Natey

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Let's compare apples to apples.
1993 Corvette:


1993 RX-7:


I'm pretty sure you made the right choice the 1st time around when you bought a Mazda.

estevan62274

iTrader: (32)

^nice one

bhop

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It's not even that deep. It's basic arithmetic and some common sense. Just put the two side by side and look for the potential in stock form. I'd take an FD any day if money allowed for it.

1QWIK7

iTrader: (33)

Wait.

So you're claiming a 350rwhp fd can trap 122-125?

Just answer that first lol.

Because a stock z can. Your race was to 120. Not to 180.

1QWIK7

iTrader: (33)

Just so we're on course.

OP said his fd dynoed at 431rwhp vs this 480rwhp z for THIS VIDEO.


Idk about you but fd should have walked it no? I mean with those rwhp figures.

1QWIK7

iTrader: (33)

There's more factors that have to be applied. Not only physics.

There's power/torque delivery. Gearing. And like I said earlier. Driver.

It is only 1 shift but what good is it when you get lag between shifts on a turbo car when it's straight through with a torquey v8.

You have to factor those in as well.

Mr rx-7 tt

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Yes, Brooks Wiesenblat years ago trapped 122 in 90 degree Florida heat. He was making 360 whp when he dynoed in cooler weather.



It also wasn't from a stop. The majority of his race was from 60-70 mph on.

Oh and...

https://www.rx7club.com/time-slips-d...-video-702888/

https://www.rx7club.com/time-slips-d...21-psi-953139/


What else you got?

1QWIK7

iTrader: (33)

Thats great actually.

Now my "ranger c6 z06" comparison fits just perfect. Thanks for the info.

But only 1 guy? That's an old *** post man.

Like i said earlier. Its about torque/hp delivery, gearing and DRIVER.

NOT only physics.

What about the video i posted??

That was the video that this discussion started from.

How does his 431rwhp FD lose to a 480rwhp c6z??

I mean physics right? The FD should have walked it.


Exactly.

My whole point was that a stock Z can get to 122-125 in a 1/4 mile distance. This is with 440-450rwhp stock.

His race was up to 120.

Mr rx-7 tt

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I named two, how many do you need? Do the facts and numbers change because they are a couple years old?

Horsepower curve. Peaky single, slow spool. Also, sounds like it's missing to me.

And? Is that new? A stock twin car has trapped 128.

130 or so. He pulled away multiple times. The point is the faster the cars go the worse it gets for the z because of drag. They ran from a roll.

Mr rx-7 tt

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Natey

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Dude, he wants a Vette. There's no convincing him. Maybe 15 years from now when he realizes he traded in the car that's rare, fast, good looking and collectable for a cookie cutter 'vette with lots of power but no soul, he will agree with us ...again. My dad's old Ski boat had an Olds 455 pumping out 600+ hp, but it was still just a fiberglass ski boat that would sink as soon as a real swell hit it.

Just my .02 cents. I'll get out of this thread now.

Gringo Grande

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I love my FD but I totally understand why he would want a Z. Some people on this forum (not referencing anyone in this thread in particular) are like the idiots in politics and religion...so stuck on one idea that they refuse to acknowledge that someone else might think differently from them.

Jesus...so someone doesn't want a FD anymore. It's a 20yrs old car...I love mine and doubt I'll ever get rid of it but I don't look at it as some magical unicorn that makes me the special kid in the world of automobiles.

Most of the public doesn't even know what a FD is and would be more impressed if you pulled up in a BMW 3 Series much less a Vette or god forbid a true exotic like a McLaren.

Natey

iTrader: (19)

^^^Exactly why they will be worth money when we're all old.

The generation above us all wanted big block Chevelles and Shelby Mustangs, both of which are worth much more than their sticker price. Most people didn't bother drooling over a gullwing 300sl or a Ferrari Daytona because they were too expensive to realistically imagine buying.
Our generation has the FD3S, the NSX and the Supra. Forget the 3000gt and the 300ZX because they were both watered down and overweight. These are the three cars will be worth money some day. Mark my words.

1QWIK7

iTrader: (33)

No not at all. Like i said its great you pointed that out. So now i can tell everyone 350rwhp FD's can trap over 120 lol.

I can now also tell people, like i have in this thread stock C6Z's can run 10.7's now.

Thanks for the confirmation.


lol thanks for proving my point.

An outcome to a race soley doesnt rely on physics. Too many determining factors.


Hmm the 128 trap 10 sec slip i am a bit iffy. Here's why.

So weight savings and a street ported motor.

I dont give credit to that 10 sec slip.

The 11.19 @ 123 yes i do. I stand corrected on that.


Wait. So its 130 or so now?

He said 70-120, you said 130 or so. Which one is it??

Fact is, yes they did run from a roll, so ET times are out. I was merely comparing that a stock Z can hit a trap of 122-125 in a 1/4 correct?

Therefore we now pointed out that a 350rwhp FD can trap 123 in the 1/4 correct?

So if a 350rwhp FD and a stock Z can trap the same in the 1/4, it means their acceleration are identical, given a good driver.

So thats why i said it makes sense HIS 405rwhp WOULD pull a 450rwhp stock Z.

But then i also said there's more to it than just physics ALONE.

Theres hp/torque delivery, gearing and DRIVER, like i said over and over.

And the video i have posted about OP with 431rwhp losing to a 480rwhp Z proves that.

1QWIK7

iTrader: (33)

Thank you.

Finally someone with an open mind.

Some people think the fd is the end all be all of sports cars. The mentality from being on this forum almost 10 years didn't stick with me. Thank God.

Like remember mark? He said a GTR wasn't a supercar lol. And said the c6z was NOT an upgrade to the fd LOL.

I still love the fd. It's the reason why I kept it 9+years. My t2 was the reason why I wanted to get the ultimate rx. The fd.

Just because I talk about supras and Z's has nothing to do with anything. I love ALL cars.

I just want to disect situations when I find it questioning. It's part of my mentality.

I love debates. Lol as seen in the lounge. But there was no comp there.

I wish 2ndgen came back. He actually gave me comp.

drftinmx6

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I don't see any point to any of this argument, darkphantom has a 600whp FD, and you want a vette, it's your money, spend it on what you want but dark phantom's FD is probably going to be faster than your corvette, and he probably has less money put into his FD, at the end of the day you're driving one of your dream cars, and phantom is driving his, and i know i am driving mine.

Mr rx-7 tt

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You believed a 350 whp RX-7 wouldn't trap 120, I showed they would now you are making silly comments. Will a 350 whp RX-7 trap over 120 yes, will a Z06 yes. Your point is a straw man and it's irrelevant.

Another straw man. I guess we can put a 9 year old in a Bugatti Veyron and an F1 driver in a Honda and that means a Honda is faster. The bottom line is a 400 whp rx-7 will outrun a Z06 on a roll due to physics, period.

We don't care what "credit" you want to give or not. He's GOT A TIME SLIP. Everybody takes off their emissions, etc. Do you think people are running 128 traps with stock cars?

Did you notice the whp? 342. LOL

He said 120-130, it's irrelevant anyhow the guy in the Z06 lost three times.

No they are NOT. Just because two cars trap the same doesn't mean the accelerate the same. One may be faster out of the light, the other may be faster past 60.

1QWIK7

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And like I Said "I stand corrected". I also said it makes sense a 405rwhp fd would pull a 450rwhp z.

Don't know how many times I have to repeat it. Then again reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong point.

And AGAIN. I said it would make sense a 405rwhp fd would pull a 450rwhp z. I assumed he had around 350rwhp. And I said I stand corrected on the 350rwhp.

Christ you can't read.

No **** he got a slip. So I guess in order to run 11.1 @ 123 you have to take off emissions? No not "everyone" takes off emissions. Hence why I ask why you only posted 1 member LOL

Yeah I saw that. Point is? I already said I STAND CORRECTED.

The 128 10 sec slip. Uhh no.

I hear an echo. "IT WOULD MAKE SENSE A 405rwhp fd WOULD PULL A 450rwhp Z".

Can't say that enough.

But THIS WAS A ROLL.

I was using 1/4 and trap speed as a comparison of acceleration in a given space.

Holy ****. Please stick to building engines.

Fritz Flynn

iTrader: (263)

Well hello, yeah that's because the FD is the end all be all of sports car

Modded z06 with 500 plus rwhp VS modded single turbo t04e FD with 340 rwhp.


Seriously though I have much respect for the C6 and C5 and like you I love cars BUT the corvette just doesn't do it for me and it's no where near as fun to drive as the FD. Consider me the 1% who believes the FD is all that and more

Mr rx-7 tt

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Which has nothing to to do with the comment you made that I quoted. You stated every 350 whp fd will run's 10's and every z06 will run 10.7's. Quit trying to deflect.


Which again isn't the comment I quoted. You said "An outcome to a race soley doesnt rely on physics. Too many determining factors.".

I pointed out that is irrelevant and why, talk about reading comprehension.


Yes everyone does take off emissions to make 350 plus whp. You can't do it without taking them off. Again, you are arguing above your pay grade.

He has a time slip for the 10 second 128mph , so your "No", again doesn't matter.

Then why were you arguing they only raced up to 120? What are you smoking?


That's the point! Why are you using a race from a dead stop to compare?

No that's not what you said and that's not what I responded to. You said this:

"So if a 350rwhp FD and a stock Z can trap the same in the 1/4, it means their acceleration are identical, given a good driver."

I pointed out you were wrong. You can't even stick to the points you make.


You come here and argue a 350 twin turbo car can't run with a Z06, then you argue it can't trap 120 plus, then you argue it was because of the driver. You then get your *** handed to you on all accounts.

BTW: How are you going to buy a Z06 anyway, you can't even afford to buy a used power FC for crying out loud.

Holy **** is right.

1QWIK7

iTrader: (33)

I said every 350rwhp fd will run 10s? I thought I said every 350rwhp will trap over 120?

LOL


How is it irrelevant? When I just showed you a video of op's 431rwhp losing to a 480rwhp z. Lol

You even said it yourself.

"Horsepower curve, peaky single, slow spool"

These aren't determining factors? Lol wow

Did you not read the part about no power steering and ac as well? So people remove that as well?

Didn't think so lol

No ****. I never said he has no proof. Did you not read the quote?

"2560lbs and street ported motor". This is for the 10 sec 128 trap.

Let me guess this is a stock fd right? Didn't know they came that light from factory with a streetport.

Lol didn't think so.

Not too smart I see.

If a 350rwhp fd and a 450rwhp z can both trap 123ish. The race was up to 120. Acceleration say from 70-120 wouldn't be identical?

Wait let me guess. Don't say it lol.

Then I said for the millionth time. IT WOULD THEN MAKE SENSE A 405RWHP FD WOULD PULL A 450rwhp Z.




See above. I wasn't even wrong when I AGREED to it and said I stand corrected. Haha wtf.


People say with age comes wisdom. Not with you.

Not only are you not smart but you can't comprehend simple sentences.

I already said I stand corrected 1000 times.

I am buying a z06 with money. Because I have it.

I see you make adequate money too because we all know rotary engines do need that rebuilding haha. I do hope your engine rebuilding isn't as bad as how you debate. You're ******* horrible at it.

Like I said. Holy ****.

Mr rx-7 tt

iTrader: (5)

This is what I'm talking about, deflect and try and change the subject.


You are all over the map. You keep jumping all over the place, you can't even stick to one comment.


Which does nothing. The weight loss is miniscule. Your comment was based on 350 hp and you thought you could do it with emissions. Again trying to deflect.


You said:

"The 128 10 sec slip. Uhh no."

You can make 350 whp without a streetport Rocket Scientist. Secondly who said anything about stock? We said STOCK TURBOS.


Coming from you ? Now that is funny.

Quit lying.

You said this:

"So if a 350rwhp FD and a stock Z can trap the same in the 1/4, it means their acceleration are identical, given a good driver."

No you didn't you said both cars had identical acceleration. Do you know what identical means? Let me help you out here.

i·den·ti·cal

ADJECTIVE:

Being the same: another orator who used the senator's identical words.
Exactly equal and alike.
Having such a close similarity or resemblance as to be essentially equal or interchangeable.




Then why do yo keep arguing about it? If you agree why are you posting a Z06 and a 430 hp RX-7 racing and saying otherwise? Why are you saying then every 350 whp Rx-7 can trap 120's?

Is that why I asked you to send me your Power FC and I'd send you a tune and you said you couldn't even afford a used Power FC right now ? Look I understand people are tight on money but being a blowhard isn't helping your case here.

I build rotary engines as a HOBBY not a job. And you want to tell others they are stupid?

As far as being good at debating I'd say the above shows otherwise. But I guess in your mind you a are a master debater and I would agree with you there.

As John Wayne once said "You can't fix stupid".

1QWIK7

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Edit.

1QWIK7

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Where was the changed subject? I said every stock z can run 10.7 and every 350rwhp fd can trap over 120?

Where was the confusion?


Yeah i was commenting on 350hp til you showed me an example of a member WITHOUT AC AND POWER STEERING.

Then I said every member does that?

Yeah uhh no meaning I don't give credit. Please READ.

Weight reduction with a street port doesn't come from factory. I wasn't only talking about stock twins because I do remember jd. The white fd from jersey. I am from his area afterall

Never said you can't. I was commenting on your example of the member YOU showed me.

Wow and Im all over the place? Lol


Yeah I did say that. If they both cross the 1/4 in the same time at the same trap. How it gets there is IDENTICAL. If they to race from 70-120, the acceleration is identical.

What part didn't you get?



Again more stupidity. Where am I arguing.

I already said. Again. Again and again. It would make sense a 405rwhp fd would pull a 450rwhp z.

I then said I stand corrected about a 350rwhp fd.

Where am I saying no to that?

Hahahahahaha now I know your age is showing.

I have NEVER PM'ed about anything regarding parts or tunes or fd's.

You're confusing me with someone else. LOL WOW you look like a fool now. Can't believe you got me confused for someone else.

Hahahaha holy **** again..that was good man. Pfc lol


So you need to make money for your hobby cause real job isn't good enough?

Mr rx-7 tt

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Yes sarcastically.

Oh please, you stated 350 whp and emissions, not knowing you can't do it with them.


Uh we know you don't but we don't care. You can tell us the world is flat but we know otherwise. He's got the slip, it's FACT.

So what? Lots of things aren't stock when you make 350 whp.



No what part didn't you get, their acceleration IS NOT IDENTICAL. I'm arguing with a guy that doesn't even know what the word identical means.



No I'm not. You stated specifically you didn't have the money to buy a used PFC or any more speed parts for that matter.


You really want to go down that road?


BTW: What mods have you done to your FD, full list please.