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Old 08-13-05, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RETed
Oh don't worry...it's coming...

As for results of my work, I don't show them cause 1) customers pay for my work, and 2) there is nothing spectacular about them.


-Ted
And how long have you been telling that to yourself? I believe you both have comparable amounts of time in the rotary scene, People just dont take their car to places because they say they know how to do this and that, it takes a combination of atleast 2 showing what they know how to do and showing that they've done it with proof and customer praising, IE;feedback. People have yet to see anything productive come from Ted besides a dash from hell and blown engines from I wont mention where.
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Originally Posted by Slammedblk7
And how long have you been telling that to yourself?
Well, not too many people have the ***** to just get up from their home town and leave to start a new life across the Pacific Ocean.
Not all of you have witnessed the Bay Area Bust (I'm sure there's a few, but I doubt it was YOU), lost your job, and ended up wasting the next 3 - 4 years trying to recover from that - so much for gambling withy our life, eh?
Not all of you have tried to trust a "friend" and then ended up losing ALL of your possessions (and almost my car).
Try digging yourself out of two big holes like that someday...

I'm not making excuses (I'm sure you think otherwise), but I'm trying to put that all in the past.
Since you brought it up, I'd thought you'd be interested on WHY it's been taking for so long...


I believe you both have comparable amounts of time in the rotary scene, People just dont take their car to places because they say they know how to do this and that, it takes a combination of atleast 2 showing what they know how to do and showing that they've done it with proof and customer praising, IE;feedback.
I dunno what your point is on this...


People have yet to see anything productive come from Ted besides a dash from hell and blown engines from I wont mention where.
Yeah, I guess you call my dash "from hell"?

Blown engines?
Okay, since you want it on the record.
1) I blew a friend's engine up back in '96 or '97 or so - needle bearing fell out fo the front cover assembly.
2) I blew mines up by having the front OPR fall out of the front cover - I torqued EVERYTHING to Mazda spec, but the front OPR still managed to end up in the oil pan. This "burned" all the oil control o-rings; nothing else was damaged, amazingly.
3) We blew up the K2RD race car, cause we didn't know why the Haltech E6A refused to rev through 6,000RPM. It detonated heavily - it was a 13B-REW no-turbos with 3mm apex seals. We still don't know why it did that.
4) We blew up hIGGI's 13BT *twice*. First time due to the stupid "quirk" with the Haltech E11V1 turning off when adjusting any map via the laptop, and it blew up a second time cause we found out the home trigger wires were backwards.
5) A customer's car was blown up down here, cause the (rear) OPR was not installed. We don't know what happened. Me, the owner, and another friend all remembered me putting the RB 85psi upgrade OPR in the engine, but when we tore the engine down for diagnosis, there was no (rear) OPR. This engine ate all it's bearings and oil control o-rings.

What did I do?
1) That friend I've been helping with any RX-7 stuff since day 1. I've gotten his *** out of so many bad sitautions due to RX-7's it's not even funny. I call that we're even.
2) I've rebuilt my engine, and it has been running ever since that day.
3) I helped the owner rebuild that engine. No money involved. He managed to drive that car "into the ground" at NASA track days in Cali.
4) I rebuilt the engine the first time at no charge in 1 - 2 days. I had to catch the plane back home the next day when it blew the 2nd time, so it was out of my hands. I did manage to find out what was wrong and informed hIGGI what happened. I still feel BAD about that whole mess, but I do give him tech support and help with any problems he has...till this day.
5) I rebuild that engine at no charge. The car is current up and running right now. We were trying to get the E6K tuned on it, but the Richard Lee 38mm wastegate just cannot handle the boost creep from the Turbonetics 60-1 ball-bearing single. I tune this car for FREE.

So, your turn?

Hey, how about we ask BDC how many engines he blew up too?
Cause I know it's more than 5...


-Ted
Old 08-13-05, 10:43 PM
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I agree that there is nothing spectacular about good porting. The spectacle comes when the flowbench numbers show up, lol. Ie. Paul Yaw of Yaw Power and the little exhaust port page, way cool stuff.
Old 08-13-05, 11:13 PM
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Hi Ted,

You know it's more than 5 blown engines? Can you tell me when I allegedly blew up 5 or more engines?

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Originally Posted by BDC
Hi Ted,

You know it's more than 5 blown engines? Can you tell me when I allegedly blew up 5 or more engines?
You're blown yours up at least...2...3 times?


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Old 08-13-05, 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by RETed
You're blown yours up at least...2...3 times?


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Nice diversion -- You didn't answer my question. When have I allegedly blown up 5 engines?

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Old 08-14-05, 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by BDC
Nice diversion -- You didn't answer my question. When have I allegedly blown up 5 engines?
I think you're trying to avoid my query...
So are you claiming you haven't blown any engines up?
Or are you denying that you've blown up at least 5 engines?

So if you haven't blown 5 engines, how many have you blown and set the record straight?


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Old 08-14-05, 01:25 AM
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Jesus Ted Ive been on here about as long as you. Ive taken a few years off and found my way back to the rotary community and your as abrasive as ever. What the hell did BDC ever do to you that makes you this pissed off and mad?
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Originally Posted by DELTA_Rotary
Jesus Ted Ive been on here about as long as you. Ive taken a few years off and found my way back to the rotary community and your as abrasive as ever. What the hell did BDC ever do to you that makes you this pissed off and mad?
Where did I say I was mad?
What part of this thread implies I was pissed off or mad?


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Old 08-14-05, 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by RETed
Where did I say I was mad?
What part of this thread implies I was pissed off or mad?


-Ted
It shows in all your posts concerning BDC, always negative, or atleast against him in every situation. All of that has to have started with something, I mean I dont see how everything B has done has been wrong or not the way to go according to you. Correct me if im wrong or RATHER explain why your always against him or whatever term you would like to use.
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Wow, I just love your guys implication skills...

I posted those replies to make sure there was no possibility to misinterpret where I'm coming from.
If you're reading anger from those replies, I apologize but that wasn't what I was trying to convey.
I just don't want any misinterpretation from what I was typing, since we're treading on very fine lines here.


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Old 08-14-05, 06:05 AM
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TED,TED,TED you again?BDC porting looks way COOL!and of the threads i have been reading not one is complaining of his work! EXCEPT,yes EXCEPT you my man!Is your Fla.... club still going!

**** here i start again,ooops


BDC i think your porting rocks(GOOD work)

CHEERS!!!
Old 08-14-05, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by RETed
I think you're trying to avoid my query...
So are you claiming you haven't blown any engines up?
Or are you denying that you've blown up at least 5 engines?

So if you haven't blown 5 engines, how many have you blown and set the record straight?


-Ted
You picked that number Ted, not BDC, if you know Brians past so well, you post it.. To me it looks like you are just grasping..
You poked your nose into this thread with a comment bland enough for the non "Ted" oriented to pass over as innocent, but anyone with 20 minutes on this forum knows you were just looking for the fireworks you got as is the case with alot of your comments...You can drop the victim routine anytime...
I must admit it is comical watching you writhe like a ball of snakes trying to turn the attention away from yourself when someone questions your qualifications and credibilty.... Go start your own thread in the lounge if you want to share your sob story with the world...What happened in your past doesnt justify how you act here or have anything to do with porting..

Back to bridgeports...
I suppose the smaller cuts essentially give the same result as a stretched streetport without the implications of the seals falling into the port.. I am thinking along the lines that the shape of the bridge port would overall, affect the useable rpm of it, in terms of flow and what probably is the case, is that on a typical street car most wouldnt peak the rpms high enough to see the difference.. On turbo motors, we typically use the added overlap down low to really affect the midrange and the spool time more so than what we measure as a top end gain like what would be done with an NA motor..
That being said, myself I push the port as large as I can get it, as early as I can get it with the water seal, and I contour everything, but I am willing to live with a 1500 rpm idle and with a T-51 my rpm range is stretched out more. And if the bridge cracks , I have a **** load of replacement irons... In the end customer preference and goals I guess along with how long you want it to last.. I contoured and back cut pretty heavily, but ever so often I pull the LIM and do a "bridge" inspection.....Max

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Old 08-14-05, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Zero R
Yet no-one says anything about the low numbers coming off the R85 kits.(No disrespect to dee or keith.There are reasons for the lower numbers.) Had that been a A-spec kit man **** would of hit the fan. Believe me I know. The bright side for you is no-one can copy your ports the way two shops have copied my kits.
Sean, I hope I know you well enough over the years to interprit what was just said there correctly in reguards to "reasons", and that Dee or myself is not one of the 2 shops. I will be emaling or PM'ing you shortly to clarify.
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Someone is gonna get one of them opinion boxes from the mods in their USER/CP.
Play respectfully.
Brian you definatly show your time in your port work.Very nice.
Old 08-14-05, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by APEXL8T
Someone is gonna get one of them opinion boxes from the mods in their USER/CP.
Play respectfully.
Brian you definatly show your time in your port work.Very nice.
I hope you were not refering to me as my reply was nothing but friendly. Reply was to Sean, and he knows that is is not bad... But if you were not talking about me, you are right, that there is a lot a $hit talking going on in this thread... sounds about right for this comunity, nothing different today than any other day. Talk trash on everyone else, take jabs at people, and so on... its nothing new.
BTW BDC, looks good.
Old 08-14-05, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by rxrotary2_7
Sean, I hope I know you well enough over the years to interprit what was just said there correctly in reguards to "reasons", and that Dee or myself is not one of the 2 shops. I will be emaling or PM'ing you shortly to clarify.

I think you understand me fine, those setups are different, and are a different level of tune. Anyone who knows would no that. I'm just amazed no-one has come on here and said "Where's the big numbers like was adverstized!! I mean they show a 5billion hp dynosheet on their website." Trust me Keith If ever I make a comment similar to the one made it is far from directed at you guys. I know you well enough to know your a standup guy.
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Thanks for the compliments, everyone. We'll see how she runs once Riley gets it all buttoned up.

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Old 08-14-05, 09:58 PM
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Thanks for the compliments, everyone. We'll see how she runs once Riley gets it all buttoned up.

B
Oh sure put the pressure on me now, I see how it is lol.
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Originally Posted by RETed
Where did I say I was mad?
What part of this thread implies I was pissed off or mad?


-Ted
Well Im sure there has to be a reason why you like taking jabs at BDCs work?
Old 08-15-05, 12:58 AM
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I can see how not backcutting the bridge really doesn't matter. The whole advantage of the bridge is that it is open when a street port isn't, ie the rest of the port is obscured by the rotor. In that instance I don't think anything more than smoothing of the inside corners of the bridge would help flow. But I didn't test this theory on the flowbench.

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Originally Posted by DIETER SCHELLE
TED,TED,TED you again?BDC porting looks way COOL!and of the threads i have been reading not one is complaining of his work! EXCEPT,yes EXCEPT you my man!Is your Fla.... club still going!

**** here i start again,ooops


BDC i think your porting rocks(GOOD work)

CHEERS!!!
Hmmm...I guess you never left.

Dude, how old are you?

You know...talk about weird.
Some guys were making fun of my nick - reverse it, and it spells "deTER".
Wow, it's like...the same as your name, or at least sounds the same!
You're we're the antithesis of each other!
DOH, I shoud've known!

Have you built your 10-second RX-4 with mechnical fuel injection yet?
Or are you still waiting for parts?


-Ted
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Originally Posted by DELTA_Rotary
Well Im sure there has to be a reason why you like taking jabs at BDCs work?
I just like to see proof of BDC's claims.
That's the bottom line.

For example...
In regards to his TB mod: "...higher overall torque and power figures by as much as 10 to 15%."
http://www.teamfc3s.org/forum/showth...threadid=21710
I can't see how such modifications can attain such elevated power levels?

The conflict between BDC and I is known by many people.
It still comes down to a matter of proof.
The generic answer I keep getting is: I-make-more-power-than-you-(what-have-you-done?)-so-it-must-all-be-true.
Sorry, but that is just not enough for me.

I guess I'm not getting an answer on the blown engines question.
I've invited BDC to converse in PM. but he thinks it's a trap?
I guess conversing in public is not a valid option either?
It doesn't matter - his silence is a good enough answer for me.

All I replies in this thread was a paraphrase on what BDC said in the past.
Nothing more...nothing less - did I miss something?
BDC was the one who said it - not me.
It's come to the point where if I say anything with a negative angle towards BDC, people take it as a flame - go figure?


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Sorry BDC I asked a simple question and turned it into a **** fight. Didn't know you and Ted disliked each other like that. But anyways it would be great to see if anyone could do flowbench numbers like 88IntegraLS had stated. Like I said before I always back cut my bridges just like picture of a bridgeport that ZeroR posted. I don't even think twice that's just how I do it. And I agree with BDC if it works for you than keep on doing it and if your happy with the numbers those motors are putting out then hell with what anyone else has to say.
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Originally Posted by 13btnos
Sorry BDC I asked a simple question and turned it into a **** fight. Didn't know you and Ted disliked each other like that. But anyways it would be great to see if anyone could do flowbench numbers like 88IntegraLS had stated. Like I said before I always back cut my bridges just like picture of a bridgeport that ZeroR posted. I don't even think twice that's just how I do it. And I agree with BDC if it works for you than keep on doing it and if your happy with the numbers those motors are putting out then hell with what anyone else has to say.
Hey 13btnos, you don't have to apologize, buddy. This happens most everytime I show some of my work or results (or if someone else shows them) once Ted posts his usual, "let's knock BDC down" comments. What's bothering me is when Ted jumps in to seemingly just about every thread like this like I've mentioned and argues fervently or passively-aggressively against something of mine, or could be much better, or doesn't work, or I'm lying because he's the expert and I'm not, blah blah blah. But, he rests comfortably from his desk, acting as an armchair quarterback, arguing from alleged 'theories', not being able to back-up anything from a practical point-of-view -- i.e. he has very little, real-world experience when it comes to this. How does he know "back-cutting" does or doesn't work? How does he know that it's beneficial? Has he ever actually cut a bridgeport before in his life? Based on my actual, real-world experience over the past 2 1/2 years of messing with these particular setups, backcutting on the BP's may actually be worse for a street car (and that is what I have focused on primarily) -- if it can be proven that backcutting actually does help the BP cut, then it will increase the overlap potential and therefore make it more difficult to drive and tune as well as reduce the lower loads' gas mileage. This is why I don't do it (part of the reason atleast) as well as why I tend not to make my bridgeport cuts very big if it's for a street-driven vehicle. The aim is to get as much of the benefit out of the BP overlap scheme by reducing the negative drawbacks as the goals of the street-driven car are far more complex than that of a straight-line drag car. It takes real-world experience and cutting into and building of several engines, over the course of years, to see effects like this that an alleged 'theory' would be miles off from.

If I am an expert, then I'll never have to claim it (as he does) and I'll never have to argue from "theory". The results of my practical and real-world work will show it without any words, instead. Have you ever noticed that the real pros in whatever line of work they're in rarely open their mouthes in making claims about themselves?

Ted, if you want to argue about "back-cutting" and whatever other work I do, then show some results of your long-term experimentation -- the actual, practical, real-world results of your work instead of your constant deluge of theory regurgitation. I'm much more willing to accept actual RESULTS FROM WORK instead of your loud mouth. Let's get to the brass-tax on things instead of trying to constantly knock me down. I already know why you do it and I'll tell you this -- I won't stop being interolant of your harsh comments, your abuse, and your lousy attitude that you consistently direct towards me. You aren't threatening to me in the slightest and you aren't going to steer me away from the work I'm doing and whatever success I might have as a result. Try as you might; you won't stop me. You can bad-mouth me, take pokes and stabs at me here on these forums, and make insults about me and my work all you'd like but it won't work. I've dealt with people such as yourself and I've learned that the problem isn't me -- it's you.

Regards,

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