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iTrader: (16)

heres a few rally videos for you BlkS5TII:
world record on Pikes Peak Hill Climb with a Peugeot in 1990 (still has the record)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oywkOzRugY

2006 Whangarei Rally, New Zealand ,Mainfreight Group B Mazda RX7 rally car: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCCQi4CrPeg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe2SlAvFudU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSqSSiINfvk
here with the same car, the guy entered a drag racing event for fun:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2ZSNodgV5w

heres one jsut for fun:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgfWvlmh_Y8











BTW just the fact of you comparing the Evo with RX7 in rally. its the proof that you are ignorant of what you are saying. because the 2 of them cannot compete in the same group.


Production Cars = Group N
Touring Cars = Group A

heres an article taken from the FIA rules book

14. Course Cars
....
14.2 Standard Cars.
Totally unmodified cars as offered for the general public may be used. Standard cars must be 2 wheel drive with normaly aspirated petrol or turbo diesel engine having a maximum cylinder capacity of 2000cc ... of less the 180hp. these cars can be fitted with an under body protection and carry on-board navigation system.

here go read a bit before comparing apples with oranges !!
http://www.fia.com/resources/documen..._WRC_reg_a.pdf

BlkS5TII

It's not a real argument because there's always something to be had for cheaper that can be built to compete with a NEW car. A miata can be built for much less than an FD and will probably win out in every category in the end. It might even be "better" than an Enzo with enough more money put into it. Does that mean the FD and Enzo are overrated? Certainly not.

A foxbody stang can be built to insane levels of straightline(and even handling to an extent) speed for less than $10k, so does that mean that everything that costs more than that total is overrated? Some rednecks think so.

A bone stock F-body can be had cheaper than an FD, so where do things stand there? An FC TII can be had for much cheaper than an FD, so where does that put the FD when the difference in price is accounted for with mods?

Like I said, taking an older modded car and comparing its total cost against the value of a NEW car is worthless. There's always going to be someone that paid less to be faster since it's all about what sacrifices you're willing to make.

Style is all opinion, so that argument is pointless.

Clearly you haven't visited many other forums, because there are more than a handful of people that jumped from an FD to an S2k or Evo. Most cite reliability or maintenance costs as issues for why they switched over. Everyone on those sites reads their horror stories with their FD's and go "Wow, am I glad that I didn't buy that!" I doubt you will find someone willing to trade four doors and AWD for an FD unless they are obsessed with how they look or perform when running. Don't forget that they probably know about the FD, and still opted to pay the "premium."




Sorry if I offended you with the rally comment. It IS like comparing apples and oranges no matter which way you compare the two cars, so anything I brought up wouldn't have been "correct." I know that they don't even compete in the same class, which is another point that could be made, but we've already established that the two cars are very different on so many levels.

I very much appreciate the rally history of the 2nd gen. I still have my S5 TII, and I live 15 minutes away from the base of Pikes Peak so don't think that I am ignorant for the sake of feeling better about one car over the other. Fact is that the Evo is hands down the better rally car, so please don't try to turn my dumb argument against me.

It's neat that that FB is faster than those other cars around a track, but note that I said Japanese track records. I don't particularly care for Nordic championships, which have nothing to do with track records. Also, why did you call the FB "crappy"? My first dedicated track car will probably be an FB. I don't think anywhere on here have I said that the RX7 isn't a capable sports car. I just don't appreciate when people go on about how inferior another car is, as I'm sure I must have come across when going on about the RX7. I get carried away sometimes in the defense of other vehicles. Remember that I truly love both cars for various reasons, which is why I opt to own both.

Heisenberg

iTrader: (3)

[QUOTE=BlkS5TII]It's not a real argument because there's always something to be had for cheaper that can be built to compete with a NEW car. A miata can be built for much less than an FD and will probably win out in every category in the end. It might even be "better" than an Enzo with enough more money put into it. Does that mean the FD and Enzo are overrated? Certainly not.

A foxbody stang can be built to insane levels of straightline(and even handling to an extent) speed for less than $10k, so does that mean that everything that costs more than that total is overrated? Some rednecks think so.

A bone stock F-body can be had cheaper than an FD, so where do things stand there? An FC TII can be had for much cheaper than an FD, so where does that put the FD when the difference in price is accounted for with mods?

Like I said, taking an older modded car and comparing its total cost against the value of a NEW car is worthless. There's always going to be someone that paid less to be faster since it's all about what sacrifices you're willing to make.

Style is all opinion, so that argument is pointless.

Clearly you haven't visited many other forums, because there are more than a handful of people that jumped from an FD to an S2k or Evo. Most cite reliability or maintenance costs as issues for why they switched over. Everyone on those sites reads their horror stories with their FD's and go "Wow, am I glad that I didn't buy that!" I doubt you will find someone willing to trade four doors and AWD for an FD unless they are obsessed with how they look or perform when running. Don't forget that they probably know about the FD, and still opted to pay the "premium."

I still beg to differ. If sombody wants to go out and buy a cheap *** car regardless of what it is and beat a new expensive sports car they have every right to brag about it. I dont car what kind of car it is. I'm not trying to knock the evo or any other car in general. All i know is i refuse to pay a high doller amount for a brand sports car like an evo when i can get the same level of performance if not higher out of a car like an FD for a much lower cost. Not to mention i get a kick out of seeing it happen

Sure style is all an opinion, and my opinion is the 3rd sen rx7 is more stylish than an evo. Im not trying argue it. You can keep your four doors and your rear seats. Even the evo was in the same price range as an FD i would still get the FD.

Of course people that dont know how or cant afford to work on turbo rotarys are going to jump ship. These cars are not for people with shallow pockets. Why do you think I chose the turbo rotary, for the challange. Have you checked the list of occupations list of people who own them. The majority are engineers and people with money who can afford expensive sports cars but choose not to. These cars have limited tolerance, but when done right give tremendous results.

BlkS5TII

There are a lot of people that get a kick out of seeing a more expensive car get beat, but all too often it's stock car v. modded. I will admit that I got a kick out of beating a 350Z with my TII and all I had was a dp @ 11psi. It helped that I overheard him tell his hot *** girlfriend that he'll "win for sure."

If FD's were as bulletproof as an Evo I would have one for sure, and I might even have paid $30k for one despite its age. But even at $15k I can't get over how much money and time(I do my own work) I'd have to keep throwing at it just to enjoy it. The only things the Evo have costed me are your basic maintenance/gas and a clutch, but the clutch was done under warrantee so I shouldn't even count that. Meanwhile I've been spending countless hours and cash on keeping my FC running. If it was my only car I would be completely screwed, and if I had paid $15k it would be well on its way to costing as much as a used Evo VIII.

Heisenberg

iTrader: (3)

I understand that. I know FD's are not that reliable and so does the vast majority of car enthusiast. If they were im sure there would have been a larger demand for them in the later years. When i purchased mine i realised i was not getting a daily driver. This car is my hobby and I work on it so i can come on here and brag just like the poster of this thread should be able to.

It goes both ways. I do go on other forums and im sure had the evo won he would be bragging about it on the same level in their kills section. Its all a part of the game. All im saying is let the man have his bragging rights becaus he has earned them. If he wants to make the claim his 20 year old car beat a new one he can, because it has.

gus5891

thats kinda funny how you beat them......i could put my life says you couldnt beat me in my evo 8....all its got right now is cams...exhaust....and a manual boost controller pushin it at 22lbs of boost.....id give you a grand if you could even KEEP up with me!

u lost to a triangle

nespeed....bump for the great car and video...tasteful exterior and paint. and way to put the halo theme music. show em who the master chief is