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Old 02-01-02, 11:58 PM
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Fantastic Dogbox for RX7

I have recently started to run a GURU Dogbox gearset (manufactured in Australia) that is fantastic. I use it in my racer (Gen 1) but it also fits into all other housings.

It fits directly into the standard Mazda housing and is made to the same manufacturing specifications as a V8 Supercars (Australian - Bathurst etc).

Has anyone else tried a dogbox or are interested in more technical information? FYI also applicable for performance road or drag cars.
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How much, and what gear ratio's, Torque capacity, thickness of input shaft, Diameter of front input shaft bearing, Straight cut?

I want a 4th gear 1:1 instead of a 5th gear 1:1, tall 1st around 2.7:1, parts and avilability, is a big deal also, replaceable dogs?
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I had the following gear ratios installed, I know they can do others, you just need to discuss.

Gear Ratios:
1 - 2.387
2 - 1.705
3 - 1.339
4 - 1.144
5 - 1.00

Torque Capacity - In excess of 650hp

Not sure on the thickness of the input shaft or shaft bearing, I will find out and let you know. What I do know is they will fit directly into Gen 1 - Gen 3 engines so therefore I know they use the standard tail & input shaft splines parameters.

Cut - latest advanced dog geometry & 5 dog tooth profiles

All Parts are avail and can be shipped anywhere within a couple of days,
gears slide on cluster shaft for easy assembly & disassembly, changeable dog rings on 4th & 5th gears.

Price approx $4990 USD

I can tell you I have looked at Quaife, PBS, Sanz, Mazdaspeed and the quality, service and workmanship is the best I have ever seen! No wonder the V8 Super (Australia) teams use this technology. The gears are made from EN36Var Aerospace Vacuum arc remolt case hardened. They have recently been at show is the UK where they went off in abig way.

Have a look at gurumotorsports.com, some more information can be read at that site.
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Originally posted by twister
Not sure on the thickness of the input shaft or shaft bearing, I will find out and let you know. What I do know is they will fit directly into Gen 1 - Gen 3 engines so therefore I know they use the standard tail & input shaft splines parameters.
One unit won't do that. N/A and Turbo manual trannies had different input spline count/diameters as well as different trans lengths and output shaft spline count/diameters. I assume they use the Turbo standard.
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HI,

You are correct, one unit will not do that, when you order it you tell them which fitment you are after and they supply a different legth shaft with the correct fitment etc as well as the bearing etc. In mine I use the Turbo standard one.
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wuts a dogbox? like a seq. shift or what?
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Originally posted by magnus
How much, and what gear ratio's, Torque capacity, thickness of input shaft, Diameter of front input shaft bearing, Straight cut?

I want a 4th gear 1:1 instead of a 5th gear 1:1, tall 1st around 2.7:1, parts and avilability, is a big deal also, replaceable dogs?
Do you still drive your car on the street? GF5R is dope and you can use the H pattern shifter to keep streetability Then mid 9s will be a breeze for ya
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Originally posted by noodle
wuts a dogbox? like a seq. shift or what?
normally transmissions have synchronizers - there are splines on a gear, and splines on a slider that is attached to the shaft the gear spins on. There is also a small clutch between the two (the actual synchro). When you shift you move the slider to engage the splines, and the synchro rubs between the two until they're moving at the same speed and then the slider mates with the splines on the gear, and away you go. Nice, smooth, but can get balky if you try to shift too fast or too hard.

Dog trannies don't use that setup. Instead of splines, they have 9 or 10 big fat lugs, or dogs, on the gear and on the slider. No synchro. You just move the slider and CLACK it's in gear. The faster you shift, in fact, the less wear on the transmission. Downside is you HAVE to rev-match a downshift or it'll just grind, because they're non-synchronized. That's no big deal, really, the only people who say they're not streetable are the people who don't want to learn how to drive them. Before the 40's and 50's it was rare for ANY transmission to have synchros - I think modern tractor-trailers still have non-synchro transmissions!
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Originally posted by Greg


Do you still drive your car on the street? GF5R is dope and you can use the H pattern shifter to keep streetability Then mid 9s will be a breeze for ya
Hi, Yep it is both for the race and road use.

The pattern is 1st (back), 2nd Upwhere 1st is in a standard box, 3rd, straight back etc

The short shifter on the set-up is great, exceptionally short!
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With a dog box, you still have a clutch tho, right? And you can shift without the clutch also? I know next to nothing about dogbox's except for what I read here.
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35millisecond shift times we have measured these transmissions down to, you dont even have time to look at the clutch ! If anyone needs some tech information on these trans kits i have most of it on hand .
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Rohan, send me those specs please.

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twister thanks for the quick responses.
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Have a look at this , internals of my dog transmission , no wonder we are kickin *** !!
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I would be interested in any other info you have as well.

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Have you checked out the GURU web site, it has a fair bit of information (apparently still in early development stages, the web site). They are about to put a heap of photos on of the transmissions and torsen diff within the next couple of days.

The technology and engineering in the transmissions design leaves any competition in this area miles behind.

http://www.gurumotorsports.com
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whats the corect way of using it? like when do u shift up and when do u shift down?
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It is just like a 'syncro' box, just with straight cut gears so you can change gears without using the clutch! You still change gears the same i.e. once you have reached your maximum rev range in each gear. The correct way to use it is to be decisive with it, not ***** around with the gear changes. The gear changes are much much quicker and smoother, it prevents the revs from dropping off.

They are much stronger than any standard and most pro boxes. Just what you need for circuit and street drag sort of cars!
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So what is it like driving this tranny around on the street? I mean what if you are just out for a spin and arent planning on banging through the gears? I just wonder how smooth it would be if you just out for a spin. It just seem like gear changes would be abrupt and break the tires loose and snap your neck back even when your not at wide open throttle. Could you describe the "experience" for me. I really need to take a ride in a car that has a dogmission to see for myself. They seem like an awesome setup just not practical at all.
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Twister;

So the Quiafe 6 speeds dog engagement gear sets for the RX-7 is used in the same way as you described right so basically it works as any standard manual trans but with no synchros so I can shift as fast as I want and if shifting with ease meaning going from gears to gears without that fast shifting will it messed up the gears cause from what you described you have to shift fast.
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Hi, for normal road use the gearshifting is fine but the gearbox is fairly noisy due to the fact they are straight cut gears, as per all 'pro' boxes. The gear changes are very smooth and do not 'snap your head back' and do not break the tyres out, otherwise racers would not be using them. The whole gear change is actually much smoother than a normal box.

And look, they are really pratical for the street if you except the noiser gears. Re the experience, I will see if I can get some in car video with noise so you can understand what I mean. Or see if you can find someone with something similar.

re the Quaife, yes same idea just not to the same quality or strength (when you actually look at the quality of the gearsets, Guru is streets ahead!). You use it just like a 'standard' box, you do not need to shift it fast but that is the basic idea why they were made, ie.to reduce shift times for racers/drag etc. You have to be precise that is all.

You hear about all these drag guys breaking boxes etc, with these it is a thing of the past!
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Man that sound sweet as hell! So is so loud you cant listen to some music? I know several exhaust systems like that
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Cool

You can still listen to music, but just have to switch it up a bit.

When you hear it coming down the street it sounds unbelievable, like a race car is coming up. You can really tell the thing has some serious performance in it.
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Originally posted by twister
You can still listen to music, but just have to switch it up a bit.

When you hear it coming down the street it sounds unbelievable, like a race car is coming up. You can really tell the thing has some serious performance in it.
Nice... hmm 5000 + shipping from down under. That has GOT to put a dent in someones platinum card.
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to hear a good impression of straight cut gears, just drive in reverse. whirrrrrrrrr. Or play some gran turismo 3 and put a racing tranny in the car. whirrrrrrrrr
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The price is not cheap, but you pay for what you get! i.e. Excellent quality stuff.
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