I am doing a maita rotary swap this winter.....was thinking about a Megasquirt, so I can run a MAP 3 bar..........but i cant see any clear advantage to MS and seems people are having issues
Now I ran a Rtek 1.7 on my rx7 with a streetport and it worked great.........
but i wnat to go MAP so I was thinking about the newer RTEK with a Emanage....will I be able to run them together and will I be able to do a map Elimination through this set up?
I have done some searching but to no avail.....any help please

 

Best answer: No...the MAF elimination has been discussed a billion times...

if the Emange has the option for it...I guess the answer would be yes..

 

this is the very reason I am asking this question...........all of my research on this forum has been woth regards to RTEK alone ....not being able to remove MAf.....however I have read in other forums that the emanage can eliminate the MAF and be replaced with a MAP......the real question is how will a RTEK system handle a piggy back such as the Emanage blue or Ultimate?

Thats what I really need to know

 

If you are considering purchasing an EMU why would you waste your money on the RTEK? If you are going to use the EMU to eliminate the airflow meter, why not use it to control the injectors as well?

 

the emanage is a piggyback. It's not a true standalone.

 

No ****?

If somebody is considering the E-manage the money spent on a RTEK would be an utter waste since the E-manage could tune around almost every modification that is put into the RTEK.

 

ok thats my problem......not money.as both used can run me about 400 bucks..
but the tunning will be better I think with both...I am not thinking of 2.1 just a S5 1.8 so even then I can use just a inline air flow meter which is still better than a flapper door............

No I considered Mega squirt but heard guys have serious tunning problems with it...so I dont need any hassle..I have used RTEK before and liked it for its ease and simplicity

 

get a microtech then

 

rogrx7.............dont be silly........if I wanted a microtech like everyone else, then I would not be on here asking about RTEK right?
so back to good advice......remember this may or may not help me but I am sure many guys have the same questions.......

 

so why don't you just get the rtek stage 2 2.0? its $400 and you just stated it would cost about $400 used for an e manage. the better thing about the rtek is it allows fuel and timing adjustments to the ECU maps directly. it doesn't make sense that you want to get an older version of the rtek and tune with a piggy back rather than just get the newer version of the rtek that allows tuning of the fuel/timing anyways.

 

I agree the Rtek is a GREAT ECUand will beat the pants of a piggypack for tunability and data gathering.

The MAF removal is in the works, its just going to be a while. If you HAVE to ditch your MAF get something else other wise get this.

 

AGENT D
I got very excited about the RTEK 2.1 but found out that it does not eliminate the flapper door MAF for a MAP now if I could use the RTEK 2.1 and even use the inline MAF such as the S5 or S6 use then that would be the way I would go , but from all indictaions the new RTEK is still only S4 and therfore I cannot remove the MAF with flapper door..........
with a older RTEK and a Emanage i might be able to get the best of both worlds..that would be goood enough fine tunning and MAF elimination...

does it make sense what I am thinking of doing?
Now in alll honesty the MS would be cheap and do what I want...but it seems guys have been having trouble with tunning it amm i wrong on that..I know htis is rteks forums but i am a rtek fan anyway

 

I wouldn't bother switching to an S5 or S6 setup, I'd just go with an MS and eliminate the AFM/MAF completely. Spending so much to go with an S5 or S6 for a small hp upgrade really isn't worth it imo.

 

Don't be silly huh?

You trying to combine two aftermarket systems when 1 does everything you need. I haven't heard of anyone with problems with the microtech...but if you chose to be stubburn and use the emange and rtek go ahead...

Good advice isn't what you want...some time its just the truth

 

easily offender are we? (rogrx7)

listen all I am tring to do is find a way if possible to combine 2 units to make one good tunnable system.....isnt thhis the kind of thinking that makes us as tunners cutting edge over everyone else?
this idea may work or it may be crap..........but none the less the idea is to combine 2 systems into one affordable fine tunnable system...
I am turning to my fellow tunners that may or may not have done this or that may actually see its viablity.........not to be difficult or start a war of words....

Now a Microtech or a halltech may be the answer for most people that have the budgets...and there may be no replacement for the spending of good money....but what IF we can find a way to cheat and spend less but get the same results or even better?

 

The thing is, you're wanting to buy two systems that are going to cost more than a newer RTEK to be able to do the same things, and not even as good. A piggy back plus an older RTEK is not going to be as good as a newer RTEK with tunable timing and fuel, and its going to cost more to get both. If getting an older RTEK and an e-manage still doesn't remove the MAF/AFM then it makes zero sense for you to be asking about doing both.

That is what we're trying to say, you're over complicating a simple situation. If you want to eliminate the MAF/AFM get a megasquirt or haltech/microtech/motec. If you want a good way to tune fuel and timing, get a newer RTEK and hope they come up with a way to remove the AFM/MAF in upcoming versions.

 

bingo!!!!

 

well you may be rigth! but does it hurt to ask>? you get on like noone should ask any questions even obvious....how the hell do we expect to grow if we dont question the OBVIOUS.......maybe ideas or new thinking can come out of doing things a bit differnt...ohh well i can tell you guys are stuck in your thinking and me in mine , but thank you for input....maybe one day i will find a way to be cheap and still be effective in my tunning and HP production

 

and to beside I dont want to go RTEK 2.1 because it doesnt eliminate my flapper door....that was the issue to begin with....so next time we offer opinions we should look at original question right?
so stand alone it will be

 

You kept insisting on using an emanage with an older version of the rtek which STILL doesn't eliminate the MAF/AFM, that's the only reason we kept replying, because you insisted on a over complicated setup that wouldn't even be as good as a rtek 2.1.

If you knew the emanage and older rtek together weren't going to eliminate the MAF/AFM it's hard to understand why you kept insisting you wanted to do it. You are getting offended that we are telling you that you are being overly complicated on something that doesn't call for being overly complicated. Rtek 2.1 if you don't want to eliminate MAF/AFM, standalone if you do, simple.

 

because of the wiring hassles, you are better off going standalone.

 

The fact of the matter is you want something to work your way and because you didn't get the answer you wanted you want to some how insult everyone...maybe to some how get a sugar coated answer.

Are you even making sooo much horse power you need to remove the flapper door...

You said money wasn't an issue so go microtech or Powerfc...

"Oh I can't because because because....." Exactly cause you want to go the hard way...you want to be stubburn and guess what there is NO cheap effective way to tune and produce hp because in the end when you pop your ****...its gonna cost you 4x as much because you were cheap

Why are you even asking questions in the rtek section anyway...if your not going 2.1 (tuning) you should be looking for a Emanage section or forum.

The 1.8 runs the same map but with 720cc, retards timing, and has a built in FCD.
So you think if you piggy back the emanage you'll some how created cheap and effective tuning?

Does the emanage adjust both timing maps?
Does the emanage control secondary fuel timing?


Does these features weigh out over the 2.1 just because you can remove the AFM?


Read your post and you will see how stubburn you sound...if not maybe let a friend read it...

 

Right off greddy's site

The e-Manage system is a true universal "piggy-back" type unit that taps into most Japanese factory ECU wiring, by utilizing the vehicle’s existing sensors (or optional upgraded sensors if factory sensors are maxed out). The major benefit is the factory ECU settings become your "Base-MAP" for tuning. There is no need for extensive tuning for normal driving conditions, but does allow the tuner to fine tune, adjust for injector changes, and add new MAP(s) for situations the factory ECU is not capable of (like on-boost conditions)

All of the above maps can also be map-traced in real-time as well. If the factory range of map or airflow meter is surpassed, you can incorporate a larger airflow meter or our "Optional GReddy Pressure Sensor and Pressure Harness" to set larger scales of adjustment

 

well NOW ROGrx7......it seems you get very hot under the collar easy.......calkm down son....I am not a newbie..just have questions unanswered....untill now that information you just posted is partial to what I have seen, but alot more clear to me.....I didnt quite undterstand some of the stuff I was reading on Emanage sites....butt hat post above does seem clearer.....

I have been building rotaries sucessfully for over 15 yrs running in both the caribbean and puerto rico, venezuala and other south american countries....but to be very honest the whole turbo and TUNNING thing is a blur to me , hence the reason I am doing this project to learn.......

I have always made things work for me...I hate just going and buying somehting because it is available...I have made things in my shop that top racing transmission people are using simple brackest we have made are being used by manufacturers who could figure out why **** was breaking...I am not boasting, but tring to help you understand I am not a stubborn man just always looking for other ways to skin a cat......so please my appologies if I come off as ignorant or stubborn....and thank you for the help


PS I love RTEK and have used it...made my life easy......THAT IS WHY i came on this forum...

again rog thank you for that vauable info it is what I need i think


I think I will go with either a RTEK 1.8 for the S5 and run the inline MAF if not a stand alone...

 

Calm down? Doesn't that require for me to be upset and furious? Sounds like your using some form of reverse psychology to make sure self feel good or something At no point was I hot under the collar, but if you insist for that to be in your state of mind very well.

Partial? Simply call or email greddy. It states (maybe unclear) that running a greddy map is either to allow for boost application (cuz of limitation to factor map) or if you have max out the capability of the AFM.

I never question your intelligence or your profession...just that you might have been quite stubborn to the answers you received

I understand what you want...I would love if the 2.1 was AFMless but its not an option at this point and it has it limits and if you want to exceed those limits you have to pay. People want 200hp to the wheel N/A rx7 but your going to pay..there is no cheap way around it.



Yeah..but your question is an EMANAGE question meaning you wouldn't need a rtek for what your looking for to work