http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Innov...spagenameZWDVW

So, I was reading my new GRM magazine, and ran across the add for these. I need, what I was originally going to buy, an AEM uego Wideband 02 sensor/ gauge. How does this compare, as it's about $60 cheaper, and seems to do pretty much the same thing as the AEM unit?

I also plan to run an SAFC for tuning purposes. I sas a nice FC Vert that seemed to have a SAFC and the other style of this gauge in the A-pillar gauge pod.

 

i have this, it does what it does nicely, just need to get a laptop with a serial port or get a serialport -> usb adapter to change the settings within

 

Yeah, this seems like a great deal, but a lot pf people say, get the extra sensor thingy, which I dont want, since it feeds stuff like "TPS sensor reading" which also come on the SAFC.

Also, did I also read right, that the AEM wideband can not datalog and does not come with software, and that circuit board capsule that the LC-1 comes with?

I looked into the PL-1, but hate "The box" and it's also more $,

 

Any wideband that can output its signal from the controller has the potential to be logged.

I can log the AEM unit through the Haltech. You could log the AEM unit through a pocket-logger or the like.

I don't know if this particular Innovate unit has outputs however, so I don't know.

But in short - the unit you would purchase from that E-bay link would not in and of itself, datalog.

 

I have that it works great. I love the ability to free air calibrate the unit, which no other device seems to do. I traveled from sea level to 5500 plus and did some dyno tuning while up there (saw a $40hr dyno). And since not having calibrated from sea level it was off by 1.0+ afr vs the dyno's wideband which was calibrated. I ran the dyno up to 100MPH and switched off the injectors (haltech software) held the throttle wide open till the reading stabilized and calibrated the unit. after which the innovative unit and dyno wideband read dead even.

Oh and the innovative unit has 2 fully configurable analog outs. It also has SERIAL in and out for configurations, or installing the unit in a chain of devices, or logging to a laptop with innovative software.

 

Go with the Innovative unit. I had it and it works great. The unit has an onboard datalogger that captures up to 45 minutes to an hour as I recall. So you can go out and do some runs and then download the data to your PC for analysis.

Or, you can hook up your PC to the unit and log directly to the PC for as long as you like. The software is pretty cool as it displays the data in chart form and you can set it to match the "steps" in your EMS software. For example, you might have your EMS displaying RPMs in 250 increments. You can match this in the Innovative unit so the displays are the same. Finally, the Innovative unit gives you recommendations for each displayed cell so it helps with tuning. An example of this is AFR and boost. I'd go out and do a few runs under different boost levels. I'd then configure the Innovative unit to display the data in the same increments as my EMS. I'd look for the cells where I was too rich or too lean and have the Innovative you recommend what I needed to change to get to an optimal AFR ratio. So I'd use it to help set the fuel maps. It worked great for this and allowed me, a very novice tuner, to get some pretty good maps on the car.

EDIT: Just clicked on the ebay link and I see this is the LC1, not the LM1. I had the LM1 and it had six outputs so I could log and measure AFR over 6 outputs such as RPM, TPS, etc. THe LC1 has only 2 outputs so it's more limited. And forget what I said above about the data logging capabilities. From what I can gather from the online manual, this unit DOES NOT do onboard datalogging. You'd have to hook it up to a PC. If it were me, I'd go with the LM1.

 

I have the lc-1 and believe it is by far the best of the mid level stand alone WB's out there.... a note on logging.

yes you can log the lc-1 with a with a pc, however simply logging the sensor alone gives you very little usable data since you have nothing to compare it to... the usefulness of the WB is is dependent on precise comparison with other data ( rpm,load ,temps....) so it is highly recommended that you invest in the expander box also or get an ecu which has logger channels for analog inputs.

 

Hmm, this seems like a good idea... the logger box. I will probably try to save up enough for it as well then.

 

I own an LM1 and LMA3 and absolutly love it, i can log afr's over rpm, load, tps, and egt's

ive got atleaste 8k miles on the sensor too, still works