Badog

On a base map (PFC), 337 rwhp / 284 lbs torque @ .83 boost. Stock block, turbos, and stock injectors for this run. A/F was solid 11's across the board.

Tuning will start once the 850s get put back into the primary spots.

Included is a chart from the data logged from the run.

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Nice power, you still haven't given me a ride .

Badog

Anytime, let's go.

Another dyno event is coming up in 2 weeks somewhere off of Lyman drive I hope. You going bring a beast out for some testing?

Should be a good one to come to. At least 2 of us are planning on going over 380 RWHP @ <.85 Bar. Video and witnesses are going to be needed

rx7tt95

Those are GREAT numbers. I dyno'd at 330rwhp at .85psi some time ago but with the thing moderately tuned (but still very rich), not off of the base maps. I went to Pettit last weekend and only pulled 308rwhp which has me wondering a bit if my motor is completely healthy. Idles/runs fine however and my drag times have stayed identical to what they were previously. Maybe it was his dyno setup since I don't use Pettit's tuning/engine porting :-) I'll try and post my maps here soon.

What were your IAT's? The only other items that I can think of which would create such dramatically lower readings would be the excessively humid/hot air here in S. Florida and a toasty IC. I was seeing 55 degrees C. on the PFC for IAT's. I also have a lower intake manifold leak, around the EGR, which might be causing the loss but Cam didn't think it would drop hp much.

Sorry to hijack the thread. Nice numbers regardless! We have almost identical modifications except for the FMIC and injectors. I'd be curious to see what you'd pull using my maps which are on the Datalogit web page.

Badog

Michel,

Thanks! I'll do your maps next time out on the dyno (~2 weeks.)

We dyno'ed at almost 1am on this past Friday, outdoors. The highest HP run was the 4th one...not more than 5 minutes between runs. First couple were really low due to boost controller learning issues (AVC-R.) The ambient air temp. was still in the high 70's, 80's, with a comfortable humidity rating. IAT started at 50C, but was recorded as 31C with a bag of ice on the UIM. I am thinking about replacing the stock IAT sensor with a faster acting one. Do you know what the output ranges are on the stock sensors?

Last time out, I ran 318 / 280 at .75bar in 95 F, 90% humidity...but no A/F numbers that time, hence the need of this session to "baseline."

rx7tt95

God I wish I knew because it's one of my pet peeves...it takes forever for the IAT to react! Let me know what you make as it may be my engine or their dyno. Who knows.

I'll be hitting a different dyno on August 3 as we're hosting a dyno/bbq for the Mazda Rotary Car Club of Florida (www.mrccfl.com). I'll get all of my dyno runs scanned in soon. I'm interested to see what everyone thinks.
Michel

Badog

Michel,

I'll start a thread about the IAT sensor and what I find and pm you the link. I have a new, aftermarket one, to test with, and I'll be testing the stock one when I pull off the UIM to put the 850's back in (the primaries.)

Post those charts! You datalogging when you dyno, too? I'd be interested in that too.

rx7tt95

Will do. I'll take everything into work with me today. I can't get my scanner to work on my new G4 at home, sigh...it's an old scanner. Anyhoo, I was not datalogging as I couldn't get the interface to respond. Two others were counting on my datalogit to make a few changes. I think my serial to usb adapter went out, not sure, but it's been a PITA. :-) We're hitting the dyno again on August 3 for the SW Florida Rotary gathering (dyno/drag/rally/bbq) and I'll datalog the runs as well.
Michel

rx7tt95

I managed to get everything scanned in today at work. I'll post my last dyno run at Pettit FIRST and then I'll start at the beginning, when I first started modding the car and made my first dyno runs. The more I look at the graphs the more suspicious I am, so much so that I'm considering going down to the local dyno this weekend.

I also managed to find a new USB to serial adapter so I should have my datalogit up and running again this week as well.

The two runs on the attached dyno were done last Saturday with my current mods listed in my signature. Stock engine, stock turbos, .9 to .95 of boost, essentially 13psi. Runs were made in the afternoon, ambient air temp was around 90+, high humidity. Plugs are about 5-7K old, oil to be changed in 1000 miles, lower intake manifold leak.

rx7tt95

Oh forgot to mention that I took a few percentages of fuel out using the PIM setting to clean up the upper midrange for the second run. I gained 1hp but lost 5ft.lbs of torque, most likely due to heat. I did drive 2+ hours to get there as well. I knew I was still running pretty rich but it was better than what I thought it would have been. I did a bit of seat of the pants tuning and leaned it out in the middle previously, but it wasn't enough. It looks pretty decent after adjusting things with the PIM. I may richen it up a bit at the top end.
Michel
Michel

rx7tt95

Ok, here's my first trip to a Dynojet fairly close to the point where I started to modify my car. My mods at the time were N-Tech intake, downpipe, stock main cat, stock IC, PFC, GReddy PE cat-back. I also brought the CWR intercooler with me for testing. Stock injectors/fuel system. The Dyno Shop (that's the name of the place) did not have an integral 02, just a hand held so no a/f plots.

rx7tt95

Ok, this one is basically the same as the previous, but this time I swapped in the CWR intercooler. I have stock and CWR on this dyno plot for comparison. Note the stock was tested first thus the car was hotter when I ran with the CWR. Took me about 10 minutes to swap thanks to not having the stock duct work installed. The last run, in green, ends abruptly as he thought the a/f was going a bit lean. My IC coupling on the y-pipe discharge also popped off. Talk about skipping a heartbeat...he slaps on the roof to kill the run (I'm behind the wheel). Just as I lift (throttle plates close), POP! Off comes the pipe. I thought I had just blown my engine, LOL. Not funny at the time though :-) Still using the stock fuel system and hitting maybe mid to upper 80's in duty cycle.

rx7tt95

Oh, the PFC had not really been tuned for the CWR IC, which on the dyno, doesn't make much of a difference anyway.

rx7tt95

Since my duty cycles were not in my "comfort" zone, I elected to send it back to SR Motorsports to have it retuned for 850 primary/secondaries. They did an EXTRAORDINARY job. I located a dynojet operator with an integrated wideband too. All the modifications are the same as previously, it's just tuned to take advantage of the IC and more boost :-) The stock main cat/airpump is still in place. I believe I threw in a Walbro 255lph fuel pump at this point too.
Michel

rx7tt95

While 290+ RWHP is nice, more is better! I got in on the group buy for Pettit's resonated midpipe and ordered a set of 1300cc secondaries. I went back to the stock 550 primaries and sent the PFC off to SR for retuning. I did not pay (just for the record!) which is a good thing...I posted the best of the previous runs with the main cat still in place. Check out my post 1300cc a/f ratios. They're so rich that they are off the chart! So at this point I'm fully modded and I added an HKS ignition too. I "think" I may have had an ACT in with a lightweight flywheel but I can't remember off hand. Actually I believe I added it later as the stock clutch lasted a pretty darn good time given the fact I was abusing it on the strip.
Michel

rx7tt95

To say that I was disappointed in my post-midpipe hp figures would be an understatement. I actually installed the midpipe and enriched the PFC a bit on my own previous to sending it out to Ray. It was a complete and utter animal before the tuning and it felt slower when the computer returned. The a/f numbers tell the story!

What to do? Hit the dyno of course! I must have made 15 pulls but we managed to gain about 30hp. Well worth the effort. I did not have the datalogit for the PFC (wasn't even around back then) so I had to use the tiny fuel menu maps to tune. Took a long time to make changes, that's for sure. In some places, I took out 16 "clicks" of fuel. As we got close, we made the decision to be better safe than sorry. Meaning I'll drive it around and see how it feels before making additional changes. Everything seemed great and with that map/tuning, I managed a 7.8 in the 1/8's at 90+mph, roasted a few Z06's and a 550 Maranello, etc...needless to say I was having great fun!

rx7tt95

Forgot to mention...the lower hp line is the starting "baseline" run which is almost identical to the dynojet in terms of hp numbers. No torque as we could not get a setting on the Clayton to work. Oh yeah. It's not a dynojet. It's one of a handful of new, state of the art Claytons that does EVERYTHING a dynojet does (inertia runs) and more, including peak/hold runs which loads the engine until it cannot accelerate any further (best for tuning and getting ACCURATE a/f numbers at precise rpm points).

The top hp run is where we finished up. 330rwhp! These are uncorrected numbers as well, so they were hp numbers for 92 degree ambient temps. An M5 dynoed the same peak hp meaning I'm making about 395 at the flywheel. Yummy.

Since the Clayton numbers were almost identical to the Dynojets, I have utmost faith in the Clayton numbers. The next dyno is where it gets controversial....

rx7tt95

Ok, this dyno plot represents my car versus that of Ryan Wolfe. Ryan has a Pettit hybrid primary turbo, Pettit's porting and lots of other Pettit parts. Ryan, who is a friend I might add, "says" he's only making 7psi. I did not see his PFC peak reading after the run. Ryan says he has a few other problems with the car as well, can't remember what they are. Not flaming you Ryan, I just can't verify anything and I'm a bit suspicious about my numbers.

The mileage difference between my last 330rwhp run and my 308rwhp run last Saturday was approximately 20,000 miles. I had new plugs on the 330rwhp run versus plugs that had about 5K miles on them. I did drive 2+ hours to get to the Pettit dyno and it was pretty steamy on both days. Altitude is more than likely, identical.

What gets me is that Ryan is making a few less hp at almost HALF the boost level. Just doesn't seem realistic that porting would make that much of a difference with stock turbos/redline. I did make 30+ft.lbs. of torque than he did which is also pretty interesting. His torque "curve" is almost flat as a board. Pretty amazing. I have a huge hit which holds for a bit at 5K. My maps for this run were the same on the fuel side, using slightly modified timing maps based on some XS maps (in combination with my previous tuning maps, not an outright conversion to the XS timing map).

So...I think I'll hit another dyno this weekend if I have the time. I'm really curious. If it comes out similar, I owe Pettit and Cam an apology for insinuating anything unethical :-) I had no intentions of doing the former, but my numbers are REALLY not where they should be. At the moment, it's tempting to blame the dyno, LOL. Then again, we all like to believe our cars are in perfect condition. If the numbers come in low again, it's off to get a compression check.

For those on the datalogit group list, I have posted my maps there so feel free to dyno with them if you are running the same combo. I'd like to see what your numbers are with this tuning! Comments/facts/opinions appreciated.

GoodfellaFD3S

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Interesting stuff, Michel. My R1 is at RP right now for some dyno fine-tuning after a Jacobs Pro Pack install.


My 368 rwhp run at KDRotary never yielded a hard copy b/c Dave's hard drive crashed shortly after the runs, so I'm having RP dyno me in an attempt to come close to that 368 figure. Of course, dynoing in July in TX will prolly not give the same numbers as in Jan in PA

I'll keep you all posted on how it comes out...

rx7tt95

Excellent. Yeah heat takes it's toll although the dynojet is supposed to correct for atmospheric. Thing is, it doesn't adjust for the IC and engine heat soak :-) I love Florida, but there's really only a 3 month slot where we have anything approaching "normal" temps. I worked in Dallas for a bit over a year and I can say it's the only place I've been that's consistently hotter in the summer than SW Florida. Then again, they don't have anywhere near the humidity level!

Be sure to post your results. I'd greatly appreciate it.
Michel

Badog

Michel,

If I was in FLA I'd stop over and force you/help you to get that LIM leak addressed!

You have alot of torque missing. Get those plugs out of there! I run platinum 9's in all 4 and am getter better plug wear from the trailings from the base maps.

My 318 run was made in very similar conditions, but at .75 bar. Torque was still higher.

Checking out the other charts...

Badog

Holy sheet! Healthy graph.

Badog

Ryans seems close to my 318 @ .75 bar run. Incremental gains. Would be nice to make 636 @ 1.5 bar!

Torque still seems about 20 ft. lbs too low.

Have you considered making a run at .7 or so bar? I did it by accident, but I have appreciated having the data associated with that pull.

Datalog! Man, I don't know what I would do without the dataloging.

And, I just heard that my wideband is being sent out in the next 7 days!

Let us know how the runs stack up.

rx7tt95

Will do. Thanks for the feedback. I'll run over to Advance Auto and get a set. I do run 9's all the way around, plats. Maybe I'll make a few lower boost runs as well.
Michel

rx7tt95

Except for that one spike Baddog, our torque output is pretty similar. If you look at my "spike" after transition, it's much flatter. I think you're still about 10ft.lbs. higher than I am however.
Michel