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Old Nov 16, 2006 | 12:23 PM
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Peter pm your phone number.
Will call you on the weekend.

I have nothing else to say about NRS seals. Like i said above.

With SCR Seals, you have an aftermarket apex seal, corner seal and side seal.
You figure out yourself what engine will take more punishment.
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Old Nov 16, 2006 | 02:56 PM
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^ Peter

You have your market, we have ours....

What takes what is all relative, you know that as well as I. What is NOT needed is you to comment on my product nor me on yours (which we can both do easily given our experience). Our end users choose us for their own reasons, and they are happy
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Old Nov 16, 2006 | 05:21 PM
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^ Peter

You have your market, we have ours....

What takes what is all relative, you know that as well as I. What is NOT needed is you to comment on my product nor me on yours (which we can both do easily given our experience). Our end users choose us for their own reasons, and they are happy

No worries pete.
Im going to apologize for my previous posts as i did get abit of out hand.
If the mods would delete them. It would be grateful.

If anybody wants more info on SCR seals best contact kevin him self

www.southcoastrotary.com.au/contact.htm
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Old Nov 16, 2006 | 08:50 PM
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Me too and prob catch up with you on Saturday all going well
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Old Nov 16, 2006 | 10:23 PM
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So we went from mines bigger than yours to friends. Good to see. The NRS seal look great . Have heard good things.

Keep up the good work and research.
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Old Nov 21, 2006 | 09:01 PM
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Well to be honest.
Mine is still bigger.
FD owners generally have small penises
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Old Nov 21, 2006 | 09:04 PM
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Wtf?
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Old Nov 21, 2006 | 11:46 PM
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FD owners generally have small penises
Sounds like the words of experience...
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Old Nov 22, 2006 | 06:28 PM
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Must be FULL MOON?? anyway I hope NRS 3MM Grey single pc. are good ,I got a set in my latest engine, spent a lot of time at getting all clearences as recommended. also NRS springs. engine is still on the engine stand hasnt run yet! Hey anybody ever took the time to mount a starter and took a compressoin test on the stand. Ron
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Old Nov 22, 2006 | 06:33 PM
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Hey 72c, I got a 1st gen-2nd gen,and an FD 3rd gen, in my personal garage, You should see the size of mine!
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Old Nov 23, 2006 | 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by ronbros3
Must be FULL MOON?? anyway I hope NRS 3MM Grey single pc. are good ,I got a set in my latest engine, spent a lot of time at getting all clearences as recommended. also NRS springs. engine is still on the engine stand hasnt run yet! Hey anybody ever took the time to mount a starter and took a compressoin test on the stand. Ron
Doing a compression test is generally useles with a cold motor not to mention a freshly built motor that should be packing a lot of assembly lube.
You're probably going to get very good #'s doing it that way.
Once you get the motor running and warmed up to operating temperature shut it off and do your first compression test. Later on as the motor break in check the compression as time go by. Allways do the compression test under the same conditions though. Same operation temperature and battery fully charged so as to get the same cranking rpms.
BTW. The only way to do a proper compression test is with the tester designed for the rotary. Using that tester can assure cranking speed and exact results.
Best of luck with your new motor. If you did your homework correct you're going to enjoy the results of using NRS apex seals.
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Old Nov 23, 2006 | 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ronbros3
Must be FULL MOON?? anyway I hope NRS 3MM Grey single pc. are good ,I got a set in my latest engine, spent a lot of time at getting all clearences as recommended. also NRS springs. engine is still on the engine stand hasnt run yet! Hey anybody ever took the time to mount a starter and took a compressoin test on the stand. Ron
They are not good.

They are regarded by many as the best ! & people pay a premium to get the results and world class engineering that they are proven to deliver.

Compression well....... (factual real world result on world leading gasoline car) I will provide you with Mazsports number and you can speak with Craig and or Bill (owner & tuner of MR12A, fastest 12A untubbed car in the world)

SCR seals = no compression after dyno run (4 pulls)
NRS seals = 40 passes (numerous dyno sessions) at 660rwhp power level and up to 164mph and 37psi boost

^ same engine, same tune......... you take your pick

To quote Mazsport "I use your product and pay you whatever as I know it will last, nothing else does. If ever we need to test a new combination and have no idea where we are at I will put in SCR's into the test engine to get a base line to avoid a catastrophic failure due to our own negligence"

I actualy fully recommend this to some of my customers *big names* (to buy SCR's or even PTS seals) untill they learn how to get up to speed with their combinations as they are idot proof and great in that regard. Once you have the key to the door though and ther is not so much trail and error guessing going on, then your ready to step it up to the next level and get the benifits that follow.

^ That sums it up, everyone has their own market....... we have ours. If you do your job right then you will be blessed with unrivaled performance and durability. If you have a system failure then you have a minor seal crack as a result (9 outa 10 failures are like this) If you have a very bad error in tuning and abuse the hell out of the seal then your asking for a catastrophic failure.

Anything can be made to work, what is best depends on what you define that as for your goals.
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Old Nov 24, 2006 | 07:38 PM
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Thanks Guys!! I do respect your opinions and advice, the customer is 19yrs. old, and totally NO-FEAR, got money tho.. seems he and his friends love top end runs at 2-3 in the morning on I-95 ,YEAH! it got to be exciting. thank the universe for the youth. Ron
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Old Nov 24, 2006 | 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ronbros3
Thanks Guys!! I do respect your opinions and advice, the customer is 19yrs. old, and totally NO-FEAR, got money tho.. seems he and his friends love top end runs at 2-3 in the morning on I-95 ,YEAH! it got to be exciting. thank the universe for the youth. Ron
Talk to crispeed (he has NRS in v8kila, high speed hiway machine mauler!) big power and extended run times (high levels of thermal stress) = apex seal banana's especialy on gasoline.

We proved NRS's in speed boat applications (30minutes WOT near full power !)), extensive dyno room tests (on 1100bhp+ drag engines) and many other fields.... universal consensus is there is nothing ferrous based that can survive (retain compression) let alone compare in durability testing.

And yes, youth has a lot to answer for. Some of us still do stupid **** and we are getting quite old which is a worry
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Old Nov 29, 2006 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by RICE RACING
They are not good.

They are regarded by many as the best ! & people pay a premium to get the results and world class engineering that they are proven to deliver.

Compression well....... (factual real world result on world leading gasoline car) I will provide you with Mazsports number and you can speak with Craig and or Bill (owner & tuner of MR12A, fastest 12A untubbed car in the world)

SCR seals = no compression after dyno run (4 pulls)
NRS seals = 40 passes (numerous dyno sessions) at 660rwhp power level and up to 164mph and 37psi boost

^ same engine, same tune......... you take your pick

To quote Mazsport "I use your product and pay you whatever as I know it will last, nothing else does. If ever we need to test a new combination and have no idea where we are at I will put in SCR's into the test engine to get a base line to avoid a catastrophic failure due to our own negligence"

I actualy fully recommend this to some of my customers *big names* (to buy SCR's or even PTS seals) untill they learn how to get up to speed with their combinations as they are idot proof and great in that regard. Once you have the key to the door though and ther is not so much trail and error guessing going on, then your ready to step it up to the next level and get the benifits that follow.

^ That sums it up, everyone has their own market....... we have ours. If you do your job right then you will be blessed with unrivaled performance and durability. If you have a system failure then you have a minor seal crack as a result (9 outa 10 failures are like this) If you have a very bad error in tuning and abuse the hell out of the seal then your asking for a catastrophic failure.

Anything can be made to work, what is best depends on what you define that as for your goals.
Rice. Didnt you say before that you guys dont have a sytem of trail and error?
Your confusing me now.
Anyways.
It seems bill has a different story to tell everybody.
Anyways.
im not here to slag anybody.
Let people look at the results and choose for themselves.
Many workshops are using SCR seals and have nothing but praise for them.
And a few of these workshops also did use NRS seals and no longer use them. Im not sure what their reasons were.
Everybody should do their homework, and see what best suits them.
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Old Nov 30, 2006 | 12:48 AM
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Craig MR12A's owner *ask him* & Bill too, so whether both of em are full of **** OR tell you what you want to hear, either way they just aquired more 12A sets for this car from me.

Other shops droping NRS?

Phil Laird from Graphic Skills Racing: (is the only individual who bought now buys nothing)

Conversation goes like this:

Me in Qld @ his work shop early this year:
"Phil you can run whatever seal you want to run, I dont care"
Phil:
"Kev will give me product, basicaly throwing it at me"
Me:
"No problem, take it, no skin off my nose mate, any **** will work in an engine if you know what your doing"

To this day have not sold one set *directly* to him nor spoken to him (well he choose's to not talk to me ) ......... his choice, and as I said to his face no loss to me @ all if he wants to use a different product (I have enough customers to service who care more about quality over price point).

Its all down to cost and knowledge how to make stuff work. I can make your seals & your direct competitors work and have told many end users HOW to do so to make them survive. Its a fair enough & cheap product, congrats to you for making it. Having said that it has its obvious limitations (just as you can lobby mine do), depending on levels your at you may or may not expose these short comings and there are many engineering solutions around these issues (bowing being your handy cap). What any of our customers decide to do is up to them

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Old Nov 30, 2006 | 03:57 PM
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Rice.
Im not going to bag your seal. Or say what it is or it isnt capable of.

Like i said above.
Let people choose for themselves. There is no need to bag someone elses product to make yours look better.
if your product is as good as you say it is. It will succeed without your negative talk.
I stepped out of line in this thread and i apologised. SCR seals have made their own reputation without any body advertising for it. The seal it self speaks a 1000 thousand words.

There is no need to make fun of anybody or their product, or if a workshop chooses not to use a product.

Oh and one more thing.

When you advertise your product. Do you really need to hammer every one elses product to make your look good?
This isnt good practice.

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