Rotary Car Performance General Rotary Car and Engine modification discussions.

NRS Rotorsports ceramic seal test results

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Dec 16, 2007 | 03:41 AM
  #376  
crispeed's Avatar
'Tuna'
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 4,637
Likes: 3
From: Miami,Fl,USA
Sporty backs up his 197mph!!.

http://www.agracingvideo.com/videos/...sporty7.63.wmv
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 05:09 AM
  #377  
crispeed's Avatar
'Tuna'
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 4,637
Likes: 3
From: Miami,Fl,USA
Originally Posted by Glassman
Congrats to the Mazsport team who yesterday lowered the mark even further to 8.10 @ 164mph in the St/289 class.
It just keeps getting better and better, way to go guys!

It's that triple E philosophy again
Elevate Every Expectation with NRS Ceramic Power Seals
Here's the video.
MR12A 8.10@164mph
http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/j...R12A810164.flv
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 11:17 AM
  #378  
Davin's Avatar
Back door, no babies...
Veteran: Navy
Tenured Member: 15 Years
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,415
Likes: 4
From: LA, DC & Philly
sven, remember i got your 1piece gray 3mm seals? well, rich and ihor over at IR performance are finally putting them in. i will let you know how everything turns out!
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 11:34 AM
  #379  
Glassman's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 640
Likes: 0
From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Good news Davin! I'll bet your excited to see this thing running. Any chance you want to upgrade to 2pc seals??? LOL
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 11:48 AM
  #380  
Davin's Avatar
Back door, no babies...
Veteran: Navy
Tenured Member: 15 Years
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,415
Likes: 4
From: LA, DC & Philly
nah, i like the durability of a 1 piece. i am not sure what i will be doing with my motor yet, but wanted the expendability of maybe making big power down the road
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 12:48 PM
  #381  
crispeed's Avatar
'Tuna'
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 4,637
Likes: 3
From: Miami,Fl,USA
Originally Posted by Glassman
Yea someone found out that I was running low and bought them all
So has the still been re-fired up.
There are a lot of 1pc junkies out there.
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 06:52 PM
  #382  
ErnieT's Avatar
Living life 9 seconds at a time
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 6,541
Likes: 0
From: Abingdon, Md
Sven,
Won't the 2 piece seal better than the one piece?
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 07:13 PM
  #383  
Glassman's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 640
Likes: 0
From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Originally Posted by ErnieT
Sven,
Won't the 2 piece seal better than the one piece?
They should seal a lot better than 1pc

Issy from Select Maz in AU reported the highest cranking comp ever in over 25 years in the business with the NRS 2pc seals.

Regards, Sven

P.S. I talked to Ray so I think we are good to go when you are ready. You may want to organise with me which seals you want now as there will be a bit of a production slow down with some new developments and transition into the new material.
Old Dec 19, 2007 | 03:42 AM
  #384  
CBR's Avatar
CBR
Full Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 60
Likes: 1
From: New Zealand
Hi Sven,what was the comp on cranking??

Brent
Old Dec 19, 2007 | 10:01 AM
  #385  
Glassman's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 640
Likes: 0
From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Originally Posted by CBR
Hi Sven,what was the comp on cranking??

Brent
I believe Issy told me it was in the 140+ psi on 3mm 2pc
Old Dec 19, 2007 | 09:24 PM
  #386  
mono4lamar's Avatar
In the burnout box...
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (32)
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 4,453
Likes: 2
From: New York
140psi on 3mm seals Whoa!
Old Dec 20, 2007 | 10:28 AM
  #387  
Glassman's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 640
Likes: 0
From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Originally Posted by mono4lamar
140psi on 3mm seals Whoa!

Yea that's what Issy reported. The wedge design was slightly different but sealing should be close to the same.
Old Dec 20, 2007 | 11:19 AM
  #388  
TRISPEEDFD3S's Avatar
FEED me
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (26)
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 2,787
Likes: 0
From: Bay Area, CA
So how much more efficient has the seals gotten since I've last inquired about them Sven? I know they were bad *** before, but after months of more work, how much more do you personally feel they have improved? I've been hurting in the pocket since some unfortunate things have happened, that I've had to pay for, but can you please PM me for a price list of your stuff. I think I'd hop onto the 3mm seals and your upgraded springs. Seems like they have no problem sealing whatsoever!

-Jeff
Old Dec 20, 2007 | 11:51 AM
  #389  
Glassman's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 640
Likes: 0
From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Well the biggest improvement would have to be the micro finishing. The quality of the entire surface is improved with this processing. We have applied this to the springs as well.

The next major improvement will be the new material. There is no like material that even comes close in strength, not even the material we use now. It is by far the best there is.
Old Dec 21, 2007 | 11:45 AM
  #390  
Glassman's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 640
Likes: 0
From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Originally Posted by t-von
Is this new material more suited for extreme rotary's ( drag ect )? Can you speculate on the % of price increase with the new material? All these advancements in rotary tech really makes my day.
The new material will offer all the benefits the current material gives only better. It is substantially stronger and second to none.
My goal is to (if possible) keep the pricing the same and simply move everyone into a superior product.
Old Dec 21, 2007 | 06:19 PM
  #391  
rotary8's Avatar
eccentric shafter
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 143
Likes: 1
From: EARTH
NRS Rotorsports ceramic seal test results

what kind of boost can we run on these new seals .
Old Dec 21, 2007 | 06:27 PM
  #392  
GoodfellaFD3S's Avatar
Original Gangster/Rotary!
Veteran: Army
Tenured Member: 25 Years
Liked
Loved
iTrader: (213)
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 30,807
Likes: 648
From: FL-->NJ/NYC again!
Just installed a set of the 3mm 1 piece greys in a customer's (davin's) motor. While the extra clearancing definitely took a little bit more time, you really can feel how much lighter than stock the seals are. Also, the springs are much beefier than the factory pieces
Old Dec 21, 2007 | 06:45 PM
  #393  
Glassman's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 640
Likes: 0
From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Originally Posted by rotary8
what kind of boost can we run on these new seals .
Don't know, we haven't tried them yet but there is no reason they can't handle what the current seals can handle and then some. If your tune and build are good I don't know that there is a limit on boost you can run.

Sporty runs 40psi and some others run 45+psi. Enzo is going to run 50psi but he wants to do it on 2pc seals.
Old Dec 21, 2007 | 07:12 PM
  #394  
rotary8's Avatar
eccentric shafter
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 143
Likes: 1
From: EARTH
NRS Rotorsports ceramic seal test results

we were running 30+ lbs on the stock mazda seals which do you like the best the 3mm single or two piece.
Old Dec 21, 2007 | 07:31 PM
  #395  
t-von's Avatar
Rotor Head Extreme
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 6,719
Likes: 26
From: Midland Texas
Originally Posted by Glassman
Don't know, we haven't tried them yet but there is no reason they can't handle what the current seals can handle and then some. If your tune and build are good I don't know that there is a limit on boost you can run.

Sporty runs 40psi and some others run 45+psi. Enzo is going to run 50psi but he wants to do it on 2pc seals.

Damn sounds like these newer seals my infact find the actual limits of the rotary engine. I'm trying to speculate as to what may start to consistantly fail with-in the engine in the 60+ boost range.
Old Dec 21, 2007 | 08:16 PM
  #396  
Glassman's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 640
Likes: 0
From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Originally Posted by rotary8
we were running 30+ lbs on the stock mazda seals which do you like the best the 3mm single or two piece.
For now I'm still recommending 1pc for those boost levels, they are pretty much all that I've been selling for the last few years so that's what we know works. 2pc testing will begin soon in all applications from street, road and drag. The only one who hasn't got their 2pc for testing is Gaby but that's because I will have some other ceramic goodies for him and we're going to send them all at once.
Old Dec 22, 2007 | 12:35 PM
  #397  
Trionic's Avatar
Full Member
Tenured Member: 15 Years
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 117
Likes: 0
From: Maryland
Glassman, would you be willing to post some material specifications?

Specifically, black vs old gray vs new gray? The new gray is better in what way?

Hardness, toughness, stress/strain, yield strength, fracture, elastic limit, etc...? I'm not sure which measurement standards are most typical in the ceremet world but it would be great to see some hard numbers, if for no other reason than to compare the differences between your products.

I'm new here too though, maybe some technical materials information is posted someplace and I've missed it? I've read a bunch of anecdotal evidence but am having a hard time finding anything empirical.

Last edited by Trionic; Dec 22, 2007 at 12:58 PM.
Old Dec 22, 2007 | 09:29 PM
  #398  
Glassman's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 640
Likes: 0
From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Yea it's on pg 2.
Black seals NLA and the new material fracture toughness is 11 MPa
Old Dec 22, 2007 | 09:48 PM
  #399  
Trionic's Avatar
Full Member
Tenured Member: 15 Years
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 117
Likes: 0
From: Maryland
Very cool, thank you. Sending a PM to you when I reach 15 with this post.
Old Dec 26, 2007 | 08:31 PM
  #400  
Barry Bordes's Avatar
"Elusive, not deceptive!”
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 930
Likes: 13
From: Slidell, LA
Sven, please work on the 2mm springs.

I guess the only game in town for now is for 3mm seals. Who does a good job grinding the rotors to 3mm?
Barry



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:52 AM.