who cares if the ls1 makes more power NA (read simpler/reliable) than our cars do stock with 2 turbos. who cares that it gets better gas milage and is more reliable, it's still "american junk".

yeah, the series 6 FD was sure one perfectly engineered car from the factory. i guess that's why they couldn't sell rx7's here after 95. it was too perfect i guess. hell, rx7's are like the most reliable sports cars ever! the series 6 sequential control system? the stock IC? the pre-cat we had to have to barely pass emissions? the stock boost gauge?.. genious. but the gay *** ls1 that is build by rednecks in their barns? pure crap.

 

Since you are so ignorant in your response. They stopped the sales of the Fd3s in the United States market for a few reasons. #1 sales were not doing to great, the majority of sports car buyers at that time were average age of 45-50 segment *Google Search: Automobile demographics 1990-1995" they opted for a corvette most of the time due to mazda having to drive prices up on the american models thanks to changes in emmisions and ac halfway through its lifetime in the us. At the end the car was HARDLY able to pass emisions, hence the reason mazda has now returned with the rx8 using sideseal which allows for a much more efficent burn. Series 6 sequential system is a marvel, and highly ahead of its time. However, if a vac line pops off its a mess until you find which one poped. But I bet youve never driven in a fd with the vac system in full order, its nothing short of amazing how great the car drives and how fast it builds power and torque. There were plenty of issues in series 6 that needed fixing, and the series 7 was the remedy to many of them. On reliability.. If you took care of your car properly maybe alot of you wouldnt have reliability problems.. Ive had one major problem out of my rx7s and that was mentioned above on my way to rotary revolution my car went through some problems which ended up being a crossed wire in my automatic to 5spd swap sub harness that i built and fuel pressure being a tad to low. I have owned everything from full stock fd all the way to the race preped t78 car dubbed godzilla, and besides that one instance have I ever had a problem after clocking over 1 million miles total in the fd. Hell my stock car daily driven put 110k miles on the clock before i decided to tear it down and it still had pretty decent compression. You talk as if there is nothing wrong with you putting a ls1 in your rx7.. Im sure you v8 guys would **** yourselves angry if ppl started putting 13b in a corvette.. Ohh now theres an idea..

 

This is the last response I will give on this topic.

 

I was tempted to jump in the middle of this and debate v8 vs rotard crap, but decided it's not worth it.

It's pretty shitty for someone to think it's a good thing when someone wrecks a car. I'm dissapointed to see some of the comments left by members here. It really show's a lot about your character. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't post.

 

1.3 that was the point of my post have some frickin respect people...trash

 

When somebody runs a 9.5 et in an fd with pump gas and a 13b, lemme know.

 

Aaaaand once again someone brings up the 1/4 **** again. Give it a rest, you won't win, nor will anyone else in this debate.

 

SUX was a pretty sweet car even tho it wasnt rotary powered.

Just glad everyone could walk away from it.

 

Ok you dont want to measure 1/4 mile (Even though it is the best representation of power) so lets talk auto cross.

Stock LS1 FD versus Stock 13B FD------Winner LS1 FD

You may whine and say it isnt fair so...

Stock LS1 FD versus GT35r single-------Dead heat, but add heads and a cam and the winner is again LS1 FD

Ask a DIEHARD rotary guy what he thinks about his first time in a LS1 FD. Here is a quote from TurboJeff "The power available at throttle tip in is nothing short of amazing if your used to driving a turbo car. Even with the stock twins which can't be beat for low end spool. On my first run I felt pretty comfortable with the car so I pushed it, coming out of a sweeper I got on it and, well 200+ lb ft of torque coming on INSTANTLY surprised me more than I thought it would.

The car is fast, what makes it fast is the FD chassis with good low end power. Of course with any newly modded car it needs some sorting but in reality it isn't that far from where it should be. The Nitto tires gripped pretty well but I do think that some of those new Hoosiers or Kuhmos could be a little faster, maybe by a few tenths.

It might have been the fastest car out there yesterday if we didn't have to run first on the cold and somewhat dirty pavement.

Andrew, bring it down to Medford on 4/4 and run it. Maybe I can run it back to back w/my car.

The more I learn about the V8 conversions the more I like them."

Or you can read it yourself here https://www.rx7club.com/race-car-tech-103/autocrossed-my-ls1fd-today-1st-impressions-280030/

Ok so now what are you going to say. It is superior 1/4 mile drag racing, and autocrossing what next you guys are better cause you can spin to 9000rpm?

 

You still dont get it... did I say ANYTHING about auto-xing? You totally brought that up yourself. The point here is you complain about the rotary guys bitching about V8 swaps. My point is, YOU are no different always trying to justify how much better a V8 is to the rotary by constantly trying to shove hard data down our throats. To some of us, its more than just the hard facts. Otherwise, the rotary engine probably wouldn't exist today. If you payed attention to ANYTHING I said earlier, you'll know I said "I'm not gonna front, it was a badass car... just not my flavor. I respect what others do to their cars, and i expect that respect back." As far as I'm concerned, I've payed my respect, complimented his car and did not bash, but you don't seem to be giving any respect yourself all though you seem to be demanding respect. And just so you know, I have had a first-hand experience with a z06 powered FD from one of the locals In my area and that thing is a beast. Just not for me seems a little too scary

 

If you like it cause it is a rotary, rock on more power to you.

I wasnt saying if your preference is for a rotary then you should change, my comments are more directed back at GodzillaT78.

I do find it funny though that a year or two ago all the rotary guys said show us hard data, now that we have hard data many people go back to the soul stuff.......I love you goofy bastards you are about the best thing going.

 

Well I'm a fresh 19, turning 20, y/o youngin. I didn't want an RX because I thought it was god's gift of performance, pursuing the car that puts down the best numbers in tests. I wanted a freakin car i could have fun in. By no means does a V8 take away from that fun.. it just makes the car hella more serious.

 

icon? what icon? isn't THE RX-7, THE ICON?

and how can u say it's something that's not? i see it making clean 11, 10, 9 second passes and still have the grunts in the twisties.

how old are you btw? it seems that your statement leads you to blind pride.

 

I would like to add something..

I consider myself as a serious rotorhead.. I currently own 3 FDs, 1 FB, 3 x 13B rew engines (all blown, addition to ones in the cars), and 2 x 20B engines for the future..

I also tried to go see other rotorhead across the country and also try to help out fellow rotorheads.
One thing I don't like to do is discriminate those with LS1 motors. To be honest with you, when I was organizing the Deals Gap event, Hinson Super Car was very eager to help out and sponsored the so called, "Mazda Rotaries @ Deals Gap". Even though It was called Rotary event, he was willing to help and only sponsor to acturally show up and support.. Yes, he's a local guy and I've known him for almost 3 years now, which helped greatly. But in general, he a great guy and his partner Lane knows his stuff.

The thing is that, we do things to our car some purists think we shouldn't.
Most of us on this forum care more about speed than keeping the car pure.. What I mean by pure is that we put non-oem parts on so that we could go faster or handle better or.. to look different.
I think of LS1 as another form of modification.. except more extreme in matter.. But the thing is that most of the LS1 FD owners know more about rotaries than probably 50+% of the FD owners on this forum.. LS1 project is a pretty big/complex project with ton of custom parts.
I know some will disagree and this debate will go on forever.. I on the otherhand have no clue about piston engines.. except I drive one on daily basis (Acura Legend coupe). And I will consider getting an LS1 into one of my FD when my daily dies and need another car as a daily.. If that time comes (my acura have been super reliable), i'll drop an ls1 and drive it to and from work.

 

well put. I'm not going to get into which is better and why, but i will share some of my thoughts as well.



I've owned my FD for close to five years now. The majority of that time it was obvious rotary powered. I've built and ported plenty of my own and friend’s engines. I understand all the in's and out's of advanced rotary engine building. I've been to rotary meets from Tampa to MADS. I've met, hung out with, and talked rotaries with enthusiasts from Jim Downing, to Roger Manfield, to Cameron Worth etc. I myself still love rotary engines, yet I chose to try something new. Even though i love rotaries, I personally love my FD even more now that it is v8 powered.



It kills me how much some of the rotary guys try and fight the issue that some of us have opted to put a v8 in our cars. I get more crap from rotary guys about how I’ve changed the engineering or stolen the soul of the most perfect car on the planet than you would believe. It really tickles me when they start and don't stop to think about all the mods they've done to their cars. If they are so perfect why are you changing them so much? It's like they are blind. I understand the rotary is unique from what most cars are equipped with, but get a clue and loose the attitudes. I still attend rotary meets and know many people in the rotary community. I find it pretty shitty when you're hanging out and someone will ask you about your car and what’s done to it then walk off when they hear you have a v8 converted car. It's so childish. I meet rotary guys all the time that are very curious about doing a swap, but then don't want their rotary buddies to know. “hey don’t let any of them know I’m interested, but…” It's so strange.



Here's the most interesting part to me. I used to be just like them when i first got my car. I was fascinated by rotaries and how different they are. I remember being appalled when I saw Jim Labreck start his project. "How could someone even consider that?" I thought. Honestly I'll even admit that I made a couple rude comments. Time went on, I built my different rotary setups and stayed with my rotard mind set.



My previous room mate has a 91 300z. He'd been through a few motors and decided he was done spending gobs of money on them trying to go fast. He bought a LT1/T56 setup and started to convert the car in the garage outside our apartment. I gave him **** all the time about how redneck it was. I'd get home from work and ask "How's the progress coming on your Camaro?". Don't get me wrong.. I though it was cool.. I'm a car guy, but I had to give him **** about it. So, he gets the car running and I get some seat time in it. The car actually lost weight, was a lot faster (especially on the nitrous), and was an assload of fun to drive. It also got more attention hanging out than you would believe. I started thinking, maybe this isn't so bad..



Meanwhile, I had just built my new aggressively ported engine for my t78/gt79 setup. I putted around with the wastegate spring for almost a week racking up miles. It'd been one week and about 800 or more miles. I finally hooked up the profec and turned the boost up to around 14psi (which was going to be low boost). and started driving the car more aggressively. It ran stronger than it ever had on lower boost. I was really happy. I took a friend for a ride, and the profec malfunctioned. Boost through the roof (that almost rhymes). The engine blew with less than 1000 miles on it. What a major let down. I was tempted to build another engine, but decided it was time to try something new. I did some math and found that by selling off all my rotary stuff I just about pay for everything to do a v8 swap. Staying rotary or going v8 would cost about the same. I decided it was time for change and went v8. I’ve never regretted it. I sometimes miss spinning a motor to 9k and turbo feel, but wow all other areas of fun increased with the car. I’m not building a turbo ls1 and the disappointment from lack of revs has worn off.



Imo, People shouldn’t knock the conversion unless they drive or ride in a well converted car. A v8 swap may not be for you, but at least give it a shot before saying it has completely ruined the best car in the universe.



Anyways, I'm getting off topic. This thread is really about Hinson's wreck, not about how we stole the rx-7's soul. I hope he gets his car back to the track soon. I know how I would feel if I hit the wall with my car, especially after putting so much work into it. Maybe the few negative contributors here who feel it doesn’t matter that his car is fucked up because it isn’t “pure” should think about how they would feel.

 

...and as i much as im trying to stay off topic of drag racing, I am going to reply to this comment.

The car went 9.5 @142 on the brakes blowing an engine the 1000ft mark. I wouldn't be surprised if it had broken into the 160's in the 1/4 if the run hadn't have gone sour.

I spoke with Hinson on the phone friday and apparently the car has been 5.6@133 in the 1/8th. That's scooting.

 

I would just like to add one small thing. These v8 guys brag and brag about the power and torque available over the rotary engine, but what are they really comparing?

Their debating the power difference between a 5.7 liter piston engine to a 1.3 litre rotary. Wouldnt it be fair to assume that an engine of ANY orientation would have more power if it had more than 4 times the displacement?? This will be a bullshit debate till we have a ls1 and a 5.7 liter rotary engine going at it. I mean look at it like this. My 13b n/a is 1.3l, i walk piston engines of 2.5l and higher without the slightest efforts. The racing beat 20b puts out 1000 bhp, and is still less than 1/3 the displacement of the ls1, could you imagine a 4 rotor vs a ls1?

In the end the rotary engine is the better designed and more efficient engine, the v8 just happens to have fuckloads more displacement. Its a completely uneven match and if a rotary and a piston engine of the same exact displacement were compared the rotary would blow that v8 out of the water. If anyone would like to prove me wrong feel free to post an example.

 

Typical retarded comment from someone who doesnt understand the point. Yes the displacement is MUCH different. You know what makes up for displacement and evens it out? TURBO charging the rotary.

Forcing additional air into the combustion chamber is the same thing as having bigger displacement.

A more even comparison is a NA rotary versus a NA piston motor some one needs to do that compro

 

Sad when you v8 losers must resort to name calling cause you know your wrong. Have you ever heard of the r26b? Thats a 4 rotor rotary engine with almost 2.6L displacement that makes approx 700hp n/a. No turbo to whine about, just plain old natural aspiration and it makes almost 2x the hp of a ls1 or any other n/a v8. Go ahead, say something........

Its about half the displacement and makes twice the power and their both n/a.

Also , i never mentioned forced induction, so what are you talking about?

 

A 4 rotor comparitavely is a 5.2 liter motor, and I'd love to see the 700hp n/a dyno sheet. I have a video on my computer of an n/a 4 rotor that is worked up pretty good, and the guy says it makes just under 500hp n/a. Still pretty amazing, but you can get just as much power out of an n/a ls1, and the ls1 would weigh about 200lbs less as well as cost CONSIDERABLY less. When you get your n/a 4 rotor project completed...please fill us in with complete pics/specs.

 

You're kidding right? You are comparing a specially engineer'd race car engine to a motor found in cars and trucks found on show room floors? Please tell me you're joking. lol Comparing the 26b to a stock v8 is like comparing a nascar engine to stock n/a rotary. You're talking apples and oranges.

It's really sad that pretty much any topic on the board in regards to a v8 converted cars turns into a debate.

Typically it starts with... a snide remark from a rotary guy. Then the v8 guy get's defensive and try's to say don't knock it unless you try it. Then the rotary guy starts with how we're all justifying our swaps. yadda yadda yadda. If you don't like the V8 swaps don't reply. 99.2% percent of this board is rotary related. Go post there.

 

i have never actually seen a v8 FD in person but i would def like to try and drive one and see how it compares....... it is alot of time/work/money to put a v8 in one and i can easily understand why someone who has blownup or doesn't want to spend $20k on a built engine/haltech/fuel system/etc etc would rather put in a tried and true V8. as long as its not all redneck and carbed i am fine with that

 

https://www.rx7club.com/rx-7-audio-visual-lounge-143/new-4rotor-fd-video-nz-421438/

You can see the video there. Good luck with your 4 rotor project.


Whats that? You will never do a 4 rotor project? You will never personally KNOW anyone who will do a 4 rotor project? Then why the hell did you bring it up?

I guess you are right...we are all so stupid for wanting to perform an ATTAINABLE engine swap into OUR cars. We should stop being so practicle and start dreaming about 100k 4 rotor swaps into our cars. Then we could all get together and talk about something we'll never do, and start beating off to a picture of a 26b.

 

I agree completely.

I'd be willing to bet it's cheaper for a c5r engine vs a 26b.

Actually, if I remember correctly. I believe I had a conversation with Jim Downing and his crew about how there were limited amounts of 26b parts even made.

It's a neat engine. I just don't see how it really has any place in this thread.