3 piece seals are back...
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3 piece seals are back...
For all those fretting over the 2 piece, you can once again buy the 3 piece seals, the old 3 piece number use to supercede to a the new 2 piece seals, but it just changed, and that numbers is now superceded by the number for the 3 piece seals..
My last order for seals showed up as 2 piece'ers, I just got another order of seals in and they are all 3 piece...Hmm I kinda like the 2 piece'rs myself...Max
My last order for seals showed up as 2 piece'ers, I just got another order of seals in and they are all 3 piece...Hmm I kinda like the 2 piece'rs myself...Max
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Originally Posted by sixstar
Probably a dumb question, how often do you have to change the seals?
I hear 30,000 miles, it might be wrong though
I hear 30,000 miles, it might be wrong though
It depends on the power you are making, the amount of knock you have, how your cooling system is , your fuel support, how you drive the car... etc etc etc etc etc
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Is there an average amount of miles?
I have a 12a with about nothin done to it... could you give me an estimate?
Is there something that I can look for to see if I need to change the seals? Is there something that I will definetely notice... sorry for the dumb questions... I'm just kinda knew to the 7, just got mine 2 days ago.
I have a 12a with about nothin done to it... could you give me an estimate?
Is there something that I can look for to see if I need to change the seals? Is there something that I will definetely notice... sorry for the dumb questions... I'm just kinda knew to the 7, just got mine 2 days ago.
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Good question. How good are your squinting skills?
With the aid of the Zoom function, "New two-piece apex seal of acleular [?] cast iron with very low carbon content is adopted in the RENESIS two-rotor engine. . . The digitally controlled, electron-beam chill-hardening process results in a deeper and more uniform hardened area at the top of the seal. The apex seal is crowned and its tip is rounded so that it follows the trochoid sliding surface up to the engine's higher peak revolutions of 9000 rpm." I have been told these updates carried over to all the 2-piece seals.
Therefore, if Mazda completely reverts back to the old 3-piece seals then the replacement seals will have a higher carbon content.
With the aid of the Zoom function, "New two-piece apex seal of acleular [?] cast iron with very low carbon content is adopted in the RENESIS two-rotor engine. . . The digitally controlled, electron-beam chill-hardening process results in a deeper and more uniform hardened area at the top of the seal. The apex seal is crowned and its tip is rounded so that it follows the trochoid sliding surface up to the engine's higher peak revolutions of 9000 rpm." I have been told these updates carried over to all the 2-piece seals.
Therefore, if Mazda completely reverts back to the old 3-piece seals then the replacement seals will have a higher carbon content.
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Originally Posted by sixstar
Probably a dumb question, how often do you have to change the seals?
I hear 30,000 miles, it might be wrong though
I hear 30,000 miles, it might be wrong though
young grashoppa, these are the apex seals, the equivalent of piston rings in a piston engine. they dont realy get replaced until they break (the dread of every rotary owner) or the engine is apart for other reasons and they are worn to the point that replacement would be worthwhile. just like how someone would not just up and say, well its been 30,000 miles, i need new piston rings......
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Originally Posted by sixstar
Is there an average amount of miles?
I have a 12a with about nothin done to it... could you give me an estimate?
Is there something that I can look for to see if I need to change the seals? Is there something that I will definetely notice... sorry for the dumb questions... I'm just kinda knew to the 7, just got mine 2 days ago.
I have a 12a with about nothin done to it... could you give me an estimate?
Is there something that I can look for to see if I need to change the seals? Is there something that I will definetely notice... sorry for the dumb questions... I'm just kinda knew to the 7, just got mine 2 days ago.
How easily does the car start up? That will tell you a lot about engine health.
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Originally Posted by Maxthe7man
For all those fretting over the 2 piece, you can once again buy the 3 piece seals, the old 3 piece number use to supercede to a the new 2 piece seals, but it just changed, and that numbers is now superceded by the number for the 3 piece seals..
My last order for seals showed up as 2 piece'ers, I just got another order of seals in and they are all 3 piece...Hmm I kinda like the 2 piece'rs myself...Max
My last order for seals showed up as 2 piece'ers, I just got another order of seals in and they are all 3 piece...Hmm I kinda like the 2 piece'rs myself...Max
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Does anyone know what problems have been experianced with the new 1 piece seals that have replaced the old 2 piece?
As mentioned the 2 piece have become available again.... if the part number starts with N323 they are more likely the n/a 2 piece which are still available but are a different colour, which makes me wonder if they are a different material also..... possibly a weaker material as n/a seals wouldn't need to be as strong as turbo apex seals???
As mentioned the 2 piece have become available again.... if the part number starts with N323 they are more likely the n/a 2 piece which are still available but are a different colour, which makes me wonder if they are a different material also..... possibly a weaker material as n/a seals wouldn't need to be as strong as turbo apex seals???
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Originally Posted by sixstar
Is there an average amount of miles?
I have a 12a with about nothin done to it... could you give me an estimate?
Is there something that I can look for to see if I need to change the seals? Is there something that I will definetely notice... sorry for the dumb questions... I'm just kinda knew to the 7, just got mine 2 days ago.
I have a 12a with about nothin done to it... could you give me an estimate?
Is there something that I can look for to see if I need to change the seals? Is there something that I will definetely notice... sorry for the dumb questions... I'm just kinda knew to the 7, just got mine 2 days ago.
12A's last damned near forever. Mine has only 175k on it and it still fires on the first turn of the starter.
12A's have nothing to do with this thread, though. The 3-piece seals are only for 2mm seal 13Bs, which were made '86-02.
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Originally Posted by Maxthe7man
For all those fretting over the 2 piece, you can once again buy the 3 piece seals, the old 3 piece number use to supercede to a the new 2 piece seals, but it just changed, and that numbers is now superceded by the number for the 3 piece seals..
My last order for seals showed up as 2 piece'ers, I just got another order of seals in and they are all 3 piece...Hmm I kinda like the 2 piece'rs myself...Max
My last order for seals showed up as 2 piece'ers, I just got another order of seals in and they are all 3 piece...Hmm I kinda like the 2 piece'rs myself...Max
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Hmmm....Well, I'm running the new 2 piece seals and they've held up just as good as the 3 piece.....~20 psi on pump gas :-)
But the older 3 piece did offer slightly better sealing.
My .02
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But the older 3 piece did offer slightly better sealing.
My .02
JD
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Originally Posted by Boostn7
Hmmm....Well, I'm running the new 2 piece seals and they've held up just as good as the 3 piece.....~20 psi on pump gas :-)
But the older 3 piece did offer slightly better sealing.
My .02
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But the older 3 piece did offer slightly better sealing.
My .02
JD
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<what kind of exhaust portwork do you have?>
my exhaust ports are rounded somewhat...similar to stock just bigger with smoothed edge all around.
<I have heard rumors that the 'wrong' kind of exhaust porting will cause an early demise of these seals.....basically if the closing is more rounded than straight across.>
more rounded would offer more support as the seal passes over the exhaust port.
The only weakness of the seal is same as the 3 piece...at the corner edge as it meets the corner piece...but overall they should be stronger and last longer.
JD
my exhaust ports are rounded somewhat...similar to stock just bigger with smoothed edge all around.
<I have heard rumors that the 'wrong' kind of exhaust porting will cause an early demise of these seals.....basically if the closing is more rounded than straight across.>
more rounded would offer more support as the seal passes over the exhaust port.
The only weakness of the seal is same as the 3 piece...at the corner edge as it meets the corner piece...but overall they should be stronger and last longer.
JD