gorockrx

OK,
Need to know if the Starion/Conquest IC (that I already had) is worth the install hassle for my mods. I can't go to a bigger turbo yet so I want the setup I have to last a while. OR
Should I find one of those Izuzu truck IC's like Crisspeed recommends. I already have the IC, I just want to see what you people are running and how it is performing for you.

I will try to post a picture of it later, but I know most of you know what they look like. I have to take the front of my car off anyway due to me hitting a deer last year

So, I might as well do the extra work and put a FMIC while I have it off. Anybody got pics of an install of one of these? I would really like to see some pictures of pipe routing and what pipes were used.

Thanks.......Greg

FEARED7

Whats up. You should listen to Chris. He is a great person to give you advise.
The Bad thing about the starion FM is it has lots of pressure drop! you will lose 5 psi of pressure blowing through that core! Be sure if you use it to turn up the boost to compensate for the loss!

Later,
Bryan
www.bnrsupercars.com

rxrotary2_7

if that is the route you want to go, sell that ic to some honda guy on ebay (it is okay for them with a low boost system, and get an isuzu npr or nrr ic from ebay (or just send me a PM ). that would be your best bet.

refer to these results:

The NPR IC: at 329cfm and 290°F on the inlet side of the IC, the
pressure
drop is 0.09psi. The outlet temp is 130°F, heat rejected is 55553
BTU/hr, and
the calculated heat exchange area is 1404 square inches.

Starion IC : (the bigger one) at 324cfm and 292°F on the inlet side of
the
IC, the pressure drop is 0.29psi. The outlet temp is 139°F, heat
rejected is
52287 BTU/hr, and the calculated heat exchange area is 1217 square
inches.

Saab 9000 IC: at 332cfm and 295°F on the inlet side of the IC, the
pressure
drop is 0.81psi. The outlet temp is 123°F, heat rejected is 60350
BTU/hr, and
the calculated heat exchange area is 1602 square inches.

Volvo IC: at 331cfm and 293°F on the inlet side of the IC, the pressure
drop
is 0.55psi. The outlet temp is 126°F, heat rejected is 58809 BTU/hr,
and the
calculated heat exchange area is 1539 square inches.

gorockrx

rxrotary2 7 Thanks alot for that info!

Does anyone have any pitures of FMIC installs on their FC Turbo? PLEASE post, or send me a PM or e-mail. Thanks!

I got the 14 row Starion IC from a guy who owes me money. I am getting up to 20 psi out of my stock turbo (wastegate problem) so pressure drop is not necesarily a bad thing

The heat transfer IS a big deal though. I live in MS and it gets VERY hot here in the summer, so I need a good IC. The lower the temp, the better. I want to run 10psi of boost at my current mod level, but I am in the middle of fixing my ignition and wastegate. They are both acting up. If I can't fix this mess, then I will sell some parts and get a stand-alone.

I think that My intake temps are high, and causing detonation problems. I am also getting an EGT guage asap. My A/F works VERY good (it's a custom narrow band), but it's just not enough information on what the engine is doing. If the engine is just screwed up then I will probably get a JDM block.

Thanks!

RXTASY1

Here's mine. Greddy.

vmb

WHERE!

rxrotary2_7

i'll post a pic as soon as i can.

bkapold@aol.com

The Starion FMIC isn't the best flowing unit out there, but I ran 12.1 @ 116mph using one. So you tell me? If your on a budget it will work fine...Is a Spearco better?? You bet. If you hack those small ends off on the Starion and tig 2.5 ends on it will help alot....

gorockrx

That sounds like a good idea. I am on a 2 baby budget and those dang diapers are expensive!!!

I had 3 RX7's when I got married and now I only have my oldest one left...........let that be a warning to you rotorheads.....hehe

I am aiming for mid to low 13's with my setup on my 87 TII, and I am almost there, but since it is a daily driver of over 100 miles, I have to have it last a while.

I may check the local junkyards for another type of IC. Maybe I can find something else, or I may get some better outlets put on it. That pipe is pretty small compared to what I am used to running. I can see from the design why it caused a pressure drop. Thanks for the info and ideas!

vmb

how much boost would it lower on a stock turbo?
im actually wanting to lower boost on my car!

flubyux2

cranking the boost to compensate for the pressure drop doesnt make things better.

you lower your compressor efficiency. pretend you have a max efficiency of 75% (thats damn good) that means 25% of the compressors work is spent HEATING the air. pressure isnt really waht we want. we want air flow. and higher boost doesnt always mean higher air flow.

lets say at 75%, you had 350 cfm of air flow at 14psi.

you crank it up to 19 psi to compensate for your restrictive Starion IC. now you have maybe 55% efficiency and flowing 305 cfm.

you know why? cuz since the turbo is spending 45% of its time making the air HOT instead of actually compressing it, that air has expanded, and you now have less O2 per cubic foot, and all that hard work in the junk yard scrouning for a starion Ic, welding custom endtanks, bending custom pipe; it all goes up in smoke (and an apex seal)

for REAL air flow, go w/ an Isuzu NPR ic, or F350 Powerstroke diesel IC, then cut the core and weld end tanks. these are some of the most effective stock IC's.

enjoy.

chris

rxrotary2_7

gorockrx

OK,
Izuzu NPR seems to be the junkyard IC of choice. I may look for one of those. I am NOT impressed with the Starion report although if I had a more efficient turbo it would probably suffice. However, if I had the extra $$ for an efficient turbo then I would also have a nicer IC.

It's all about bang for the buck, and I don't have a lot of bucks All I want to do is keep the temps down on my setup so I can protect the motor.

NOW........anyone of you have pictures of an install on an FC? I would love to see the pipe routing of a few setups. I am going to custom make a set locally.

Anyone?

rxrotary2_7

if anyone needs one of the isuzu IC, drop me a pm


i will show pics of them once i get my lazy *** up to take them. i can show installs on 2 different fc's, an fd instal, and on an rx3.

vmb

yeah i wanna see some pics!

vmb

where did you buy the piping? is it aluminum or regular exhaust pipe?

rxrotary2_7

aluminum, and rubber on this one for right now
this is a 91 convertable with a fd motor.

rxrotary2_7

here is a font pic. not a good pic though
because in real life you can see the IC fom the front.




oh and to answer the quesion about where were the pipes bought...they were made not bought

gorockrx

rxrotary2_7

Thanks for the pics, that is a really nice setup. How'd ya get that piping to go under the Battery!? Did you have to cut a lot of the radiator support? Looks like a tight fit....

Did you get the entire FD drivetrain under there? VERY NICE..I LIKE

Looks like a Mariah front end......

rxrotary2_7

no cutting involved. imagination it wraps around the radiator.
and yes its the mariah front & turboII hood

vmb

rxrotary is that a kit ?
im looking to but the piping ,does anyone know where i can but the piece that mounts to the throttle body ?

vmb

who made the pipes?

bkapold@aol.com

He has a FD intake manifold on an TII motor. Alf "Soul" has the samething. I have a photo of my motor (FC) and a N/A elbow, basically turning into a FD style intake...Want to see??? e-mail and I'll send it to ya.. I HAD a Starion IC and they do have a pressure drop, but if you have a IC tubing design like mine you won't have a 5psi drop..Most of the folks out there have WAAAAAAY to many bends.....MY email:

brad.apold@mortgage.wellsfargo.com

rxrotary2_7

ERRRR...WRONG! not a turboII motor. fd side housings, turboII rotor housings, fd rotors, n/a ecu, n/a coils, fd stock injectors, and a few other random parts were put together to make this work.

there are a few bends, but not many. it can be done with almost no bends, but requires some cutting. this is one reason the IC was placed upsidedown. this project was done with longevity in mind. the car is not going to stay this way for very long and will have a n/a motor put back in. no cutting was wanted, so inorder to do that, there may be a few minor bends. the elbo is a stock fd elbo cut down to clear the ps, the next big piece as seen in the picture is an intake from a 300z, and the last part of that end of IC was the piece cut off the stock elbo along with a rubber bend. the other side consist of a rubber bend going to aluminum. hey i would take this IC and 3in piping over the starion anyday. lets not turn this into a pissing match. this is how far i can pee....

instead of having people email you for pics, just post them. i am curious also.

bkapold@aol.com

I was talking about Alf's motor with the FD intake manifold, etc. That other thing I have know Idea what that is...(the TII with a Supra bumper)

I don't like posting my stuff, because then everyone will have my design..But if you want a photo of it I can send it to you. It real simple ab real effective, unlike most of the bolt on crap you can buy...Brad