kabooski

Yes after an email campaign and Racers
like Flaco complaining
There will not be V8's allowed in competition in 2003

The sport was built on small cc's not mountain motors

Turbo_Rotary

I'm glad dude!!! To me, allowing V8's into the sport defeats the whole purpose of import drag racing. Going fast without having to use a V8.

fdracer

now what can we do about the 2jz

kabooski

what about the 2jz lol

it's a good engine a true import motor
no V in the 6

Greg

they have an entire class for V8 cars, why would tthey be a problem anymore

kabooski

cuase Greg V8 does not = "compact"
They have plenty of events they can attend

Try going to Toyota Dealer and ask for a V8 RWD Celica
Not!

This sport is diffrent then others
we race what we drive
thats the diffrence

SPEED_NYC

iTrader: (3)

I was opposed to V8's in our sport at one time also, but now i reasize how important they are to our growth. as long as they have thier own class, they should be allowed.

I'm not gonna re-type what i did in the other v8 thread a few months back, but trust me, they will be back in competition

fdracer

what they should do is have a v8/3rotor class. there would be a lot more cars and the competition will be fierce. let's face it the 3 rotor has as much to do w/ sport compacts as a v8.

peejay

Ditto the Supra for that matter... come on the car is larger/heavier than a Mustang, the only fathomable reason that it belongs in "sport compact" racing is that it's Japanese. (But they can't call it "Japanese car" racing because then Hondas won't be allowed since they're made in Ohio...)

Kurgan

yeah, they should make a class for fast cars, and a class for slow cars.... oh wait, no! If a V8 is in a sport compact car, and in its own class (Maybe a V8 should be considered as 1 power adder), who cares?

The 3rotor is about as import of an engine as you can get... putting it in with the ol pushrod V8s just wouldn't do it justice. With so many engine, drivetrain, power adder options, its getting very hard for these sanctioning bodies to make fair classes... it'll eventually iron out...

Plus, I agree that V8s are vital to our sport... it brings in "The Other" crowd to spread the word.

peejay

Yes it's import, but it's not a "sport compact" engine... it was used in Japanese luxoyachts. If you allow it in a sport compact class then you might as well allow, oh, say, a Lexus V8.

Felix Wankel

I have an idea. Tundra V8 with nitrous in a 78 Corolla.

peejay

How about a supercharged 3.4 in an old Corolla. Oh wait, been done, seen it in SCC. (I'm surprised they ran the article - the car wasn't covered with a huge spoiler, 19" wheels, a $10 paint job, OR scads of vinyl decals)

I saw a clean, stock-appearing BBC swap into a Monza last weekend. I was dumbfounded... it was the proverbial 10lb of stuff in a 5lb bag. As if my mund weren't blown enough, I saw, well, mostly heard the guy leave. The engine had a cam so big that it probably stuttered and bucked at anything below 40mph. I approved most heartily.

- PJ ( "Life is too short for smooth idles" )

DELTA_Rotary

I think they should have just left it as "Import Racing" Left all the domestic guys out in the cold. Thats what the regular NHRA is for. If they want to run neons and cavaliers the regular NHRA should make a class for them. Keeping them out would solve the problem with all the large displacement Domestic V6s running in competition as well. I say let the V8s stay though and let them run in their own class since lots of import car makers have V8s. I think they should cap displacement in the NHRA events to begin with. No more than 3 liters of displacement in a non V8 class.

Nathan Kwok

I disagree, because the lines between what is "import" and what is not are getting blurred more and more. Is an Eagle Talon TSi an import or a domestic? What about a Stealth? Most modern cars are a blend of import and domestic, never mind the badge. The original idea of the "import" class was to create a catchall for cars that didn't fit into NHRA. IMO this is the first and foremost function of the "compact" or "import" classes, to give every type of a car a place to compete, I don't care what size they are. However we need to expand the classes, I think Import V8/3/4-rotor and whatever else doesn't qualify as compact yet doesn't fit into NHRA classes should just have their own class(es). The lines will blur and eventually you'll just see a continuous spectrum of domestic, import, compact, not compact, V8s, whatever, every type of car will have a place to compete and thats the idea.

T88Kid

Really!! Try walking into a Mazda dealer and ordering a rex with a 3 rotor. Or a 4 rotor? Not hapening either. This is not a sport aimed at compacts alone.......its IMPORTS. Toyota makes a V8 then guess what? They should be aloud to race. Within their own catagory.

peejay

Then they should NOT allow DSMs or Hondas because they are made in the US. And then they SHOULD allow ZX2s and Camaros because they are imports. (Made in Canada!)

Or maybe it doesn't matter where it's made it's where it's been designed. In that case Civics are out because they were designed in the US, and Focuses are in because they were designed in the UK.

The lines are very blurred, folks.

Maxthe7man

Damn and there was me thinking about taking an old datsun b210 and wrapping the front fenders around a 528 cid mopar hemi, import racer for sure right? Nash metropolitan and a 20 B instead??
The rules are gonna end being pretty convaluted, if no v'8s, what about foriegn v-8's ? Or just foriegn cars? Jensen interceptor is a foriegn car with a 440 chrysler from the factory, what about some of the rover v-8's? MG austin healey's, where do they fit? ... Its gonna be a night mare trying to come up with an ideal class system, what about v-12's and v-10's? Its gonna end up being thicker than War and peace by leonard tolstoy..Max

peejay

yeah, an MGB-GT V8, a TR8, and who knows what else are powered by Buick ("Rover") engines... and then there's the Shelby Cobra (UK car, US engine) and the Sunbeam Tiger (ditto) and Bristols (ditto) and your Jensens (ditto) and and and...

The way I've seen it worded was "any import, and FWD domestics with 4-cylinder engines". Which is lame because that allows a Nissan Maxima (which is NOT a compact) to run, and not a Taurus SHO or a Grand Prix GTP, all of which are the same size and have similar output DOHC V6s mated to 5-speeds. (The current GTP is a pretender, same for the 2nd-gen Taurus "SLO") Although technically the Taurus has a Yamaha engine.

Maxthe7man

Yeah even that wording is a bit exclusionary though as well. I don't see how they can limit it to 4 cylinders, but I could see class restrictions on displacment, If they make a NHRA FWD class, I may have to think about getting a 500 cid Cadillac eldorado and gutting the interior ..hehe, no matter what they do there is gonna be some oddball cars squeezin in and then getting squeezed out..Max

peejay

hey, if a lexus V8 in a tube frame "Celica" can run, I want to put a caddy V8 in a tube frame "Cavalier" or a lincoln V8 in a tube frame "Focus". Why not, after all we already have Cosmo 3-rotors in tube frame "RX-7"s...

Here's what they should do... 2.6l displacement limit. Period. Rotaries with straight 2:1 conversion. This way, everything from MX-6s to Conquests to 13Bs can run. No V8s. No big V6s. No 3-rotors (hey, fair is fair).

Maxthe7man

How about 3 litre flats sixes and the rest of the 911 breathren?
I am gonna have you write out a whole theoretical rule book before this thread is done..hehe..Max

peejay

Screw 'em. Have to draw the line SOMEWHERE.

Greg

ZeroBanger

Personally...

I run in the Street (V8) class. Typically there are between 3 and 5 imports and the rest are domestic. Sometimes I run in the compact class.

personally I think they should have a class RWD\AWD and FWD. Forget anything else. Most FWD cars are slow, if a RWD\AWD car is slow, well....Too bad it should have been made FWD.

Its great having an RX7, everytime I go to sears point they ask me what class I want to run in.