I don't think anybody said the Porsche was "a joke" A few people, such as myself, don't believe its putting down 950 AWHP. That is utter BS. Period.

And yes, I know of "Sharky" & his highly modded 911TT. unless his car has suddenly gained 400 WHP in the last few months (ie via an entire engine transplant), it is not putting down that much power. Last I heard he was in the 500 - 550 WHP range.

Der Ghetto Porsche (aka Sharky), Red C5 (blown), and some other guys get together & run their cars at night on occasion - this was just another of those friendly outings. His 911TT is already nasty fast with around 550ish rwhp. It does not have 950 awhp.

See ya,
-Matt

 

im a big fan of porsche......sounded mean. I love turbos

 

SO a RX-7 with more power and torque that weighs less, and a known Viper that is in the 800+ whp range both lose to a 550 AWHP Porsche? Why is that? The Viper won one of two of the races but not by much. ALl of that info came from the owner of the RX-7.

 

Your logic is sound but as I stated before, I don't think that RX-7 is putting down 507 RWHP. Why? Because the LS2 6.0L V8 is pretty much a brand new engine released by GM for the GTO & C6 (2006 MY) chassis putting down about 330- 340 rwhp. So, you are telling me someone bought a brand new C6 Vette motor, already did the engine transplant & tuning, & in addition - extracted approx 170 rwhp more power without a blower? A new C6 ZO6 with a full exhaust & tune puts down 490ish rwhp.

I don't think its "likely" the RX-7 with a N/A LS2 (and no Nos - which is a crutch anyway IMO) is putting down 507 rwhp. 507 Hp at the flywheel with a small 70 shot of Nos - yes....believeable(far fetched, but "believeable...maybe). 507 RWHP w/no Nos - err, no.

A good example is a friend if mine whom has an '04 Z06. He's got a full exhaust, intake, & some other bolt ons - he's putting down 390 rwhp. No way a guy with an LS2 (starts out with 5 Hp less but lets call it "even") can extract another 117 rwhp in N/A format from a 400 Hp LS2. 170 rwhp over stock 340 rwhp is a 50% Hp increase in N/A format. That is HUGE.

Last point, that 911 is not putting out 1200 @ the flywheel (a 20% drivetrain loss for 4WD nets 960 rwhp). That is FAR FETCHED to say the least. Its VERY fast, its just not 950 AWD fast.

-Matt

 

Matt,

Like i posted above. This is not a normal ls2 basic bolt on ls2, its been stroked to a 402, cammed, ported heads (i believe its ported 5.3 truck heads to bump compression), and more. His SN is Mas280 and currently has the fastest all motor fd right now. Mas280 and LS1240z helped me w/ my conversion and they both own 10 sec or faster LSx FD's.

https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...2&postcount=99

507rwhp all motor is no lie, you can had another 30+rwhp w/ upgraded race heads. Search on ls1tech.com, he's on there too.

If you want to run these guys we can arrange that too. Friendly race, win or lose it doesnt matter.

 

I believe the LS2 is making good power but again the dyno posted looks to be uncorrected? (Close enough, anyhow)

Show me that 950 AWHP dyno.

 

I didn't say it was bs, I said I don't see 950 awhp. See post above.

 

I thought you calling b.s. on both cars. no biggie

I would show you if i could, but i cant.

 

It's ok Bee I'll forgive ya!

 

 

Uh Oh! I've been corrected! Geezuz, I did NOT realize he did all that internal work (I thought it was just a bolt on LS2)! OK, MY BAD & MY APOLOGIES guys!

Audio (aka "Bee") - thanks for the heads up Yes, maybe we can hook up some time. My FD will get waxed though so that would be a waste of time. I'm getting cams for the wife's SLK which should raise rwhp to over 500 (I'll still loose but it might be funny!

See yaaaaa,
-Matt

 

THERE IS A NEARLY 900 HP white porsche that apneablue did OUT RUN A 800 HP SUPRA. SO THERE ARE FAST PORSCHES OUT THERE. YOU JUST GOTTA FIND IT!



that vid was sick. nice kill. The rx7 shot off like a rocket

but i would still leave the rotary engine inside. wouldnt like the muscle car sound in a mazda!

 

I smell a rotary vs. ls1 argument coming on...

 

Its just my opinion. he likes the sound of the LS1. and i like the high pitch sound of a rotary.

Im not into muscle cars

 

Rx7 owners are never satisfied, different strokes for different folks.

 

"996 with 950AWHP
"The 996 is AWD and it is very fast, he has over 100,000 just in the motor""

Looks more like the 996 owner wasn't satisfied. 100 grand in just the motor...

 

950AWHP? Proven, you lose an average of 24% through the driveline of any AWD car...

 

Exactly. So the 996 would have to have ~1200hp at the flywheel in order to get 950hp to all four wheels. Not saying it's impossible for it to have that much power, I just don't think a 600whp FD can keep up with that much of a beast. It must have been detuned for street driving.

 

Even an LS2 with basic bolt ons (cams, heads, headers and TB with some LS edit) will get a gain of around 100 flywheel horse (depending on cam)... so that makes around 420 RWHP on a "Bolt on" LS2. Bore and stroke it and the skys the limit. A 402 (6.6liter) LS2 can but down 600 hp on a solid roller cam (no nitrous). Also, the LS1 and LS2 engines have much more in common than they have different. It's basically just a slightly larger engine (5.7 vs 6.0) with some other things that make it more "reliable".

You can make comparable power to the LS2 with the same ammount of displacement. Most people don't realize just how amazing these new chevy small blocks are. Chevy made a Ultra lightweight, reliable, good gasmileage engine that dosen't need turbochargers, Nitrous, or an extra 2 or 4 cylinders to make amazing horsepower.

(You can buy a custom built 402 shortblock for 3k(missing things like heads and cams)... then stick your choice of cams and other goodies onto it. After the 402 is completely built you may have dropped about 10-12 grand into an engine that depending on the cam make up to 600 or more RWHP N/A)

 

I'd say it's safe to say you are correct about the Porsche racing the FD. I know quite a few guys with these cars. It's typical for the 996 turbo guys to express engine power instead of wheel HP. Even so if you go to Evolution motorsports you'll see they've been experts for quite some time. With they claim to hold the record to date for the 996 twin turbo 1/4 mile along with a video of a 10.37 @ 139.68.

http://www.evoms.com/p%20996tt%20gt800.htm

I doubt the Porsche turbo vs. FD in the video which started this thread is driving a car with 200 more wheel HP than the Evolution Motorsports car, but then again people do get hit by lightning once in a while.

 

Ahhh, thanks for your post. I was looking throught that site and vala... dyno sheet for 960rwhp!! http://www.evoms.com/p%20996tt%20gt900.htm#960

 

proof at last!!

 

ooo

that's a lot to put down through all 4.

 

I finally read that the Porsche really makes 862 awhp at 1.3 bar of boost. But it was only running about a bar or less, and the viper was down on boost also, about 10 psi. The next race will have both cars at higher boost when the traction problems get solved. The Porsche has been said to be able to run 1.8 bar or more! So 950 awhp isn't out of the question! Oh, and Gary Javo was talking about this race on Viper Alley.

 

I never doubted that the 996 is capable of those numbers. It was just that the 7 with "only" 600hp was able to keep up with it that well so I had to figure something was wrong with at least one of the cars numbers. Now that you say the 996 was down on power I can understand the results on the vid.