has some good events. He is Tampabay based.
Dont waste your time trying to get in touch with MRCCFL.
07-30-05, 03:19 PM
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brap brap
Originally Posted by jvb_racing
if i remember correctly, i ran across the name 'christi' in my last search of the panhandle a few months ago, is this the same christi??
Yeah. This is the same Christi.... why?
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Originally Posted by christi
Yeah. This is the same Christi.... why?
i tried a couple of emails again last week before i went out of town and there has been no response. i tried the website emails that i could find(that's where i found your name a few months ago christi) and that publicist email for mcdonald/savage.
isn't there a way to contact the Mazda Rotary Car Club, as in a general national club that all these state clubs belong to?
just change the name around some and start it back up.
it's kind of stupid for EVERYONE to be bitching and not just get rid of the problem.
i actually have been thinking about a sports/race car club myself, but, i work on the road most of the week. but, i guess i could always get one going and then try and find someone to handle it when i'm gone. i really like my rx-7, but, there are some nice cars out there that would all fit in a good club together.