Interested in a full car fire extinguisher kit???
11-25-04, 09:53 PM
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Interested in a full car fire extinguisher kit???
Hey everyone, I'm thinking of getting together a full car fire extinguisher kit and I'm wondering how many people would be interested in it. This kit will be nice and professional.
I know someone that designes fire extinguishers for a living. I'm talking with him about designing a full setup for the rx7. The way it would work is the bottle is mounted and there is piping that runs all over the car with nozzles placed in strategic locations. Here is the cool part...... it would have sensors that would sense the fire and automatically spray that area. That way you dont waste your bottle spraying all over the car when the fire is only in the front. Also, since its automatic the fire doesnt have to get large before you notice then pull over, get a bottle out (if you have one) , ect ect ect. The second its noticed by the sensor it would be put out even with you driving down the road. Its automatic so you dont have to do anything, it would even work in the event of a wreck where your unconcious. Its going to be at least a 5 pound bottle or maybe a little bigger like 6-7 pound and of course it would be the shiney chrome.
How many people would be interested. How many people would be willing to pay for something like this? I'm definatly no where near pricing it yet but I'm thinking in the $500-$600 range, might would end up being less or maybe more. But assuming that price range how many would be interested?
If you dont think its needed I challenge you to do a search on the forum for fire or extinguisher and look how many threads there are where peoples cars caught fire. THEN tell me its not needed. Especially when insurance wont be covering the thousands and thousands of mods on your car. I mean, to put it in perspective we are talking similar price range as a nice ss cat back exhaust
I know someone that designes fire extinguishers for a living. I'm talking with him about designing a full setup for the rx7. The way it would work is the bottle is mounted and there is piping that runs all over the car with nozzles placed in strategic locations. Here is the cool part...... it would have sensors that would sense the fire and automatically spray that area. That way you dont waste your bottle spraying all over the car when the fire is only in the front. Also, since its automatic the fire doesnt have to get large before you notice then pull over, get a bottle out (if you have one) , ect ect ect. The second its noticed by the sensor it would be put out even with you driving down the road. Its automatic so you dont have to do anything, it would even work in the event of a wreck where your unconcious. Its going to be at least a 5 pound bottle or maybe a little bigger like 6-7 pound and of course it would be the shiney chrome.
How many people would be interested. How many people would be willing to pay for something like this? I'm definatly no where near pricing it yet but I'm thinking in the $500-$600 range, might would end up being less or maybe more. But assuming that price range how many would be interested?
If you dont think its needed I challenge you to do a search on the forum for fire or extinguisher and look how many threads there are where peoples cars caught fire. THEN tell me its not needed. Especially when insurance wont be covering the thousands and thousands of mods on your car. I mean, to put it in perspective we are talking similar price range as a nice ss cat back exhaust
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11-25-04, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Tim Benton
good idea, at what temp range would the sensor kick in? I'd have to have the engine sensor think it's on fire in the middle of summer 
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hahaha, actually to be honest I'm not sure. I'd leave that up to the expert.
Hmmmm, now that I think about it the sensor might not even sure if its temp based. I'll ask him about that next week.
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I disagree on some of your points for the fire extinguisher system.
Fire extinguishers are meant to be used for one time only, as in once you puncture the seal...you want to use all of it until the bottle is empty. You don't want it to be used time and time again until you think your fire extinguisher is low. When have you ever seen a fire extinguisher that was anything BUT full? Therefore, once a sensor picks up a fire...you want it to fully use up everything in the bottle.
With that being said,...your job when the fire extinguisher is activated...is to get out of the vehicle ASAP. You aren't supposed to keep driving. You want to pull over and evacuate your vehicle as quickly as possible. After you are out of the vehicle, inspect to see whether it may be safe to possible open the hood and check for damage.
All of the sensors, while a good idea...also make the system complicated. They are somewhat a good idea...but only for detecting a fire. Using them to trigger a fire system...makes in kinda complicated in my opinion.
Fires are generally isolated to the engine compartment area anyway, so you really would not need nozzles anywhere but in the engine compartment. And as mentioned...you will want to use the entire fire extinguisher bottle.
Halon extinguishers usually don't have gauges on them. Why? Because the gauges provide a source where the gas could leak/escape.
You can always refill the bottle. It is much cheaper to do this than using only a minimal amount of fire retardent.
Fire extinguishers are meant to be used for one time only, as in once you puncture the seal...you want to use all of it until the bottle is empty. You don't want it to be used time and time again until you think your fire extinguisher is low. When have you ever seen a fire extinguisher that was anything BUT full? Therefore, once a sensor picks up a fire...you want it to fully use up everything in the bottle.
With that being said,...your job when the fire extinguisher is activated...is to get out of the vehicle ASAP. You aren't supposed to keep driving. You want to pull over and evacuate your vehicle as quickly as possible. After you are out of the vehicle, inspect to see whether it may be safe to possible open the hood and check for damage.
All of the sensors, while a good idea...also make the system complicated. They are somewhat a good idea...but only for detecting a fire. Using them to trigger a fire system...makes in kinda complicated in my opinion.
Fires are generally isolated to the engine compartment area anyway, so you really would not need nozzles anywhere but in the engine compartment. And as mentioned...you will want to use the entire fire extinguisher bottle.
Halon extinguishers usually don't have gauges on them. Why? Because the gauges provide a source where the gas could leak/escape.
You can always refill the bottle. It is much cheaper to do this than using only a minimal amount of fire retardent.
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Originally Posted by DomFD3S
I disagree on some of your points for the fire extinguisher system.
Fire extinguishers are meant to be used for one time only, as in once you puncture the seal...you want to use all of it until the bottle is empty. You don't want it to be used time and time again until you think your fire extinguisher is low. When have you ever seen a fire extinguisher that was anything BUT full? Therefore, once a sensor picks up a fire...you want it to fully use up everything in the bottle.
With that being said,...your job when the fire extinguisher is activated...is to get out of the vehicle ASAP. You aren't supposed to keep driving. You want to pull over and evacuate your vehicle as quickly as possible. After you are out of the vehicle, inspect to see whether it may be safe to possible open the hood and check for damage.
All of the sensors, while a good idea...also make the system complicated. They are somewhat a good idea...but only for detecting a fire. Using them to trigger a fire system...makes in kinda complicated in my opinion.
Fires are generally isolated to the engine compartment area anyway, so you really would not need nozzles anywhere but in the engine compartment. And as mentioned...you will want to use the entire fire extinguisher bottle.
Halon extinguishers usually don't have gauges on them. Why? Because the gauges provide a source where the gas could leak/escape.
You can always refill the bottle. It is much cheaper to do this than using only a minimal amount of fire retardent.
Fire extinguishers are meant to be used for one time only, as in once you puncture the seal...you want to use all of it until the bottle is empty. You don't want it to be used time and time again until you think your fire extinguisher is low. When have you ever seen a fire extinguisher that was anything BUT full? Therefore, once a sensor picks up a fire...you want it to fully use up everything in the bottle.
With that being said,...your job when the fire extinguisher is activated...is to get out of the vehicle ASAP. You aren't supposed to keep driving. You want to pull over and evacuate your vehicle as quickly as possible. After you are out of the vehicle, inspect to see whether it may be safe to possible open the hood and check for damage.
All of the sensors, while a good idea...also make the system complicated. They are somewhat a good idea...but only for detecting a fire. Using them to trigger a fire system...makes in kinda complicated in my opinion.
Fires are generally isolated to the engine compartment area anyway, so you really would not need nozzles anywhere but in the engine compartment. And as mentioned...you will want to use the entire fire extinguisher bottle.
Halon extinguishers usually don't have gauges on them. Why? Because the gauges provide a source where the gas could leak/escape.
You can always refill the bottle. It is much cheaper to do this than using only a minimal amount of fire retardent.
I think you mis understood what I was saying about a few things. You are absolutly correct about using the entire bottle. What I was meaning is that you would use the entire bottle where the actual fire is, that way part of it isnt wasted where there is no fire (like the driver area for instance). I did not mean that you can reuse the bottle without a refill, one you use it the pressure drops and normally it would barely work (if at all) the second time. You always have to refill them. Also, I didnt mean you should keep driving. I mean that normally when a fire happens your driving and you do notice it till its pretty large, then it takes time to pull over, get unbuckled, get the hand extinguisher, get the hood over, and put it out. Even if that was only 30 seconds a fire can do a LOT of damage in 30 seconds. With a system like this as soon as the sensor is tripped it would be put out even with you still driving. Or even in the event of a wreck where your unconcious.
Hope that clears a few things up, sorry if I wasnt clear before lol.
These systems arent new and they arent something that I'd designing or hacking together. It would be designed (layout, best chemical to use, ect) by a guy that designs these type supression systems for a living. They are used in race cars, large buses, RV's, ect ect ect. There are already universal systems that can be purchased. This would be around the same price but be spacific for your car, the tube length, nozzle layout, ect and it would be designed by a pro that knows fire and where the best placement would be.
I'm probably going to have it done for my car which is a FD however I have access to a 1st and 2nd gen as well so I could do it for all of them. Really I'm sure the same setup could be used but maybe bottle placement would be different if anything.
And yea, I'm sure a manual pull can be incorporated. It would also have a on/off switch I believe.
I dont know all the spacifics yet, I'm just trying to gauge interest.
Stephen
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