Rotary Car Performance General Rotary Car and Engine modification discussions.

2-stroke oils; API-TC oils instead of TCW-3 oils

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Aug 16, 2005 | 03:46 PM
  #1  
flubyux2's Avatar
Thread Starter
Thats not an FC...
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 844
Likes: 0
From: spring hill, Fla
2-stroke oils; API-TC oils instead of TCW-3 oils

in my last post in regards to using the smog pump to pressurize the oil tank, i mentioned using Bombardier XPS oil specified for Rotax engines. ive owned and rode Sea-Doo PWC, specifically a GSX Limited. Sea-Doo uses a proprietary induction/exhaust system called RAVE. ive decided that a TCW-3 oil is NOT the best choice for use with a 2-stroke converted Rotary engine. the Rotary engine has combustion temperatures that are far too high for the Ashless oil. in contrast, an API-TC grade oil is formulated to provide better protection in a greater temperature range. i feel that id be better off using the XPS oil instead of a specific rotary performance oil, just due to the fact that XPS oil is typically available at any ATV/Motorcycle/PWC retailer.

heres some info i found too. let me know what you guys think

Rotax’s Position on What Oil to use
As we all know, Bombardier requires that an API-TC oil be used in their engines. Most other PWC manufacturers allow the use of TCW3 in their engines. So, what’s the difference? A PWC is a PWC, right? No, it’s not! Rotax marine engines evolved from their very successful snowmobile and motorcycle racing designs. These engines produce more power/cc than any other PWC manufacturer’s engine. Rotax designs these engines to work harder and run hotter than other brands. They simply need more protection than TCW3 oils can give. Those that use TCW3 oils are risking high temp. Seizure if the engine cooling system plugs or and internal fuel filter plugs (lean condition). These things may not happen very often, but when they do, it’s better to have a little extra protection that only a TI-TC oil can give.



So, what’s the best oil to use?
I truly believe there are no bad oils anymore (well, maybe a few really cheap ones are not so good). Most problems with oils are the result of misuse. I had a friend once that insisted on mixing STP with his premix. He swore his motor made more bottom end with STP in the fuel. Well, it may have, but he invested considerably more $$ in spark plugs than just about anyone else on the planet. He was also responsible for single handedly stunting the growth of the entire mosquito population in southeast Texas (thank God he quit riding). I hear a lot of complaints about the high cost of some 2-stroke engine oils, mostly Bombardier XPS. Well, I have to agree, it isn’t cheap, but neither are any of the other API-TC oils compared to the TCW3 type oils. Unfortunately it just costs more to manufacture API-TC oils than TCW3 oils. Despite its relatively high cost, I cannot recall any Rotax engine failing because of XPS oil. XPS oil was a joint development of Castrol and Bombardier. Bombardier wanted a ‘universal’ high performance engine oil that they could use in all their recreational products. That meant oil would flow freely at –40 deg/f and still maintain sufficient film strength at 350 deg/f. The first generation of XPS (1995) was formulated using Ashless detergents; this allowed the Rave valves in the then new 787 motor to stick. The formula was later changed (1996) to a low ash detergent that eliminated the rave valve sticking problems. There have been several minor improvements in XPS since 1996. Castrol remains the only manufacturer of XPS. This is a proprietary blend sold only by Bombardier.

There are a number of good API-TC type oils out there if you chose not to use XPS. If the oil you want to use does not have the ATP-TC certification on the container, contact the manufacturer. Most of them will be more than glad to provide you with information on their products.
Reply
Old Aug 17, 2005 | 12:40 AM
  #2  
BDC's Avatar
BDC
BDC Motorsports
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 3,667
Likes: 6
From: Grand Prairie, TX
Very interesting reading and definitely worth looking into further.

B
Reply
Old Aug 17, 2005 | 07:57 AM
  #3  
RETed's Avatar
Lives on the Forum
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 26,664
Likes: 22
From: n
I question this...

Those that use TCW3 oils are risking high temp. Seizure if the engine cooling system plugs
Hmmm...catastrophic failure of the cooling system?
Like you're going to worry about lubrication problems when this happens?


...or and internal fuel filter plugs (lean condition).
Lubrication is the last thing on my mind if you're running lean.
Running a rotary motor lean (under load) is just a big no-no.

To me, the whole thing sounds like a slick commercial.
Lots of smoke-n-mirrors with a lot of tech sounding terms and phrases just to hype their product.
Remember, they are trying to sell you something...


-Ted
Reply
Old Aug 17, 2005 | 04:12 PM
  #4  
mazpower's Avatar
Slizzard sippin sizzurp
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 645
Likes: 0
From: Cali
Every engine I've seen come apart, where its been run with premixed TCW3-spec oil, has looked just fine to me. Just run the right ratio and everything is kosher.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
stickmantijuana
3rd Generation Specific (1993-2002)
13
Jan 9, 2018 11:19 AM
troym55
3rd Generation Specific (1993-2002)
23
May 25, 2016 12:42 PM
tiger18
3rd Generation Specific (1993-2002)
9
Sep 3, 2015 08:27 PM
rotor_veux
2nd Generation Specific (1986-1992)
5
Sep 3, 2015 07:10 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:31 AM.