puzzling dyno numbers
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puzzling dyno numbers
Took my car to the dyno and was baffled by the results: 227.8 RWHP and 204.7 torque. Sounds like a stock car right, maybe with an exhaust? Not quite: FMIC, DP, stock cat, CB, upgraded sequential turbos, RE intake, Pettit ECU. Some of my parameters are unknown, as I do not know how the previous owner had the ECU tuned. I do know it's tuned for a freeflow exhaust, so that partially explains my rich condition (I'm running with the cat). Also I'm still in the process of finding out exactly what he did to the turbos.
Ok, so that's all fine and dandy, but here's some more pertinent (and interesting) info. At the 4500 RPM changeover my HP actually decreased by about 15 points in all three pulls. My best pull saw it go from 178.3 to 164.9 at 4600 and then peak at 227.8 at 6200. From there it's downhill all the way to 8000. Ok, so you've got a boost problem, check your hoses, dork. Problem is, boost gauge is showing pretty close to 10-8-10. Could it still be a hose? I hate to ask without having checked any of them yet, but I was curious if anyone had had a similar experience.
Thanks a lot.
-Scott
Ok, so that's all fine and dandy, but here's some more pertinent (and interesting) info. At the 4500 RPM changeover my HP actually decreased by about 15 points in all three pulls. My best pull saw it go from 178.3 to 164.9 at 4600 and then peak at 227.8 at 6200. From there it's downhill all the way to 8000. Ok, so you've got a boost problem, check your hoses, dork. Problem is, boost gauge is showing pretty close to 10-8-10. Could it still be a hose? I hate to ask without having checked any of them yet, but I was curious if anyone had had a similar experience.
Thanks a lot.
-Scott
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Could be many things.. But like Marshal said: Lets see the dyno sheet.
I had ignition problems once (bad plugs). Dyno sheet was whacky. Made some weird 240 rwhp. Then I changed the plugs and made 344 rwhp.
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I had ignition problems once (bad plugs). Dyno sheet was whacky. Made some weird 240 rwhp. Then I changed the plugs and made 344 rwhp.
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Yeah, you're right - stock FD with one mod would be around 225-230 rwhp. If you're showing 10-8-10 then a leak doesn't sound right. You'd be surprised what bad plugs can do. Have you changed them lately with the wires?
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Here's a pic of the dyno sheet. I appreciate all of your input so far, I'll definitely take it into consideration for the next run. The cat will be gone by then too (since I've got a midpipe sitting on my floor! ).
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It could be igntion like people are saying, it looks like there is a little break up above 6k. You also are running fairly lean in the mid RPM ranges and then go to real rich in the upper RPM ranges. Running real rich does take a toll on the cat, although I am not sure how rich or how long it takes to kill it.
Check your plugs, make sure your wires are okay. What were your coolant temps like on the dyno? If your temps are in the 220F range you lose a lot of power compared to 180F. There are a ton of variables that can cause you to make less power.
No matter what anyone says, there is nothing wrong with running 10psi on the dyno. I ran 7psi last time I was on the dyno with the stock twins. Although I put down more power than you
Check your plugs, make sure your wires are okay. What were your coolant temps like on the dyno? If your temps are in the 220F range you lose a lot of power compared to 180F. There are a ton of variables that can cause you to make less power.
No matter what anyone says, there is nothing wrong with running 10psi on the dyno. I ran 7psi last time I was on the dyno with the stock twins. Although I put down more power than you
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Originally posted by Marshall
The AF ratio on that green run is a motor killer! Is that correct!? I'd be surprised if it wasn't damaged already.
The AF ratio on that green run is a motor killer! Is that correct!? I'd be surprised if it wasn't damaged already.
I'm finding a few 3rd gen dyno sheets on the net that are great for comparison, but I don't know what a good AF line should look like. What's a good target number? Does that target change with boost level? And is it a straight line, or a slowly descending line?
What were your coolant temps like on the dyno?
I've got the Power FC coming my way shortly, so I'm looking forward to having more control over my car.
Thanks again.
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11.8:1 is where you want to be in the AFR for boost. Cruising at around 12.5:1 and idle around 13.5:1 People will tell you different, but these numbers are pretty darn close.
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Your a:f looks fine, just like it should with a stock ECU or modified stock ECU. You aren't running so rich to kill all your power though - stock cars/ECUs run around 10:1. Checking your plugs and ignition is about the only thing I can think of to check.
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