Shinobi-X

The cars are close enough in stock performance, that it really comes down to the driver. I've also seen RX-7's pull NSX's...but what's the point?

Yes, but to remain unbiased, an NSX isn't going to smoke a 7 either. However, this one lost, as many have before it, and will after. That's the chance you take when you race under these conditions.

NSX1

The point is stock-to-stock, it is not EVEN a contest (Dang, I waved goodbye to that guy and his girlfriend in the black RX7 like 4 times on the freeway and from a stop.) That will NEVER, EVER happen again, because why should us NSX owners race with you RX7 guys? One is an exotic machine : handmade, titanium connecting rods, all aluminum, mid-engined, high rpm, $89,000, superior build quality and reliability. If you guys know anything about cars, go check out the 360 Modena Ferrari and how it is built (same like a NSX.)

Quite a few NSX owners have other exotics in their garages, but no RX7s - who would want such an unreliable, and low-quality car? Not me, I will stick to something that will last: NSX and MR2 for now, and hopefully picking up a Ferrari sometime down the line to add to the list.

theloudroom

LOL!

Just because you paid too much for your car doesn't make it a Ferrari. The NSX is underpowered, period. (For a $90k exotic).

This post really made me laugh. High RPM, no way the RX-7 has that!

Oh you have other cars, that makes you NSX somehow better?

Your NSX is nowhere close to a Ferrari. A 360 Moderna will completely outclass your NSX.

Your NSX is in the same performance class as an RX-7. Heck, in a straight line, you'll get beat by a stock camaro. Wow, what a car! Oh but you'd never race a camaro because it would be beneath you, right? It'd never have a chance?

Maybe you should have just bought an RX-7 and strapped $50,000 to the hood! That would be a lot more impressive. Then again all that weight would slow you down.

In case you didn't read this whole thread, an RX-7 took down an NSX WHILE TOWING A TRAILER!

Why shouldn't you race? Maybe you're afraid of loosing, and realizing you paid way too much for your car. A stock Corvette is faster than your wannabe-Ferrari.

The NSX is a nice car, but don't go getting it into your head that because you paid $90k for your car, nothing that cost less can touch you. I'd love to see the look on your face after getting beat by a buick grand national. No titanium there!

Stock vs. stock it will be a very close race. Don't let your head grow to the size of your wallet!

Ni5mo180SX

I disagree with the attitude given towards the NSX.

Its considered to be the Japanese super exotic which I believe still holds true and when it came out, it definetly stood up to that reputation as picking up the ball where Ferrari had dropped it.

Excellent chassis & suspension design further tuned by F1 driver Ayrton Senna before his untimely death and a nearly 13 year old engine which has still stood the test of time further highlights this.

Each has its pro's and con's and are great machines in their own right but I see this matter being aggitated by arrogance from the owners on both sides of the fence.

NSX1

Haha, I feel so bad about owning such a car. Go over to the NSXprime board and check out all the other sport cars that NSX owners owned (Ferraris, Porsches, Lotuses,... No RX7. Hell no!) Also, go over to Ferrarichat.com and see what they think about the NSX.

Ohh, yeah, i will gladly compare my $89,900 car to a 140,000 Ferrari (not dealer mark-up.) In fact, a friend of mine has a NSX and his brother has a yellow 360 Modena.

Yes, I bought the NSX because I know it can last me 200,000 miles. Even the guy at Symbolic Cars (Do you guys know what Symbolic is?) dealership reffered it to me when I was shopping for an EXOTIC.

Do you know that there are a few Ferrari owners that used their cars as a daily drivers? (They said the cars last better being driven.) These threads are alive on the Ferrari board right now.

Stock C5 Corvette (not ZO6) and stock Camaros being faster than I am. Think again! I love spending that much on a car and stay away from the rest of the crowd. I like the fact that I don't see a car like mine on the road when I am driving. I love setting myself apart.

You said the RX7 is better looking and turn better than my car. That's funny! Bring your (stock) car out to the track, any track if you are here in San Diego and I will show you what a NSX can do.

I was just wondering; what kind of car is Adam Sawurati driving again to get to the 8th sec? If you are so concern with drag racing, that is my proof of what you can do to an expensive car with money.

sst760

hey man i agree with you on some what most what u said, i used to own a NSX 97 6spd spa yellow and sold it cus yes it was very SLOW but again got heads turning but its not very cool when a stock Z28 keeps up with a 80,000 car. Yes i will miss the NSX but IMO the nsx is not worth the cash and power u get, its a nice crusier auto track car but for freewat and drag it has no chance, maybe for a used 91 nsx going for 27k today is worth the price but again i would not go near a FD either.

I live in San Diego and ill take u on that challenge, u pick from my cars what u want some of.

I also hear of a cocky slow NSX owner in SAN DIEGO that i hear of that talks alot of **** and claims his bone black stock NSX keeps up with Z06 LOL, i know of his name but will not say it here, so by the way u talk and bring yourself here on this board i bet its you.

TOODLES

Fumanchu

This is from Car and Driver...
"The last NSX we tested (July 1999) was an Alex Zanardi limited-edition model, which scaled in much lighter (2970 pounds versus 3153) than the curb weight Acura lists for the 2002 model. It sprinted to 60 mph in 4.8 seconds, covered the quarter-mile in 13.2 at 106 mph, stopped from 70 mph in 164 feet, and pulled 0.93 g on the skidpad."

The last time I checked, an RX7 will almost pull a G in cornering. Also, I owned a 5,000 dollar Civic that pulled higher than the NSX!!! To top it off, you probably have a 93 or 94 NSX, so improvments were made since then. So you car isn't even that good.


So take your handling argument somewhere else man. You just got proved wrong.

Speed argument- It would be close but I honestly think that the RX& would win. With the NSX being 400 more pounds and only 30 more horsepower, the RX7 would hunt the NSX down at the end of the 1/4 mile.

ianewk

NSX1,
You obviously have some issues. Do you feel it necessary to place value on a car because of the company it holds in OTHER owner's garages?

That is absolutely ridiculous.

I understand the point you're trying to make, but it's not valid. My car is great because another guy that owns one has a Lambo too. Do you realize how silly that is?

Here's the bottom line.

NSX:
Weight distro - 40/60
Weight - 3,153 lbs
0-60 - 4.8 seconds
stock 1/4 mile - 13.2

RX-7:
Weight distro 50/50
Weight - 2800 lbs
0-60 - 5.0
stock 1/4 mile - 13.7

Doesn't seem like you got your money's worth to me.

But then again, I think you might have bought it as a status symbol more than anything. Do you wear driving gloves? Be honest...you do don't you.

Fumanchu

It just shows you the fantasy world they live in huh?

Dont get me wrong, I like NSX's but numbers don't lie. They are just bought so a old white guy can look like he knows about the import community and be different.

theloudroom

Damn! You've got issues. I could have an EXOTIC [sic] lawnmower in my garge next to a McLaren F1, but sitting next to the McLaren doesn't make it any better, or not a lawnmover. Maybe you should talk about your car and not how much money its owner's have. Having money doesn't mean you have taste, and spending as much as a Ferrari costs on something else, does not make it a Ferrari.

As for the stock Camaro/'vette comparison, maybe you should look at the actual numbers before you make a bigger fool of yourself.

Maybe you like the reliability of your car. Neato! A $90,000 dollar reliable car, how sensible, sign me up (snicker). Sure, I'll agree that it's reliable, but you seem highly delusional about its other characteristics.

But hey, don't let any facts get in the way of your waving your money around to impress people.

I know, give me $20,000 and I'll tell you your car was the best ever made. Will that make you feel better? I'll act really impressed (then I'll go spend the money on something that outperforms your car in every respect).

As for your Ferrari comments, do you know what it costs to even have the spark plugs changed in a testarossa? $1200.
(A friend of mine use to work at a foreign auto garage, he had a porsche six speed in his jetta >100MPH )

sst760

OK to end this agreement

NSX=good looking, handles good but slow as hell and cost too much

FD=handles ok, looks like a wide body MIATA, cost less to buy but cost more to mantain from all the blown motors and mantaince and having it trying to run.

BOTH cars sucks THE END.

sst760

KA BOOOM

ianewk

NSX looks good, but an FD looks like a "widebody miata."

Mm-Hmm. Sure.

Damn slow-***, overpriced honda cheesewedges.

JONSKI

NSX1 =

Fumanchu

ROFL!!!

Ni5mo180SX

If you want this to be a battle of semantics, lets not go on because its pointless.

Exotic as in it was made in very low numbers worldwide compared to say, the FD. Exotic in that it was the first all aluminum chassis to be used in a production vehicle and its mid-mounted 3L V6 produced 270hp (was it) with a 8k rpm redline also was the first Honda to incorperate VTEC. The fact that it had a beautiful aluminum double wishbone suspension tuned by the pinnacle of F1 drivers 3 years before the FD was even sold.

Also, feel free to use some points in showing how Ferrari had not dropped the ball prior to the NSX's release rather then just disagreeing based on...............?

All in all, I dont really care to make any point after this. For some drivers, the numbers and technicalities matter far less then the actual driving experience. Most of you have made your stance in that matter quite clear.

Shinobi-X

How do you know that the RX-7 was running correctly in the first place? Secondly, you look at any performance numbers between the two cars (of any like years), and you will see that the NSX does not simply outclass the FD in ANY area of performance- again, they are even enough that the driver is what makes any real difference. For a car that cost that much though, to be comparable to a $40k sports car when new, says something IMO. It's long been regarded that the NSX is underpowered, and needs REAL changes to it's design, which has carried on for far too long. Honda has basically been indulging itself in a great car, but has done little since its debut, to really do something fresh with the NSX platform. The same goes with Mazda and the FD, so aside from the heavier price tag, not much sets these cars apart.

Well you shouldn't if you want to save face. As with this kill, the majority of FD RX-7's out there, are modded, and will simply lay waste to an NSX. Honestly, your cars were never anything to fear...now turbo Supras...those are more of our comeptition in the speed department, as their owners tend to mod their cars rather heavily as well.

It all sounds good, and the NSX is an excellent car by any standard. However, at the end of the day, it's a performance car, and in that category, the FD outdoes it performance per dollar (nothing surprising with a turbo sports car). Keep in mind, that Mazda wasn't aiming for the exotic category, which is why our interior consist of light plastic pieces- the gains have been obviously noted.

Well, for those who don't buy the car, simply to look good, rotary enthusiast would, and it's an awesome car by anyones (and mosts) standards. Unreliable? After 10 years of exsistence, I would expect the car not to perform like newer models of vehicles, but what exactly about the RX-7 makes it unreliable in stock form? or are you talking about modding, and attention to detail required?

Like I have also said before, if I'm driving around in an 80k sports car, it's not going to be daily driven. With that said, a large part of the NSX's strong points wouldn't apply to me. I would use it as a weekend car for nice cruises, and the occasional contest of speed. However, what happens when my nice 80k exotic sports car pulls next to a *cheap* Z06, or built (or even lightly modded) Supra/RX-7? Will it be able to move like that 80k price tag would suggest? Case in point, the NSX is an awesome car, but it's best attributes, work against it for my taste.

I'm not knocking the car, but how did an MR2 fall into the exotic list of cars, contained in your garage? Also, have you looked at the maintanence records of Ferraris?

DamonB

I don't come in here often and didn't realize this was news again I like NSX's, I never accused it of being or not being anything. I merely came upon one that seemed determined to show what it was capable of and I pulled on him; trailer in tow

FWIW my engine then and now is completely stock other than a downpipe, catback and a K&N air filter in the stock airbox. Maybe the NSX driver was an idiot, I dunno. I just know that guy couldn't keep up and he was definitely trying.

To rub some salt in the wound the NSX is only classified in A Stock for SCCA events; the FD is one class higher in Super Stock

sst760

I came from BOTH FD, and NSX heres my 2 cents BOTH SUCK.

MY fd has only 15k miles and it went KA BOOM new motor and more problems and another new motor, got a new Fd and that went KAAAAAA BOOOOOOOM too.

My 97 NSX got heads turning but slow as my CL type S and cost way to much $$$$$$ i had H22 hatch backs hit VTEC harder then the NSX, thank god i sold it and got a Z06 and had more $$$$$$ left over to get a supra.

TO END ALL AGRUMENTS:

FD=LONG version MIATA, blows up , motor problems and 10 pages of too many mantaince problems, thats why my FD went bye bye.

NSX=TOO MUCH for the $$$$$$$ and slow as hell, wanna be FERRARI, or its too cheap to buy a real FERRARI. COCKY owners who think its a ferrari.

so BOTH CARS LOOSE THE END and SUCK. but if i had to pick the NSX cus it dont blow up ever 10k miles, but i sell the NSX and get a real car.


THE END now both u guys stop your whinning and bitching before i just spank on all your cars

sst760

BTW if anyone lives in SAN DIEGO, i know who NSX1 is its a short studdering asian guy who had a slow bolt on RED NSX with black rims and got another one black 91 NSX and claims he races and beats everything.

NSX1 and most NSX owners whine and bring up the excuse on racing stock vs stock, race what u got and theirs no fair racing, race what u have and got, and if u are like NSX1 and claim u can beat everything cus u got a NSX then u get spanked on.

PLUS most NSX owners in SD dont like NSX1 , all them say he makes them all look bad just like on all forums he post about how the NSX is a GOD

DamonB

I'm no NSX expert but after doing a quick Google search the original auto NSX only had 265 hp at the crank and the manual 280 at the crank. If what I met was an auto of course he got his *** handed to him. If it was a manual it would have been close, which it was.

I pulled half a car at launch and we pretty much stayed side by side up through the gears. Shortly into third I was able to walk away from him, 3 car lengths at the most. But of course 3 car lengths was enough for him to se the hitch, a set of slicks and a toolbox go rolling by

FWIW I have never been beaten off the line, but I have been spanked unmercifully. Namely by a Diablo:

Raced a Lamborghini Diablo on the way home one day. We exchange glances at the stoplight, it goes yellow the other way, we pick up the revs...Light goes green and I beat him out of the hole and have half a car length on him. I can see his front bumper out of the corner of my eye and as I hit 8 grand I half dip the clutch and go for second. Soon as I go to the clutch all I hear is WAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! screaming into my left ear and see Lamborghini taillights blazing away; it was like I had just stopped. Man it sounded beautiful.

sst760

BATMAN your sources are right, but hes not a kid, hes a mid 20s male and his black 91 NSX was hit recently to claim insurance LOL

sst760

LMAO

matty

lol,,ahaha..you need to grow up!

Shinobi-X

You're the man batman.